Technological Signs relating to Christ’s Coming are being fulfilled.
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The Lord is nigh to them that are of a broken and contrite spirit and resists the proud.
It's not difficult to know when someone is spending time in the Lord's presence. It is not revealed in what they know, but how they convey it. God desires mercy and not sacrifice.
I've taken the time to share not to injure but to help. Everything I have shared is scriptural. The wise man receives instruction and is wiser still.
It's not difficult to know when someone is spending time in the Lord's presence. It is not revealed in what they know, but how they convey it. God desires mercy and not sacrifice.
I've taken the time to share not to injure but to help. Everything I have shared is scriptural. The wise man receives instruction and is wiser still.
I suggest you get off your high horse and assist this thread in exposing preterism as a heresy.
Anything less is a waste of time. And we don't need anymore self-appointed referees on CC. This place is loaded with them.
As for me, I will take my winnings and my crown and move on to the next challenge thank you very much.
Anything less is a waste of time. And we don't need anymore self-appointed referees on CC. This place is loaded with them.
As for me, I will take my winnings and my crown and move on to the next challenge thank you very much.
The sad thing is that you don't see how high you sit in the saddle of your spiritual horse. But I'll make one last stab at showing it to you.
If you can let this conversation end here without having to post the last word, I will post on this thread tomorrow that you indeed are correct in all your ways. But, if you have to respond, regardless of how necessary it appears to you, all I have said is probably true. I personally don't think you can help yourself and will have to have the last word.
If you can let this conversation end here without having to post the last word, I will post on this thread tomorrow that you indeed are correct in all your ways. But, if you have to respond, regardless of how necessary it appears to you, all I have said is probably true. I personally don't think you can help yourself and will have to have the last word.
As I said earlier......more referees we do not need, we need defenders of Biblical doctrine.
And just to let you know, I am correct as far as what I have posted regarding the future redemption of Israel and refutation of preterism and amillenniallism. The replies of the detractors have proved hopelessly impotent.
So I really do not need affirmation from you or anybody else.
As for your generous offer......I ask you: since when are you the boss of me?
I started this thread after all. Right? It would only be fitting for me to finish it.
And just to let you know, I am correct as far as what I have posted regarding the future redemption of Israel and refutation of preterism and amillenniallism. The replies of the detractors have proved hopelessly impotent.
So I really do not need affirmation from you or anybody else.
As for your generous offer......I ask you: since when are you the boss of me?
I started this thread after all. Right? It would only be fitting for me to finish it.
The Scriptures I gave were because several see the words soon,at hand,near ect. to mean what an man might see but looking at those Scriptures it would be easy to access that if they were written between 800 bce and 500bce and Jesus wasn't born until around the 1st century ad and the siege of Jerusalem took place in ad70 soon, near, at hand the way God gave it to those Prophets would be approaching a thousand years in it's self.
As towards the usage of soon,near ect. in the Revelation referring to a short time span as an man would see it or if it means a time span similar to the length of time of when those Old Testament Prophets received them and AD70 it would depend on when and how they were fulfilled(or not). I am quite patient though and if you see them as already being fulfilled at some time in the past I am all ears if you can explain to me their fulfillment's.
I'm not sure if you have ever read the historical writings of Josephus but if not here is a portion I have been working with for several years now and have ask a multitude of preterits about who they were taught to have received the mark in Revelation 13 or who they were taught were those who were killed because they refused to worship that image. http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html
Here is the issue though in that in Wars 2 Josephus gives the historical accounts stretching from Herod to Nero and Vespasion over about 69 years prior to the siege of Jerusalem. Now in Revelation 13 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/13.htm (if this is fulfilled) then someone would have received the beast mark to buy and sell with and someone would have worshiped the image of the beast. Now here is the problem though in that all across those 69 years those Jews did not worship Romes images(see wars 2) in fact instead of seeing the Caesars of Rome as Gods(pious) they were impious instead. In the issue of buying and selling with the beast money the Jews refused to do so and minted their own https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish_Revolt_coinage and so they did not use Romes(the beast?) money. Anyway the issue remains in that in preterism all these things they say are already fulfilled by someone but it doesn't look as if it was by the Jews across those 69 years leading up to the destruction of the Temple. Anyway if you or any other preterist has another option as to who did fulfill these things I will listen.
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The bible surely is confusing for those who fail to take it to heart but rather they would use intellectual knowledge as though they were in high school or college or university.
Unfortunately the academic approach does not work. I really should not be using the word "unfortunately" because nothing is unfortunate in God's realm. God does things perfectly and thus anything outside of his ordained purpose will always fail or fall short and it is so, by design for it is God's perfect will and purpose to keep the disobedient out of his kingdom.
To fail to take God seriously by adopting our own methodologies, we will end up failing for with God there is only one way, but of course there are a trillion other ways that tickles our fancy that do not measure up to God's standard.
Unfortunately the academic approach does not work. I really should not be using the word "unfortunately" because nothing is unfortunate in God's realm. God does things perfectly and thus anything outside of his ordained purpose will always fail or fall short and it is so, by design for it is God's perfect will and purpose to keep the disobedient out of his kingdom.
To fail to take God seriously by adopting our own methodologies, we will end up failing for with God there is only one way, but of course there are a trillion other ways that tickles our fancy that do not measure up to God's standard.
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The way people see the events of ad70 are as baffling to me as the near,soon statements they make. It often makes me wonder how or why they would see the Jews of that time-frame as worshiping the Caesars of Rome and it's image when they instead revolted against Rome(1st,2nd,3rd revolt)... That's a great feat I think in that somebody at sometime convinced some that the very people who revolted in the 1st Jewish revolt(1.1 million died?) somehow means that "revolt instead of meaning revolt meant they worshiped" Caesar and his images? I don't get that,,,revolt,worship image,,,,revolt,,,worship image sounds to me more like two direct opposites...
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self appointed judge great score gave yourself a 10
.. You have yet to give a scriptural definition to simple words like soon this or the phrase at hand
Could be you need some help...
Do we agree Scripture defines Scripture?
KJV
There are 65 matches to the word soon.
Jos_8:19 And the ambush arose quickly out of their place, and they ran as soon as he had stretched out his hand: and they entered into the city, and took it, and hasted and set the city on fire.
2Sa_13:36 And it came to pass, as soon as he had made an end of speaking, that, behold, the king's sons came, and lifted up their voice and wept: and the king also and all his servants wept very sore.
Joh_18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Mar_1:42 And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed.
At hand
There are 32 matches to the phrase at hand
Mat_26:46 Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.
1Sa_9:8 And the servant answered Saul again, and said, Behold, I have here at hand the fourth part of a shekel of silver: that will I give to the man of God, to tell us our way.
Jer_23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Gen_27:41 And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob.
Mat_10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_26:18 And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.
2786 Bible matches to the word 'this'
went to the NT narrowed it down to 817 here is a small sampling
Mat_3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Mat_8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
Mat_9:28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
Mat_13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Small words can have a huge meaning. Just think if your wife asks does this outfit make me look chubby how small of a word are you going to use to answer?
.. You have yet to give a scriptural definition to simple words like soon this or the phrase at hand
Could be you need some help...
Do we agree Scripture defines Scripture?
KJV
There are 65 matches to the word soon.
Jos_8:19 And the ambush arose quickly out of their place, and they ran as soon as he had stretched out his hand: and they entered into the city, and took it, and hasted and set the city on fire.
2Sa_13:36 And it came to pass, as soon as he had made an end of speaking, that, behold, the king's sons came, and lifted up their voice and wept: and the king also and all his servants wept very sore.
Joh_18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Mar_1:42 And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed.
At hand
There are 32 matches to the phrase at hand
Mat_26:46 Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.
1Sa_9:8 And the servant answered Saul again, and said, Behold, I have here at hand the fourth part of a shekel of silver: that will I give to the man of God, to tell us our way.
Jer_23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Gen_27:41 And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob.
Mat_10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat_26:18 And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.
2786 Bible matches to the word 'this'
went to the NT narrowed it down to 817 here is a small sampling
Mat_3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
Mat_8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
Mat_9:28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
Mat_13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
Small words can have a huge meaning. Just think if your wife asks does this outfit make me look chubby how small of a word are you going to use to answer?
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And more to your point, the final Bar Kokhba revolt occurred in about 136AD. The nation Israel was still intact and in the land even then, despite having no Temple.
The preterists declaring a total terminus of the Jews at 70AD is just wrong. In fact the paroxysmal destruction of the nation was a long drawn out affair.
The preterists declaring a total terminus of the Jews at 70AD is just wrong. In fact the paroxysmal destruction of the nation was a long drawn out affair.
Just some Biblical insights for the preterists to ponder.......
Zep 2:3
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.
Isa 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Isa 26:21
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Zep 2:3
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.
Isa 26:20
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
Isa 26:21
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.