The Doctrinal Belief of a Pre-Tribulation Resurrection. Is not spoken of in the Word of God. It was created by a sick and deranged woman

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Then I say to you what do you rely upon other than your own cognition?
I told you I rely on the Holy Spirit of God to be my teacher and guide. "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth." (John 16:13)

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." (1John2:27)
 
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Oh really? You are going to call me a fool? You just revealed that you have NOT read your Bible. You are out here preaching and teaching something that you have not read or studied. "But whoever says, “You fool!” shall be in danger of hell fire" (Matthew 5:21-22). You people always give yourself away. You just told me that you are: "completely
lost in the dark!" Those are your own words.
That's correct. I don't read the bible the church does that form me. I have an original Baltimore Catechism. If Jesus wanted man to simply read the bible for themselves there would be no need for Him to appoint the Bishops along with His church. His Bishops are the twelve apostles.
 
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I told you I rely on the Holy Spirit of God to be my teacher and guide. "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth." (John 16:13)

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." (1John2:27)
Sir do you use fluoride toothpaste? This is not a joke. I am in earnest.
 

Jackson123

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No Pre-tribbers don't believe in a third coming they believe that the resurrction/rapture will take place before 7 years of tribulation, Next the so called 7 years of tribulation will take place and at the end of the 7 years the 1000 years of the reign of Christ will begin. When would a third coming take place if Christ is here on earth to reign for 1000 years? IF there is a third "rapture" that would mean that there will be two times when Christ would raise us from the grave.You should do a little research on the Pre-Trib beliefs.
There is a second resurrection but that takes place after the 1000 year reign but there is no second coming of Christ. Only one time does Christ appear in the clouds/glory of God and only once are the dead in Christ raised from the grave because after that there will be no one in any graves who will have died in Christ between the time of the death of Christ and the resurrection of the dead after He raises us from our graves the one time those who have died in Christ are raised. Scripture never mentions what happens to the Old Testament saints and we know by the story of how Samuel was conjured UP/called up from the grave by the witch of Endor at the request of King Saul that Samuel was angry that he was disturbed. So it is my opinion that the saints of the Old Testament are who will be among those resurrected up at the great white throne judgement because the not only is that Lambs book of Life opened but also many other books are opened at the great white throne judgement.
I know, Pre trib never teach third coming, I was in the church that teach Pre trib.

But they teach 1000 years kingdom when Jesus come to mont Olive is after tribulation so If they honest this is the order


Rapture and second coming> 7 years tribulation > third coming when Jesus come to the month Sion to reign for 1000 years.
 

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Exactly, I only believed the pre-trib position because from the time I was saved at quite a young age I was told what those few verses must mean. Also It's easy to believe because who doesn't want a quick, easy way out of trouble? The flesh doesn't want things to be difficult.
Hello Lucy!

By your saying "who doesn't want a quick, easy way out of trouble," this is exactly one of the main problems for misinterpreting the timing of the gathering of the church. Jesus said that as believers, we would have trials and tribulations, which comes at the hands of mankind and the powers of darkness. These trials and tribulations is not the wrath of God. Prior to and leading up to the Lord's return to the earth, the direct and an unprecedented time of wrath will come upon the earth and this directly from God. It is the latter that believers are not appointed to suffer. Therefore, it is very important to differentiate between common trials and tribulation vs. God's coming wrath which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

The underlying principle to this, is that Christ already suffered God's wrath on behalf of every believer, reconciling us to God. Therefore, God's wrath no longer rests upon the believer, which means that believers will not and cannot be on the earth to experience that time of God's wrath, which will affect the entire world. Because Jesus has already satisfied God's wrath, it is God who has provided "a quick, easy way out of trouble," said trouble being the wrath of God. Everything that God does is a legal process. And therefore, since God's wrath for sin has already been satisfied by the Lord Jesus, then God's wrath no longer rests upon the believer, other wise God's wrath would be poured out twice, once upon Jesus and again on the believer.

Going through trials and tribulations because of our testimony of Jesus and the word of God, is honorable and glorifying to God. However, those who will be left on the earth during the time of God's wrath, will be here for the purpose of being punished, because they did not believe in Christ and will have been willfully living according to the sinful nature at the time the church is gathered. It is not honorable to go through God's wrath, but is deserved. As I pointed out, common trials and tribulations are the not the same as the coming wrath of God.

pre-trib position hangs on very few verses and even those have to be twisted to make them fit the extra-biblical narrative. The theory doesn't stand up to independent and honest Bible Study. It's the resurrection and the return of Jesus. "Rapture" is simply the resurrection for those who are alive when he returns.

I have been studying the word of God and specifically end-time events for over 45 years. My concern has always been to know the truth on every Biblical subject and not to just adopt someone else's teaching. The belief that Jesus will gather His church at the same time that He returns to the earth, is just another error with interpreting the timing of the gathering of the church. This erroneous interpretation comes from not recognizing that the gathering of the church and the Lord's return to the earth, are two separate events, with different purposes. Those who hold to this also ignore the fact that Revelation 19:6-8 reveals the church/bride as being in heaven attending the wedding of the Lamb during the tribulation period, receiving her fine linen, white clean. Then in verse 14, scripture states that the bride will follow Christ out of heaven to the earth riding on white horses to oppose the beast, the kings of the earth and all of their armies. Believers (the bride of Christ) returning with Him to the earth is also revealed in the following:

"They (the beast and ten kings) will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”

The "called, chosen and faithful followers" will be those who were previously resurrected and the living who will have been changed and caught up. The bottom line is that, since believers, the bride of Christ, are shown to already be in heaven at the wedding feast and then will be following Christ out of heaven, how then can His bride be caught up as the Lord is returning to the earth? To be clearer, in order to be to follow Christ out of heaven, we would already have to be in heaven.
 
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Yes 3rd coming is certainly avoidable.
Just cut out rev 14.
....then believe there is no Jesus in the sky gathering
Until the end of the gt.
Ain't no 3rd coming.
Just the second one to rescue the remnant Christians before all would be annihilated.
 
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So if you attend a Methodist worship then you are in the body of John Wesley.
Episcopal then you are in the body of uhmmm. the one calling herself queen elizabeth and her husband phillip.

Jesus stated and in no uncertain terms " nobody comes to the Father except by Me." That means you need be within His
body. But there's a problem...you can't now. It's done!

Presently hear on earth meaning this world is almost similar to being in hell; where you are completely cut off from God's divine intervention.

There's one solution. Pray the rosary with your Heart on fire for God.
WHAT! Pray popey's rosary! Pagan nonsense! All Catholics are doomed to slaughter when Jesus returns! Rosary has Catholics praying to the dead Mary who is in her grave and whose thoughts have perished!
Burn your rosary and Catholic literature and Bible and go find somewhere to learn about being a real Christian!
 
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Oh hear vain and foolish man what you may believe to be the Holy Spirit is that of Satan. I know because you are completely
lost in the dark!
Hey Catholic follower of Satan. You say someone who was once a follower of a non-Catholic church is lost?
Have you never heard of Saul the murdered becoming the greatest apostle?
 

Jackson123

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Yes 3rd coming is certainly avoidable.
Just cut out rev 14.
....then believe there is no Jesus in the sky gathering
Until the end of the gt.
I don't understand what you try to say.

1.Do you believe second coming after gt or before?

2. Do you believe rapture in the second coming or

A. Rapture before second coming
B. Rapture after second coming.
 
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a TV Christian=channel???
"home-work'...

repture = look it up, do some research here, HELLO!!!
 

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"However, if you want to research the source of modern day "tongues", you will find them with this crazy young woman who started it all"
That's like telling someone check with my bogus sources and see you did not get saved when you became born again. The sinners prayer is a modern version of xyz as my research will prove"

Uh,no it DOES NOT work that way.
Nobody in the bible rejected tongues and the B.I.T.H.S. on the supposition of your methods.
What DID happen was a WORK OF HEAVEN OR WORK OF THE SPIRIT.
Paul had enough sense to let them lay hands on him without doctrinal hoops for them to jump through.

When God visits me I know it is him. I know my savior. Jesus said "another they will not follow"
Anyone becoming born again praying for Jesus to come in is not fooled into joining satan instead .
Nobody says "now pray this prayer with me but you may end up being a satanist because satan can come to you instead."

And yet you theorize that Jesus was mistaken that those asking for the Holy Spirit CANNOT receive a false spirit .

So the BIBLICAL pattern (opposite of yours) is that the Spirit comes FIRST then CONFIRMED by the word.
IOW, My experience is indeed CONFIRMED by the bible.

Thank you Jesus that man can not disenfranchise your gifts,your goodness,and the awesome confirmation that it is you and not satan giving us power.
I have no clue what you are talking about.

It's just incoherent rambling to me.

So I can't answer you.

My point is this..the modern phenomena of "tongues" was initially experienced by a young woman who displayed signs of strangeness prior to her claims.

Additionally, the first occurrence of the gift of languages was in Acts 2, and it involved actual languages, not gibberish. Nor is it reasonable to claim that there are some Christians who are inferior, because they don't speak in tongues, and others which are superior, because they speak in tongues. This idea of a prayer language that one possesses and another does not is not reasonable.

It is part of the consistent charismatic claim that they are some kind of "super charged Christian" while others are not. Sometimes it is expressed as "I am spirit-filled" where as others are not. And, the charismatic culture is filled with such claims. "I'm an apostle" "I'm a prophet"...etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
 
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Sir do you use fluoride toothpaste? This is not a joke. I am in earnest.
It is a little late for fluoride, I only have 2 1/2 teeth left. I use to smoke and that caused me to lose my teeth.
 

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The churches that teach it is the pastor's job to equip the saint for ministry are the churches that are the quickest to put gag orders on people that they feel depart from their prescribed doctrine and beliefs. They want you to repeat their teaching verbatim. Then they claim they do this because they do not want people to misrepresent the church and what the church believes.
There needs to be some parameters. Obviously you can't have anti-Trinitarians, those that deny the deity of Christ, penal substitutionary atonement, virgin birth, inspiration of Scripture, etcetera, etcetera, to represent the Church.

However, when I was talking about equipping the membership, I'm talking about every aspect of service including sound and video, etcetera.
 
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I don't read the bible the church does that form me.
Are the going to be there on judgement day to represent you when you go before God for judgement?
 

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Paul babbled incoherantly.

According to the bible
I don't think he did.

If he spoke in languages, then it had some purpose and coherency.

At least to someone.

By the way, I'm sick of the word "tongues". It is more biblical to use the word "language" or even "dialects".

If you look at the Greek word, and consider the context, these words should be used in modern English.

It is really ignorant to use the word "tongues". Unfortunately due to charismatics and Pentecostals, Bible translators continue to use it. But, they really should switch to using "languages" or "dialects".

The only exception would be in Acts 2 where it discusses tongues of fire. I will agree it is appropriate in that case because it was a visual representation of the languages and the speaking which would occur.

However, we won't sell that idea to the Pentecostal/charismatic crowd.
 

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Yeah we can all see the rich man,lazareth,and abraham all lost consciousness upon death.
This is hilarious.

I used to believe in soul sleep as a member of the Sabbathkeeping cult.

Funny thing is, Ellen G. White claimed the dead were not conscious, but she had a dream where she talked to her father in a horse drawn buggy after he was dead. Her view was that it was a real communication with him after he died.

Another funny thing about it...John Calvin wrote an article about soul sleep refuting it at age 26. Back then, names of articles were very long...here's what he called it (he didn't mince words):

PSYCHOPANNYCHIA
OR,
A REFUTATION OF THE ERROR ENTERTAINED
BY SOME UNSKILFUL PERONS,
WHO IGNORANTLY IMAGINE THAT
IN THE INTERVAL BETWEEN DEATH AND THE JUDGMENT
THE SOUL SLEEPS.
TOGETHER WITH AN EXPLANATION
OF THE CONDITION AND LIFE OF THE SOUL AFTER THIS PRESENT LIFE.

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/calvin_psychopannychia.html
 

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We agree Jesus comes after the gt.
There are no postrib RAPTURE verses.
The reason you have an unplausable theory ,or one reason among many,is rev 14's gathering.
Ask yourself WHY the postrib proponents IGNORE our verses.
We OWN those verses.
All you have is postrib ARRIVAL of Jesus....nothing with the rapture involved.
Look you can't have it both ways.
You can't say that the setting in the rapture is BOTH peacetime and destroyed planet.
You can't say the scripture is right that ALL TAKE THE MARK but no not really.
You can't say Noah was left on earth,but then after the flood he was taken away(postrib rapture's strange belief.)
You can't say the one taken,one left is evil taken,and not reconcile it is Before the flood.
And if rev 14 is correct,then your problem hits exponents times exponents because you now have the LIVING PRECEDING THE DEAD,,, but hey maybe 1 thes 4 is incorrect also.

I am just getting started as to why the postrib rapture is COMPLETELY debunked.
So you agree jesus come after gt
But you believe rapture before gt

So

Rapture > great tribulation > second coming

Where the verse that say rapture 7 years before second coming.
 
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The story of the development of pre-tribulationism as we know it today is a tangled one. From its inception in the early 1800s, there has been a deliberate attempt to cover up its origins. This has been perpetrated along two lines of ‘revisionism.’ One was to hide the real origin of pre-tribulationism in 19th century Scotland, and attribute it to John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren. The other has been a recent attempt to selectively quote and misrepresent ancient Christian documents to make it appear early Christians were pre-trib. The purpose of this article is to document a timeline of the major events in the development of this relatively new prophetic viewpoint. Sometime in June of 1830 and out of the spectacle of alleged latter-day Holy Spirit outpouring in Scotland and England, the first documented evidence of a pre-tribulation rapture articulated in the form of a letter written by Margaret MacDonald, sister of James and George MacDonald of Port Glasgow. In March or April of 1830, after being ill and bed-ridden for about 18 months, Margaret claimed to have seen a series of visions of the coming of the Lord. She wrote down these visions and sent a copy to Edward Irving who pastored a Church of Scotland (Presbyterian) congregation in London. A month later Irving claimed in a private letter that Margaret’s visions had a huge impact on him. The outstanding feature of Margaret’s visions was an outpouring of the Holy Spirit on an elite group within the Church, combined with a secret rapture before the revealing of the Antichrist. She saw only these “Spirit filled” Christians “taken” to be with the Lord, while the rest of the Church without this experience would be left to be purged in the tribulation.
Here is the letter Margaret MacDonald wrote to Edward Irving.
“It was first the awful state of the land that was pressed upon me. I saw the blindness and infatuation of the people to be very great. I felt the cry of Liberty just to be the hiss of the serpent, to drown them in perdition. It was just `no God.’ I repeated the words, Now there is distress of nations, with perplexity, the seas and the waves roaring, men’s hearts failing them for fear - now look out for the sign of the Son of man. Here I was made to stop and cry out. 0 it is not known what the sign of the Son of man
is; the people of God think they are waiting, but they know not what it is. I felt this needed to be revealed, and that there was great darkness and error about it; but suddenly what it was burst upon me with a glorious light I saw it was just the Lord himself descending from Heaven with a shout, just the glorified man. even Jesus; but that all must, as Stephen was, be filled with the Holy Ghost, that they might look up, and see the brightness of the Father’s glory. I saw the error to be, that men think that it will be something seen by the natural eye; but ’tis spiritual discernment that is needed, the eye of God in his people. Many passages were revealed, in a light in which I had not before seen them. I repeated, "Now is the kingdom of Heaven like unto ten virgins, who went forth to meet the Bridegroom, five wise and five foolish; they that were foolish took their lamps, but took no oil with them; but they that were wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.’ “But be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is; and be not drunk with wine wherein is excess, but be filled with the Spirit.” This was the oil the wise virgins took in their vessels - this is the light to be kept burning - the light of God - that we may discern that which cometh not with observation to the natural eye. Only those who have the light of God within them will see the sign of his appearance. No need to follow them who say, see here, or see there, for his day shall be as the lightning to those in whom the living Christ is. ’Tis Christ in us that will lift us up - he is the light - ‘tis only those that are alive in him that will be caught up to meet him in the air. I saw that we must be in the Spirit, that we might see spiritual things. John was in the Spirit, when he saw a throne set in Heaven. - But I saw that the glory of the ministration of the Spirit had not been known. I repeated frequently, but the spiritual temple must and shall be reared, and the fullness of Christ be poured into his body, and then shall we be caught up to meet him. Oh none will be counted worthy of this calling but his body, which is the church, and which must be a candlestick all of gold. I often said, Oh the glorious in breaking of God which is now about to burst on this earth; Oh the glorious temple which is now about to be reared, the bride adorned for her husband; and Oh what a holy, holy bride she must be, to be prepared for such a glorious bridegroom. I said, Now shall the people of God have to do with realities - now shall the glorious mystery of God in our nature be known - now shall it be known what it is for man to be glorified. I felt that the revelation of Jesus Christ had yet to be opened up - it is not knowledge about God that it contains, but it is an entering into God - I saw that there was a glorious breaking in of God to be. I felt as Elijah surrounded with chariots of fire. I saw as it were, the spiritual temple reared, and the Head Stone brought forth with shoutings of grace, grace, unto it. It was a glorious light above the brightness of the sun, that shone round about me. I felt that those who were filled with the spirit could see spiritual things, and feel walking in the midst of them, while those who had not the Spirit could see nothing - so that two shall be in one bed, the one taken and the other left, because the one has the light of God within while the other cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven. I saw the people of God in an awfully dangerous situation, surrounded by nets and entanglements, about to be tried, and many about to be deceived and fall. Now will THE WICKED be revealed, with all power and signs and lying wonders, so that if it were possible the very elect will be deceived. - This is the fiery trial which is to try us. - It will be for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus; but Oh it will be a fiery trial. Every soul will be shaken to the very centre. The enemy will try to shake in everything we have believed - But the trial of real faith will be found to honor and praise and glory. Nothing but what is of God will stand. The stony-ground hearers will be made manifest - the love of many will wax cold I frequently said that night, and often since, now shall the awful sight of a false Christ be seen on this earth, and nothing but the living Christ in us can detect this awful attempt of the enemy to deceive - or it is with all deceivableness of unrighteousness he will work - he will have a counterpart for every part of
God’s truth and an imitation for every work of the Spirit. The Spirit must and will be poured out on the church, that she may be purified and filled with God - and just in proportion as the Spirit of God works, so will he when our Lord anoints men with power, so will he. This is particularly the nature of the trial, through which those are to pass who will be counted
worthy to stand before the Son of man. There will be outward trial too, but `tis principally temptation. It is brought on by the outpouring of the Spirit, and will just increase in proportion as the Spirit is poured out. The trial of the Church is from Antichrist. It is by being filled with the Spirit that we shall be kept. I frequently said, Oh be filled with the Spirit - have the light of God in you, that you may detect Satan - be full of eyes within - be clay in the hands of the potter - submit to be filled, filled with God This will build the temple. It is not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit saith the Lord. This will fit us to enter into the marriage supper of the lamb. I saw It to be the will of God that all should be filled. But what hindered the real life of God from being received by his people was their turning from Jesus who is the way to the Father. They were not entering in by the door. For he is faithful who hath said, by me if any man enter in he shall find pasture. They were passing the cross, through which every drop of the Spirit of God flows to us. All power that comes not through the blood of Christ is not of God. When I say, they are looking from the cross, I feel that there is much in it - they turn from the blood of the Lamb, by which we overcome, and in which our robes are washed and made white. There are low views of God’s holiness, and ceasing to condemn sin in the flesh, and a looking from him who humbled himself, and made himself of no reputation. Oh! it is needed, much needed at present, a leading back to the cross, I saw that night,
and often since, that there will be an outpouring of the Spirit on the body, such as has not been, a baptism of fire, that all the dross may be put away. Oh there must and will be such an indwelling of the living God as has not been - the servants of God sealed in their foreheads - great conformity to Jesus - his holy image seen in his people just the bride made comely, by his comeliness put upon her. This is what we are at present made to pray much for, that speedily we may all be made ready to meet our Lord in the air - and it will be. Jesus wants his bride. His desire is toward us. He that shall come, will come, and will not tarry. Amen and Amen. Even so come Lord Jesus.”
That's a very cute dog in your picture.
All these pages of back and forth when as I recall Jesus said no one knows when any of this is going to happen. Only God knows what his plans are in this regard. My idea, why not just live your life and wait to be surprised?
 

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Pretrib rapture originated with Jesus.

Blame it on him.

Read mat 24 and 25.
"Before the flood..."
Show us any catching away after the flood.
In fact go ahead and look at rev 14.
Ripe fruit HARVESTED DURING THE TRIB. Most likely Jews since the firstfruits immediately precede them .

The vision by McDonald aligns perfectly.
Ok so I did take a look at Rev. 14 and found that the whole verse is talking about the Wrath of God which means the Punishment of God.
Rev 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
The wrath of God is only me"Ungodly and the Unrighteous" not the saved.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Col 3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

The wrath of God is he children of "DISOBEDIENCE" NOT THE SAVED.
Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the wine press, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
Man you really do need to do better research. Do you know what a wine press is? Ok I will tell you. Whe grapes are harvested they are thrown into a wine press where they are stomped on and crushed until they are pulverised in to grape juice.
All of the Rev 14 is about the battle of Armaggedon and the valley of Armageddon is a bowl shaped valley where the blood of those killed during the battle/wrath of God will raise up to the level of the horses bridle.
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Those who have recieved salvation are not going to suffer the Wrath of God spoken of in Rev. 14
There is not one single word about any kind of tribulation or any kind of resurrection in the entire chapter. Why???? because the Wrath of God and the Tribulation are two different events and take place at two different times.
Get your facts straight Mr. Absolutely and get yourself some better research habits because it makes you look foolish when you are wrong.
 

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That's a very cute dog in your picture.
All these pages of back and forth when as I recall Jesus said no one knows when any of this is going to happen. Only God knows what his plans are in this regard. My idea, why not just live your life and wait to be surprised?
Good advise. It is my God job to fight against false doctrinal beliefs and besides posting here is fun and I just love a good argument (in good taste of course) about biblical doctrine.
Here is the way I see it. If you believe that you are not going to be here on earth to suffer a period of Great Tribulatio and you suddenly find yourself in the middle of tribulation and the resurrection hasn't taken place yet. How many folks do you think will believe they were lied to or get angry at God because the believed that they were going to escape the tribulation? There will be a negative impact on millions of believers. Hence the great falling away.
On the other hand if folks think they are going to go through a period of great tribulation and prepare themselves to endure to the end but are "raptured" out of here before a period of great tribulation there is nothing to loose by being prepared mentally and spiritually for a great tribulation. No negative impact at all.
The for the compliment on Cookie. I got her when my mother past away. Unfortunately she was mean as a snake until the day she died.