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1 Tim 2:11 A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet.
There's no other meaning for what Paul is saying above- a woman means a woman and quietness would still mean quietness.
If you have any other meaning from what i derive please let me know. this is a church setting btw.
There's no other meaning for what Paul is saying above- a woman means a woman and quietness would still mean quietness.
If you have any other meaning from what i derive please let me know. this is a church setting btw.
I do not have to address the above because I have provided context of the unit chapters from 1cor 11 to 14. You fail to loo at all verses which clearly and contextually apply to both men and women. you clearly overlooked 1cor 11 and 12 and 13 before coming to the understanding of 14
1 was 1cor only to men in the Church?
2. was the gifts of the Holy Spirit in chapter 12 only for men to operate as the Holy Spirit is the one who distributes as He see fit.
3. was 1cor written to the church of only men ?
4. is the applicaion of scripture only to men?
Yes women are to be silent , yes women are to have no authority over . Amen . BUT are you saying women will not be used in achurch setting because they are to be silent ? Please answer that one question. I have not a problem with paul at all . Nor do I have an issue with the Holy Spirit gifting women and being used in a church setting as 1cor 11 to 14 teaches as it should done with Order and disipline . was pauls 1cor 14:39 "39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. "
only to men. I will wait for your answer
1 was 1cor only to men in the Church?
2. was the gifts of the Holy Spirit in chapter 12 only for men to operate as the Holy Spirit is the one who distributes as He see fit.
3. was 1cor written to the church of only men ?
4. is the applicaion of scripture only to men?
Yes women are to be silent , yes women are to have no authority over . Amen . BUT are you saying women will not be used in achurch setting because they are to be silent ? Please answer that one question. I have not a problem with paul at all . Nor do I have an issue with the Holy Spirit gifting women and being used in a church setting as 1cor 11 to 14 teaches as it should done with Order and disipline . was pauls 1cor 14:39 "39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. "
only to men. I will wait for your answer
Ok, explain to me what it means:
1 Cor 14:34Women f should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
1 Cor 14:34Women f should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
Ok, explain to me what it means:
1 Cor 14:34Women f should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church..... 37......I am writing to you is the Lord’s command.
1 Cor 14:34Women f should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church..... 37......I am writing to you is the Lord’s command.
yes it's called respectful when learning the word of God . The Error of your premise is you assume a controlling environment in the church. Willful submission, in obedience to the word of God and Love to the women as Christ loved the church. And the blatant failure to acknowledge that women have the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit can use a women and does use a women in the church setting.
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Are you trying to avoid my question? when Paul talks about women does he mean both men and women?
Paul is not talking about disruptions in the church, he clearly says women don't have authority over men, that's why they are not permitted to speak.
A1. 1 Cor was for both men and women that's why there's specific instruction for women to keep quiet
A2. If women were to keep quiet in church then it means the gifts were only for men in the church setting, how many times does Paul have to say women need to deal with their husbands? Even if they have prophesy, they tell it to their husbands who will tell it to the church
A3. Nope, it was written for everyone and there's specific instructions for women that don't apply to men and amongst the instruction is that women should be quiet in church
A4. Nope. Scripture is for all believers, there are specific instructions for women that don't apply to men.
Paul is not talking about disruptions in the church, he clearly says women don't have authority over men, that's why they are not permitted to speak.
A1. 1 Cor was for both men and women that's why there's specific instruction for women to keep quiet
A2. If women were to keep quiet in church then it means the gifts were only for men in the church setting, how many times does Paul have to say women need to deal with their husbands? Even if they have prophesy, they tell it to their husbands who will tell it to the church
A3. Nope, it was written for everyone and there's specific instructions for women that don't apply to men and amongst the instruction is that women should be quiet in church
A4. Nope. Scripture is for all believers, there are specific instructions for women that don't apply to men.
Are you trying to avoid my question? when Paul talks about women does he mean both men and women?
Paul is not talking about disruptions in the church, he clearly says women don't have authority over men, that's why they are not permitted to speak.
A1. 1 Cor was for both men and women that's why there's specific instruction for women to keep quiet
A2. If women were to keep quiet in church then it means the gifts were only for men in the church setting, how many times does Paul have to say women need to deal with their husbands? Even if they have prophesy, they tell it to their husbands who will tell it to the church
A3. Nope, it was written for everyone and there's specific instructions for women that don't apply to men and amongst the instruction is that women should be quiet in church
A4. Nope. Scripture is for all believers, there are specific instructions for w
Yes, we can go there. It is what i have been asking for since yesterday- explain how Paul did not women are to keep quiet in church. You can use the law to explain.
Paul is not talking about disruptions in the church, he clearly says women don't have authority over men, that's why they are not permitted to speak.
A1. 1 Cor was for both men and women that's why there's specific instruction for women to keep quiet
A2. If women were to keep quiet in church then it means the gifts were only for men in the church setting, how many times does Paul have to say women need to deal with their husbands? Even if they have prophesy, they tell it to their husbands who will tell it to the church
A3. Nope, it was written for everyone and there's specific instructions for women that don't apply to men and amongst the instruction is that women should be quiet in church
A4. Nope. Scripture is for all believers, there are specific instructions for w
Yes, we can go there. It is what i have been asking for since yesterday- explain how Paul did not women are to keep quiet in church. You can use the law to explain.
2 Tim 3:16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.
Things are not wrong because you marvel and say they are wrong, you need to use scripture and explain why i'm wrong.
Here's another one you can try to twist and still fail:
1 Tim 2:
8Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
11A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women c will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety
Must be quiet means must be quiet with no conditions- it means she can not purport to speak in tongues or evangelize as long as as men were there. It would be disgrace (quoting Paul) which also means it is not from the Lord. Same thing that is happening today.
Here's another one you can try to twist and still fail:
1 Tim 2:
8Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
11A woman a should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; b she must be quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15But women c will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety
Must be quiet means must be quiet with no conditions- it means she can not purport to speak in tongues or evangelize as long as as men were there. It would be disgrace (quoting Paul) which also means it is not from the Lord. Same thing that is happening today.
I have used scripture you are eliciting for self-interpretation. You are not taking the full context of the Holy Spirit and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. You stated that women would not be used in the church setting in the gifts of the Holy Spirit because they are to be silent.
Then you try to lecture us on proper exegesis. LOL You can’t have it both ways either the Holy and His gifts are given to men and women or they are not. You do not see the context with the text or passages of scriptures that speak to the unity of the Holy Spirit with men and women. You see it as controlling that is why you are Pharisees. It has been my experience those who teach the half-baked cake Gospel and 1corinthians about the role of women and are wrong have 1. Not being married 2. Have been divorced 3. No freedom of the Holy Spirit for all people in the service. dead, dead, dead,. Those like you take correction from the word of God and use it to control people like a cultish founder would do.
Then you try to lecture us on proper exegesis. LOL You can’t have it both ways either the Holy and His gifts are given to men and women or they are not. You do not see the context with the text or passages of scriptures that speak to the unity of the Holy Spirit with men and women. You see it as controlling that is why you are Pharisees. It has been my experience those who teach the half-baked cake Gospel and 1corinthians about the role of women and are wrong have 1. Not being married 2. Have been divorced 3. No freedom of the Holy Spirit for all people in the service. dead, dead, dead,. Those like you take correction from the word of God and use it to control people like a cultish founder would do.
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