Tasted Death for every Man !

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sawdust

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Its the saving efficacy of Christs Death you dont believe.
Ive been showing that Christ's death saved them He tasted death for, but you dont believe. You believe the devil defeated Him
What I believe is that you don't understand why Christ died. I pray one day you will see the truth of His death. How it's the resurrection that empowers us, not His death. His death releases us from the payment so we can be empowered. Those who reject Christ will never know that salvation.

Christ "wrote a cheque" to cover the debt of every man, only those who bank it will know it's true worth.
 

brightfame52

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What I believe is that you don't understand why Christ died. I pray one day you will see the truth of His death. How it's the resurrection that empowers us, not His death. His death releases us from the payment so we can be empowered. Those who reject Christ will never know that salvation.

Christ "wrote a cheque" to cover the debt of every man, only those who bank it will know it's true worth.
Friend you in unbelief, may God have mercy on you !
 
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Another way of understanding Heb 2:9 as it regards who the every man were concerning who Christ tasted death for. It was for everyone that had salvation by it Vs 10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Notice the writer terms it their salvation, it belonged to them even though they didnt know it. They had no knowledge of their salvation until they heard the Gospel, Paul writes in Eph 1:13

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In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

See salvation belongs to the saved before they hear about it by means of the Gospel

Salvation belongs to every sinner Christ tasted death for. The word for in Heb 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Its the greek word prep hyper and means:

  1. in behalf of, for the sake of

Christ therefore suffered in behalf of them the death they should have experienced and that equates to their salvation from death. The word denotes representation, in the interest of others.

And notice it also means for the sake of meaning:

You do it for the purpose or in order to achieve a result. The result in this case is their salvation ! 4
 

Kroogz

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Another way of understanding Heb 2:9 as it regards who the every man were concerning who Christ tasted death for. It was for everyone that had salvation by it Vs 10

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Notice the writer terms it their salvation, it belonged to them even though they didnt know it. They had no knowledge of their salvation until they heard the Gospel, Paul writes in Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

See salvation belongs to the saved before they hear about it by means of the Gospel

Salvation belongs to every sinner Christ tasted death for. The word for in Heb 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Its the greek word prep hyper and means:

  1. in behalf of, for the sake of

Christ therefore suffered in behalf of them the death they should have experienced and that equates to their salvation from death. The word denotes representation, in the interest of others.

And notice it also means for the sake of meaning:

You do it for the purpose or in order to achieve a result. The result in this case is their salvation ! 4
John 1:29
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

John 12:32
32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

2 Corinthians 5:15
15 and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.

1 Timothy 2:6
6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

1 John 2:2
2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Acts 16:30–31
30 and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
 
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John 1:29
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

John 12:32
32 “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

2 Corinthians 5:15
15 and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.

1 Timothy 2:6
6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

1 John 2:2
2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Acts 16:30–31
30 and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
You can quote scripture all day and night, you havent proved you believe and understand them
 
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What makes you think you have?
I haven't met a human yet that can understand all of Holy Scripture but the more we partake the more we glimpse The Truth, one human lifetime is not enough to understand all of its many levels and when people pop up that seem to understand it all usually begin cults that end in death, dont be fooled Shalom xx
 

rogerg

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I haven't met a human yet that can understand all of Holy Scripture but the more we partake the more we glimpse The Truth, one human lifetime is not enough to understand all of its many levels and when people pop up that seem to understand it all usually begin cults that end in death, dont be fooled Shalom xx
Its fundamental doctrine is very simple - that Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone and in all ways is Saviour sent by the Father. Everything else is confirmation, documentary, and built upon, that.
 
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[Phl 2:6-7 KJV]
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
thank you. do you find any contradictions in the Holy Scripture?
 

rogerg

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thank you. do you find any contradictions in the Holy Scripture?
On an initial reading I often find many contradictions; however, upon a deeper analysis, and when I take into account the rules
scripture sets forth for its own interpretation, most resolve themselves. But if you're asking if there are still things that
are unresolved in my mind, yes, there are, but I realize that regardless, resolution is to be found in Christ.
Therefore, the fundamental doctrine of scripture holds fast - that Jesus Christ alone and in all ways is Saviour.

[Tit 3:5-6 KJV]
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
 
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On an initial reading I often find many contradictions; however, upon a deeper analysis, and when I take into account the rules
scripture sets forth for its own interpretation, most resolve themselves. But if you're asking if there are still things that
are unresolved in my mind, yes, there are, but I realize that regardless, resolution is to be found in Christ.
Therefore, the fundamental doctrine of scripture holds fast - that Jesus Christ alone and in all ways is Saviour.

[Tit 3:5-6 KJV]
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
thanks again friend, why did a Yeshua say The Father is Greater than I if He considered Himself equal with God?
 

rogerg

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thanks again friend, why did a Yeshua say The Father is Greater than I if He considered Himself equal with God?
You're welcome. I think that is answered by Phl 2:6-7 - that Jesus took upon Himself the form of a servant while remaining God. In that particular verse, Jesus was speaking from the perspective of a man and a servant. Throughout scripture, I believe, depending upon the verse, Jesus speaks from one perspective or the other - either as God or as a man.
 
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You're welcome. I think that is answered by Phl 2:6-7 - that Jesus took upon Himself the form of a servant while remaining God. In that particular verse, Jesus was speaking from the perspective of a man and a servant. Throughout scripture, I believe, depending upon the verse, Jesus speaks from one perspective or the other - either as God or as a man.
ok thanks for your explanations mate I will ponder upon your answers , Shalom xx just b4 I go if Yeshua is equal to God and God knows all things then why does Yeshua not know the date of the time of His Presence? God knows all things and if Yeshuas is equal with God then Yeshua would know all things? xx have you resolved that in your mind yet? I need help with that one too xx