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Like i said before, you are trying to look for arguments where there is non. Adam being created first means he has authority over Eve. This is a real argument and even Paul uses it.
Your arguments fall short in the following levels:
1. Animals are not self conscious so the concept of authority can not apply to them. So between Adam and Eve-minds with the ability to know right from wrong, Adam being created first means he has authority over Eve.
2. I did not use the order of creation in my argument yet, so you are attacking a straw man. I said Adam gave Eve the name Eve and the title woman.
Your arguments fall short in the following levels:
1. Animals are not self conscious so the concept of authority can not apply to them. So between Adam and Eve-minds with the ability to know right from wrong, Adam being created first means he has authority over Eve.
2. I did not use the order of creation in my argument yet, so you are attacking a straw man. I said Adam gave Eve the name Eve and the title woman.
I think we veer far enough off topic. Discussing women in the church is a big enough topic for its own thread.
The Bible does speak of women prophesying. The church is not the only venue where one could prophesy (or preach for that matter), so it the verses mentioned are not evidence that women cannot be gifted to prophesy.
The Bible does speak of women prophesying. The church is not the only venue where one could prophesy (or preach for that matter), so it the verses mentioned are not evidence that women cannot be gifted to prophesy.
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Ironically, I just logically did indent formatting (like an outline) just now. It is from morning talk at Chicago, April 9, 1889.
"If we only understood the evil of this spirit of intolerance, how we would shun it!
We join ourselves to the enemy of God and humankind when we accuse our brethren, for Satan was an accuser of the brethren.
We bear false witness when we add a little to our brother's words, and give them a false coloring;
and in the sight of God we are not doers, but transgressors of the Law
We are not on The Lord's side; we are on the side of him who hurts, destroys, and tears down the cause of Truth.
We should pray for one another, instead of drawing apart.
He (or she) who keeps the Word of Truth abides in Christ;
in him (or her) is the love of God perfected.
We should be ready to accept Light from God from whatever source it may come,
instead of rejecting it because it does not come through the channel from which we expected it.
When Jesus opened the Word of God at Nazareth, and read Isaiah's Prophecy of his work and mission,
and declared that it was fulfilled in their hearing,
they began to doubt and question.
They said, "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary?
And his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?
Whence then has this man all these things?”
And they were offended in him.
They did not expect Light from him, and they rejected the Message of God.
When he who had been born blind, received his sight, and came to the Pharisees and told them of Jesus,
they said, "Thou was altogether born in sins, and do you teach us?"
And they cast him out.
They settled themselves in unbelief, in rejection of Christ, though they professed to believe in God.
God has commanded us to love one another.
If you see defects in a brother, do not say, "I have lost all confidence in him."
Have you any right to speak in that way of another?
The Scripture commands us to build one another up in the most holy faith.
We are to be holy in all manner of conversation.
Are your minds broad enough to take in all the circumstances, perplexities, and trials of the brother you condemn?
There are many whose religion consists in criticizing habits of dress and manners.
They want to bring every one to their own measure.
They desire to lengthen out those who seem too short for their standard,
and to cut down others who seem too long.
They have lost the love of God out of their hearts;
but they think they have a spirit of discernment.
They think it is their prerogative to criticize, and pronounce judgment;
but they should repent of their error, and turn away from their sins.
Peter asked of The Lord concerning John, "Lord, and what shall this man do?"
Jesus answered, "What is that to you? Follow Me."
We are to follow The Example.
A flood of Light shines upon us, and all jealousy should be put away; for jealousy is cruel as the grave.
Purge out the old leaven; for a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Let us love one another.
Let us have harmony and union throughout our ranks.
Let us have our hearts sanctified to God.
Let us look upon the Light that abides for us in Jesus.
Let us remember how forbearing and patient He was with the erring children of men.
We should be in a wretched state if The God of Heaven were like one of us, and treated us as we are inclined to treat one another.
Thank The Lord that His thoughts are not our thoughts, nor His ways our ways.
He is full of compassion and love, long-suffering, and abundant in sincere mercy.
If we have the love of Jesus, we shall love those for whom He has died."
"If we only understood the evil of this spirit of intolerance, how we would shun it!
We join ourselves to the enemy of God and humankind when we accuse our brethren, for Satan was an accuser of the brethren.
We bear false witness when we add a little to our brother's words, and give them a false coloring;
and in the sight of God we are not doers, but transgressors of the Law
We are not on The Lord's side; we are on the side of him who hurts, destroys, and tears down the cause of Truth.
We should pray for one another, instead of drawing apart.
He (or she) who keeps the Word of Truth abides in Christ;
in him (or her) is the love of God perfected.
We should be ready to accept Light from God from whatever source it may come,
instead of rejecting it because it does not come through the channel from which we expected it.
When Jesus opened the Word of God at Nazareth, and read Isaiah's Prophecy of his work and mission,
and declared that it was fulfilled in their hearing,
they began to doubt and question.
They said, "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary?
And his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us?
Whence then has this man all these things?”
And they were offended in him.
They did not expect Light from him, and they rejected the Message of God.
When he who had been born blind, received his sight, and came to the Pharisees and told them of Jesus,
they said, "Thou was altogether born in sins, and do you teach us?"
And they cast him out.
They settled themselves in unbelief, in rejection of Christ, though they professed to believe in God.
God has commanded us to love one another.
If you see defects in a brother, do not say, "I have lost all confidence in him."
Have you any right to speak in that way of another?
The Scripture commands us to build one another up in the most holy faith.
We are to be holy in all manner of conversation.
Are your minds broad enough to take in all the circumstances, perplexities, and trials of the brother you condemn?
There are many whose religion consists in criticizing habits of dress and manners.
They want to bring every one to their own measure.
They desire to lengthen out those who seem too short for their standard,
and to cut down others who seem too long.
They have lost the love of God out of their hearts;
but they think they have a spirit of discernment.
They think it is their prerogative to criticize, and pronounce judgment;
but they should repent of their error, and turn away from their sins.
Peter asked of The Lord concerning John, "Lord, and what shall this man do?"
Jesus answered, "What is that to you? Follow Me."
We are to follow The Example.
A flood of Light shines upon us, and all jealousy should be put away; for jealousy is cruel as the grave.
Purge out the old leaven; for a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
Let us love one another.
Let us have harmony and union throughout our ranks.
Let us have our hearts sanctified to God.
Let us look upon the Light that abides for us in Jesus.
Let us remember how forbearing and patient He was with the erring children of men.
We should be in a wretched state if The God of Heaven were like one of us, and treated us as we are inclined to treat one another.
Thank The Lord that His thoughts are not our thoughts, nor His ways our ways.
He is full of compassion and love, long-suffering, and abundant in sincere mercy.
If we have the love of Jesus, we shall love those for whom He has died."
for God and for back-to-the-basics Christianity,
Bible lover Bill
Romans 8:28, Proverbs 3:5-6, Philippians 4:4-8, and Jude 20-25
The "Holy Spirit and the Gifts" are a context? #2,738
I'm amazed at how the word context is used/misused on this forum.
(he says as he posts a comment out of context) lol
I'm actually mostly supportive of what you were saying otherwise.
The manifestations of the Spirit are for all believers. Regardless of gender or age.
Also, FYI: The AG (denomination) has a really great white paper on the subject of women in ministry.
I can find the link if need be. Might be a good topic? (not sure)
Acts 2:17
“‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
Matthew 21:16
“Do you hear what these children are saying?” they asked him. “Yes,” replied Jesus, “have you never read, “‘From the lips of children and infants you, Lord, have called forth your praise’?”
I'm amazed at how the word context is used/misused on this forum.
(he says as he posts a comment out of context) lol
I'm actually mostly supportive of what you were saying otherwise.
The manifestations of the Spirit are for all believers. Regardless of gender or age.
Also, FYI: The AG (denomination) has a really great white paper on the subject of women in ministry.
I can find the link if need be. Might be a good topic? (not sure)
Acts 2:17
“‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
Matthew 21:16
“Do you hear what these children are saying?” they asked him. “Yes,” replied Jesus, “have you never read, “‘From the lips of children and infants you, Lord, have called forth your praise’?”
The manifestations of the Spirit are for the whole church, not half of the church. (Acts 2:17)
Did you know that there are at least five different kinds of tongues?
Addressing the whole church is only one kind. Number three on the list below.
Different kinds of tongues
1) Personal prayer language - Speaking to/with God
2) Intercessory prayer language - Praying for others in the Spirit
3) Prophetic prayer language - Addressing the whole church/preferably with interpretation
4) Singing in the Spirit - Singing in tongues/worship activity
5) Evangelistic language - Speaking the message of God to a people in their own language (not yours)
There may be others. But this is a good start. (i.e. warfare prayer in tongues, part of #2)
Did you know that there are at least five different kinds of tongues?
Addressing the whole church is only one kind. Number three on the list below.
Different kinds of tongues
1) Personal prayer language - Speaking to/with God
2) Intercessory prayer language - Praying for others in the Spirit
3) Prophetic prayer language - Addressing the whole church/preferably with interpretation
4) Singing in the Spirit - Singing in tongues/worship activity
5) Evangelistic language - Speaking the message of God to a people in their own language (not yours)
There may be others. But this is a good start. (i.e. warfare prayer in tongues, part of #2)
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How do we know if it is faking? #2,621
How can we be sure that someone speaking in tongues is faking it?
I'm not saying that it can't happen due to social pressure, but how can we be sure it is fake?
I think there are languages that sound like what we might term as fake tongues.
There are a lot of international peoples in my city. Sometimes I hear them talking.
It sounds like the tongues speaking in a church. And sometimes like what someone might call fake tongues.
I'm not sure that we can make an accurate determination of these things.
Is this fake tongues?
Banana, banana. Honda, me Honda. Banana on Honda.
It might sound like it. But...
How can we be sure that someone speaking in tongues is faking it?
I'm not saying that it can't happen due to social pressure, but how can we be sure it is fake?
I think there are languages that sound like what we might term as fake tongues.
There are a lot of international peoples in my city. Sometimes I hear them talking.
It sounds like the tongues speaking in a church. And sometimes like what someone might call fake tongues.
I'm not sure that we can make an accurate determination of these things.
Is this fake tongues?
Banana, banana. Honda, me Honda. Banana on Honda.
It might sound like it. But...
The tongues spoken of in the bible refers to one kind " His prophecy". Not something we can offer toward Him .
God brining his interpretation as doctrines from heaven .And not a open door for our private interpretation.
He performs it as sign against the unbelieving Jew to confirm they have no faith, in order to fulfill prophecy (Isaiah 28) as a old testament law not subject to change which is revealed in the new testament .
This people below are those who refuse to hear what God says But we will certainly do whatsoever thing comes out of our own mouth (oral traditions of men)
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, "not to them that believe", but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21 -22
How that law above does get turned around and make into a blessing and not a curse again points to those that will certainly do whatsoever thing comes out of their own mouth (oral traditions of men)
When the Spirit of Christ put His words on the tongue of Peter, the spiritual unseen gift of Prophecy .God interpreted it to many other 3000. The acknowledged by hearing the gospel in their own language(the gift of interpretation or hearing God) .
The Jew that refused to hear prophecy in any language but rather chased after the things seen like Hebrew flesh, experienced God mocking them for them mocking Him .Yet they still refused to believe like those in Jerimiah 44.
As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. Jerimiah 44.16-17
No sign gifts .Signs are designed to be against those rebels who believe not prophecy .(no faith)
Christians walk by the faith that comes from hearing the interpretation of God and therefore can believe prophecy .And not some else's interpretation of sounds without meaning . Calling that faith
God brining his interpretation as doctrines from heaven .And not a open door for our private interpretation.
He performs it as sign against the unbelieving Jew to confirm they have no faith, in order to fulfill prophecy (Isaiah 28) as a old testament law not subject to change which is revealed in the new testament .
This people below are those who refuse to hear what God says But we will certainly do whatsoever thing comes out of our own mouth (oral traditions of men)
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, "not to them that believe", but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21 -22
How that law above does get turned around and make into a blessing and not a curse again points to those that will certainly do whatsoever thing comes out of their own mouth (oral traditions of men)
When the Spirit of Christ put His words on the tongue of Peter, the spiritual unseen gift of Prophecy .God interpreted it to many other 3000. The acknowledged by hearing the gospel in their own language(the gift of interpretation or hearing God) .
The Jew that refused to hear prophecy in any language but rather chased after the things seen like Hebrew flesh, experienced God mocking them for them mocking Him .Yet they still refused to believe like those in Jerimiah 44.
As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. Jerimiah 44.16-17
No sign gifts .Signs are designed to be against those rebels who believe not prophecy .(no faith)
Christians walk by the faith that comes from hearing the interpretation of God and therefore can believe prophecy .And not some else's interpretation of sounds without meaning . Calling that faith
I believe the gospel was preached in the Old testament . God commanded Abel bring the right sacrifice Abel as God worked in him to both will and do the good pleasure of God believed God moved to perform the belief and it was imputed to him a righteousness not of Abel's own self .
When God sent Abel to preach the good news to Cain. Cain murdered his brother Abel. Doing some natural thinking (no faith) that could come from hearing God. Thinking out of sight out of mind, or seeing is believing or I am from Missouri .
Cain putting the proof in the wrong kind of pudding as a reasoning authority .Abel the right kind of pudding (faith)
Cain was marked as natural man (no faith) he did not buy truth he sold it by murdering his brother (the mark of a "restless wander" no faith to rest in from his works.Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can. A punishment only Christ could bear a living hell.
If prophesying is God declaring His will called prophecy. How could it differ from the old and new seeing together they make up one book of prophecy the Bible .
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book
What we had in part up until the last book of prophecy (Revelation) today we have the whole or perfect. No new prophecy that we can look to and therefore no new knowledge .
Why go would a person desire to above that which is written to possible danger?
Make me wonder that when he does come will he find faith or a worn out religious book that cannot fulfil its spiritual unseen promises?
When God sent Abel to preach the good news to Cain. Cain murdered his brother Abel. Doing some natural thinking (no faith) that could come from hearing God. Thinking out of sight out of mind, or seeing is believing or I am from Missouri .
Cain putting the proof in the wrong kind of pudding as a reasoning authority .Abel the right kind of pudding (faith)
Cain was marked as natural man (no faith) he did not buy truth he sold it by murdering his brother (the mark of a "restless wander" no faith to rest in from his works.Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can. A punishment only Christ could bear a living hell.
If prophesying is God declaring His will called prophecy. How could it differ from the old and new seeing together they make up one book of prophecy the Bible .
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book
What we had in part up until the last book of prophecy (Revelation) today we have the whole or perfect. No new prophecy that we can look to and therefore no new knowledge .
Why go would a person desire to above that which is written to possible danger?
Make me wonder that when he does come will he find faith or a worn out religious book that cannot fulfil its spiritual unseen promises?
By their tongue speakers' facial expressions, especially if they are looking around instead of even having their eyes closed or looking as they are focussed on God only. Also I went to 2 churches were it seemed all were saying the same like the leader. And similarly, in regards to special music and choir singers. I remember a special Easter presentation by a choir. Afterwards, I went to one of the performers who was a prayer warrior and told her that I noticed she had an angelic facial expression that no one else had. She gleamed and told me that she had prayed and fasted for 3 days that she would just be focussed on God and not on performing. I have complimented other worship team members, and they all have said that they are not performing but are just worshiping God.
And faking about interpretation of tongues is easily discerned by what is said not being Biblical and by differences of lengths.