Technological Signs relating to Christ’s Coming are being fulfilled.

[HeIsHere]

Which Scripture are you referencing when you speak of "near", or "at hand" or "soon"? God spoke through prophets for thousands of years using these same type descriptions. https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kj...1=day+of+the+lord&restrict=All&size=First+100

Do you think all of these verses refer to present day prophecy fulfillment?

 

[HeIsHere]

'This generation' is referring to the generation that is alive at the time of the end-time events. The things that are soon to take place are just beginning to be fulfilled. They have not already happened but certainly will at the appointed time.

Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple, this occurred during the siege of Jerusalem.
Is Jesus confused?

“And Jesus went out from the temple, and was going on his way; and his disciples came to him to show him the buildings of the temple. But he answered and said unto them, ‘You see all of these things, do you not? Truly I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down’” (Matthew 24:1-2).

So first He is speaking about the near future and then all of sudden He shifts to 2000 or more years down the road.?

 

[Cameron143]

No, I'm saying Hosea 6:2 is in reference to those same ages of time ,,,"after two days" but that when the Messiah(Jesus) came and was cut off and the age ended and another began is in the "middle of the week" https://biblehub.com/interlinear/daniel/9-27.htm (see verse 26 also)... But what week,the week in Genesis 2:4 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-4.htm so Wednesday was about to end when Jesus came(in the middle),,, then the age they ask about in Matthew 24:3 ended in ad70 and Thursday and Friday were still to come(two one thousand year ages) and then the Seventh...

Gotcha. Thanks for bearing with me there. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

 

[cv5]

Refuse this fact at your peril.

Now it shall come to pass, when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the Lord your God drives you, and you return to the Lord your God and obey His voice, according to all that I command you today, you and your children, with all your heart and with all your soul, that the Lord your God will bring you back from captivity, and have compassion on you, and gather you again from all the nations where the Lord your God has scattered you.
Deuteronomy 30:1‭-‬3 NKJV

Inform yourself. You are Biblically illiterate as regards prophecy. Same goes for all of the preterists and amillennialists out there.

Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass ***in that day***, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Luk 13:35
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in

Hos 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
Hos 6:1
Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
Hos 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

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[HeIsHere]

Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in

We are living in this time.
Times of the Gentiles is fulfilled when they were grafted in.

 

[cv5]

We are living in this time.
Times of the Gentiles is fulfilled when they were grafted in.

An utterly absurd proposal on every level. No rational honest human being could deny that these events have never yet come to pass and are undoubtedly FUTURE!

I could go on like this for hours and hours and days and weeks. The preterists and amillennialists are promoting and believing in unbiblical nonsensical fantasies. Some are probably also victims of liberal nutter unbelieving "Churches".

Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass ***in that day***, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Zec 12:3
And ***in that day*** will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Zec 12:8
***In that day*** shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

Zec 12:9
And it shall come to pass ***in that day***, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

 

[cv5]

An utterly absurd proposal on every level. No rational honest human being could deny that these events have never yet come to pass and are undoubtedly FUTURE!

I could go on like this for hours and hours and days and weeks. The preterists and amillennialists are promoting and believing in unbiblical nonsensical fantasies. Some are probably also victims of liberal nutter unbelieving "Churches".

Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass ***in that day***, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Zec 12:3
And ***in that day*** will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Zec 12:8
***In that day*** shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

Zec 12:9
And it shall come to pass ***in that day***, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

How any supposed Christian could fail to understand that this MUST BE THE SAME FUTURE "DAY" as Isa 11:11, Zech 12:3,8,9 is beyond belief.

Zec 14:4
And his feet shall stand ***in that day*** upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Zec 14:9
And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: ***in that day*** shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

 

[cv5]

We are living in this time.
Times of the Gentiles is fulfilled when they were grafted in.

And just to let you know:
The term "times of the gentiles" is completely district from the term "the fullness of the gentiles".

However, they both represent (to one extent or another) the inevitable "GAP" aka "Church age" that abides between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel.

AND.....there is a slight time lag between the FULFILLMENT of the "times" and the "fullness". But not much. Both usher in the imminent 70th week of Daniel which is "determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city". Which undoubtedly is yet future.

Why is it that the futurist premillennialists have it all together as regards Biblical literacy and understanding of prophecy? And the preterists and amillenniallists come up short and dumb?

 

[Beckie]

During World War I, The Weekly Evangel, an official publication of the Assemblies of God, carried this prediction: "We are not yet in the Armageddon struggle proper, but at its commencement, and it may be, if students of prophecy read the signs aright, that Christ will come before the present war closes, and before Armageddon...The war preliminary to Armageddon, it seems, has commenced." Other editions speculated that the end would come no later than 1934 or 1935.

Amen we find Christ in the media headlines. NOT
Man wants to be so important s/he defines a different meaning to the Word of God... 'this' now means 'that'... 'soon' now means a few thousand years... 'at hand' guess that is just and old fashion phrase. Not unlike todays liberal media .

We find Him in the Scriptures ...Joh_5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

 

[cv5]

And just to let you know:
The term "times of the gentiles" is completely district from the term "the fullness of the gentiles".

However, they both represent (to one extent or another) the inevitable "GAP" aka "Church age" that abides between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel.

AND.....there is a slight time lag between the FULFILLMENT of the "times" and the "fullness". But not much. Both usher in the imminent 70th week of Daniel which is "determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city". Which undoubtedly is yet future.

Why is it that the futurist premillennialists have it all together as regards Biblical literacy and understanding of prophecy? And the preterists and amillenniallists come up short and dumb?

You are long on laughing.......and short on both quoting Scripture and understanding it. Waaaayyyy short.

But yea......every serious bible student knows that the term "times of the gentiles" is completely district from the term "the fullness of the gentiles".

 

[cv5]

An utterly absurd proposal on every level. No rational honest human being could deny that these events have never yet come to pass and are undoubtedly FUTURE!

I could go on like this for hours and hours and days and weeks. The preterists and amillennialists are promoting and believing in unbiblical nonsensical fantasies. Some are probably also victims of liberal nutter unbelieving "Churches".

Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass ***in that day***, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Zec 12:3
And ***in that day*** will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Zec 12:8
***In that day*** shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

Zec 12:9
And it shall come to pass ***in that day***, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Any preterists out there want to dare tell the board that the abovementioned events all happened at 70AD as they suppose?

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Inform yourself. You are Biblically illiterate as regards prophecy. Same goes for all of the preterists and amillennialists out there.

Sure because the escatology propagated by John Darby; a man who was wrong about basic theology, like vicarious atonement, and imputed righteousness, (ideas central to christianity itself) had to be right about something much more complicated.
Sorry i dont regard the imaginings of heretics like Darby

 

[Beckie]

You are long on laughing.......and short on both quoting Scripture and understanding it. Waaaayyyy short.

But yea......every serious bible student knows that the term "times of the gentiles" is completely district from the term "the fullness of the gentiles".

Does waaaayyyy short have any thing close to the same meaning a soon ?

 

[cv5]

Sure because the escatology propagated by John Darby; a man who was wrong about basic theology, like vicarious atonement, and imputed righteousness, (ideas central to christianity itself) had to be right about something much more complicated.
Sorry i dont regard the imaginings of heretics like Darby

Never read Darby. Ever.

Dude......frankly, I have most thoroughly "cleaned the clock" of the preterists on this thread and dissipated their pretentions.
Preterists are holding an empty bag, I am holding the OT and NT and using it like a sharp two-edged sword in devastating fashion.

Victory is sweet. Try it sometime.

 

[cv5]

Does waaaayyyy short have any thing close to the same meaning a soon ?

Peanut gallery throwing peanuts again are we?

Anyways......no legit intelligent answers coming from the preterists. Just dumb silence.

 

[Cameron143]

Never read Darby. Ever.

Dude......frankly, I have most thoroughly "cleaned the clock" of the preterists on this thread and dissipated their pretentions.
Preterists are holding an empty bag, I am holding the OT and NT and using it like a sharp two-edged sword in devastating fashion.

Victory is sweet. Try it sometime.

That's probably the problem. Personal victory shouldn't be the goal, but edification of the saints. The least is the greatest. It might be worth reevaluating what victory actually looks like.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

Never read Darby. Ever.

Dude......frankly, I have most thoroughly "cleaned the clock" of the preterists on this thread and dissipated their pretentions.
Preterists are holding an empty bag, I am holding the OT and NT and using it like a sharp two-edged sword in devastating fashion.

Victory is sweet. Try it sometime.

Lol, no you havent, thats a ridiculous statement. They have stopped responding to you because you have been absurd.
I posted a passage of scripture you didnt deal with what is written, you went on about other stuff. I stopped looking at this thread. Untill you brought me back into it.
The ideas you are promoting was started by John Darby in the late 1800s, until then there was no premillinial dispensationalists, nor were there any zionists.

 

[cv5]

Lol, no you havent, thats a ridiculous statement. They have stopped responding to you because you have been absurd.
I posted a passage of scripture you didnt deal with what is written, you went on about other stuff. I stopped looking at this thread. Untill you brought me back into it.
The ideas you are promoting was started by John Darby in the late 1800s, until then there was no premillinial dispensationalists, nor were there any zionists.

Bro....I have posted actual Scriptures to support my case at least 20X or 30X greater in volume than any preterist here.
Its a win for me and every futurist out there, and its not even close.

If prattling on about Darby in word salad replies is the best you can do......you cannot do anything other than lose. Some more.

 

[cv5]

That's probably the problem. Personal victory shouldn't be the goal, but edification of the saints. The least is the greatest. It might be worth reevaluating what victory actually looks like.

Really? Where were you in the heat of battle against the preterists?

No....I did the fighting so I will also do the winning. And legit Saints don't kick Israel to the curb BTW. They know that their redemption draws near as does the DOTL.

Another thing: Paul says Christ is coming for those earnestly looking for Him. In the rapture.
Hope the preterists reconsider. Before it is too late.....

 

[Cameron143]

Really? Where were you in the heat of battle against the preterists?

No....I did the fighting so I will also do the winning. And legit Saints don't kick Israel to the curb BTW. They know that their redemption draws near as does the DOTL.

Another thing: Paul says Christ is coming for those earnestly looking for Him. In the rapture.
Hope the preterists reconsider. Before it is too late.....

What is the value of being right if you have no audience with which to share?