Saved by faith alone?
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not that I see it
that is a hard example to make. because basically the moment you said I trust the bridge, you had crossed it. Your actions followed.
A better example would be Abraham
He believed God and he accounted it to him as righteousness.
All of abrahams acts of obedience (and many acts of disobedience) Followed him being saved in Gen 15.
that is a hard example to make. because basically the moment you said I trust the bridge, you had crossed it. Your actions followed.
A better example would be Abraham
He believed God and he accounted it to him as righteousness.
All of abrahams acts of obedience (and many acts of disobedience) Followed him being saved in Gen 15.
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I've often found myself exasperated in thinking that an agreement might've actually been achieved except for the participants' unwillingness to admit to even any semblance of it... 
The only reason I responded the way I did for that user is I know what he means by faith plus works.
He believes works are required for salvation. Not a byproduct of salvation
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Your reply reveals that you are oblivious regarding the omnilove of God/Jesus, so you fail to understand that the reason Jesus told this parable was NOT because he hated those who were not his disciples but because he hoped every hearer (a,b & c) would repent and become his disciple/good soil and accept Him as Messiah, the One God sent to die for the sins of every spiritually sick soul. Such demeaning of divine love is blasphemous! Again, the simple and loving solution to your demeaning doctrine of divine hate is not to view saving faith as a meritorious work, just as accepting a Christmas gift does not mean the recipient deserves the gift.
PaulThomson said:
Believe + obey = trust/Faith?
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Everlasting-Grace said:
No
Belief means I believe something, but I do not trust in that something, or I am not confident in that thing
So, you are saying,
Belief = Trust - x
which is a re-arrangement of my expression -
Believe = Faith/trust - obey.
You wrote -
Everlasting-Grace said:
Faith equals I have trust or faith in something
So, you are saying -
Faith = trust
which is the same as my expression "faith/trust"
Believe + obey = trust/Faith?
You wrote -
Everlasting-Grace said:
No
Belief means I believe something, but I do not trust in that something, or I am not confident in that thing
So, you are saying,
Belief = Trust - x
which is a re-arrangement of my expression -
Believe = Faith/trust - obey.
You wrote -
Everlasting-Grace said:
Faith equals I have trust or faith in something
So, you are saying -
Faith = trust
which is the same as my expression "faith/trust"
Neither did the people James were speaking to.
He even said, if you believe (he questioned if they even believed) you do well.
And he said their faith was dead (lifeless)
that's why they did not do works. they would fit the licentious mold. easy believe mold of Jude and 2 peter 2.
James warned them as Paul warned those trying to insert works of the law with faith to be saved..
He even said, if you believe (he questioned if they even believed) you do well.
And he said their faith was dead (lifeless)
that's why they did not do works. they would fit the licentious mold. easy believe mold of Jude and 2 peter 2.
James warned them as Paul warned those trying to insert works of the law with faith to be saved..
My analogy of a believing a bridge can hold but not trusting that it will hold (me, personally, because I fear it doesn't possess the capacity to bear my weight) demonstrates, imo, the difference between belief and trust. So, if I should cross the bridge even with that fear, wouldn't this, then, qualify as an actual faith?
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