Salvation is for the Whole World

ForestGreenCook · Mar 2, 2023

So, is it the world that we live in now, the world that God loves, according to John 3:16?

rogerg · Mar 2, 2023

I'll try, but since it is such an expansive subject, I'm not sure I can explain it all nor even if I fully understand it all. It could
easily be a thread unto itself. I'm unsure exactly what you're looking for, but I'll take a stab at it with the below for starters.
Basically, I believe it to be the world where Christ will reign with those whom He has saved, destroying this current world, replacing it
with that one. We can discuss further if you wish.

(in no particular order - and there are probably even better verses than these which I don't recall at the moment)

[Mar 10:30 KJV]
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

[Luk 18:30 KJV]
30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.

[Isa 65:17 KJV]
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[2Pe 3:13 KJV]
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

[Rev 21:27 KJV]
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

[2Pe 3:10 KJV]
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

[Mat 24:14 KJV]
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

[Mat 24:35 KJV]
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

[Jhn 18:36 KJV]
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

[Dan 7:18, 22, 27 KJV]
18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. ...
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. ...
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Sipsey · Mar 2, 2023

CorrectiveLens said:

Jesus is Lord and God of all creation. He is our savior and our comforter. He sits at the Father's right hand and is sinless because He obeys the Father's will. The Father put all things under Christ's feet except Himself ( 1 Cor 15: 27-28). Christ has His own mind and is not the same entity as the Father. The Father has always existed. Christ was the first living entity formed to accompany the Father. Christ was with the Father in the beginning because the beginning started when Christ proceedeth from the Father. That is why there is a Father and Son relationship. Christ was the Father's Son before He became human. John 16: 27-28 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Isaiah 43: 10 ... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. This verse is spoken by Christ because the Father has no beginning but apparently, the God (Christ) in Isaiah 43: 10 had a time that existed before Him which means that He didn't always exist in the past. Actually, the beginning started when Christ was formed out of the Father's essence. Alpha and Omega means the first and the last.
The Holy Spirit is the Father's Spirit (essence) through which He communicates and empowers. The Father operates through His Spirit filled Christ, and Christ operates through His Spirit filled believers. 1 Cor 11: 3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God (the Father). 1 Cor 2: 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.
1 Cor 3: 23 And ye are Christ's, and Christ is God's.
This scripture explains that our relationship to Christ is similar to Christ's relationship to the Father. We belong to Christ because we receive His Spirit and become part of His spiritual body. Christ is filled with the Father's Spirit and is part of the spiritual body of the Father ( His right hand). Since Christ belongs to the Father, we also belong to the Father and are part of His body. Both the Spirit of the Father and Son reside in those that are saved. We are so unworthy, but Christ makes us worthy. Praise the Lord.

Thank you for answering.

Personally, I see many beginnings in Scripture. In Genesis I think “In a beginning” would be more accurate, due to the fact much preceded the formation of the physical world, and mankind.

I see John 1 as the earliest of all the beginnings mentioned in the Bible, and the one that most accurately reflects who Jesus really was, and is.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

rogerg · Mar 2, 2023

ForestGreenCook said:

If you won't mind my two cents, I can't see how this world could possibly be the one that God "so loved". If there is truly only one world which God loves, but yet, promised to destroy it, that would mean either that God is unable to save that which He loves, or to destroy that which He hates - which would be a logical impossibility. So, two worlds must be in view - one to be destroyed and one to be eternal.
That is the only way all verses can harmonize.
If God instructs us not to love this world, then neither does He.

[1Jo 2:15-17 KJV]
15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Magenta · Mar 2, 2023

rogerg said:

There are those who speak against God destroying anything, almost
as if He cannot do it, or as if it somehow besmirches His character to
even suggest that He can and will do it, just as Scripture teaches.

Sipsey · Mar 2, 2023

rogerg said:

It’s actually a simple task to figure out which world is spoken of in Jon 3:16–here is a summation of the Greek word used that’s translated as “World,” and its various shades of meaning.No need to speculate;

2889. κόσμος kósmos; gen. kósmou, masc. noun probably from koméō (n.f.), to take care of. World, with its primary meaning being order, regular disposition and arrangement.
(B) The earth, this lower world as the abode of man. (1) The then-known world and particularly the people who lived in it (Mk 16:15; Jn 16:21,28; 21:25; 1Ti 3:16; 1Pe 5:9; 2Pe 3:6). To come or be sent into the world means to be born, as in Jn 1:9. To go forth into the world means to appear before men as in Jn 3:17,19; 6:14; 1Ti 1:15; Heb 10:5; 1Jn 4:1,9; 2Jn 7. Hyperbolically (Mt 4:8, "all the kingdoms of the world"; see Ro 1:8). (2) Metonymically, the world meaning the inhabitants of the earth, men, mankind (Mt 5:14; 13:38; Jn 1:29; 3:16; Ro 3:6,19; 1Co 4:13; 2Co 5:19; Heb 11:7; 2Pe 2:5; 1Jn 2:2). Hyperbolically, the world for the multitude, everybody (Jn 7:4 "show thyself to the world" means manifest thyself, do not remain in secret; 12:19); metaphorically, that is openly (Jn 14:22; 18:20; 2Co 1:12). It also stands for the heathen world, the same as tá éthnē (1484), "the nations" (a.t. [Ro 11:12,15 {cf. Lk 12:30}]).
(C) The present world, the present order of things, as opposed to the kingdom of Christ; and hence, always with the idea of transience, worthlessness, and evil both physical and moral, the seat of cares, temptations, irregular desires. It is thus nearly equivalent to ho aiṓn hoútos (aiṓn [165], age; hoútos [3778], this), this age. (1) Generally with hoútos (3778), this (Jn 12:25, "in this world," during this life; 18:36, "of this world," meaning this earth; 1Co 5:10; Ep 2:2; 1Jn 4:17). Specifically the wealth and enjoyments of this world, this life's goods (Mt 16:26; Mk 8:36; Lk 9:25; 1Co 3:22; 7:31,33,34; Ga 6:14; Jas 4:4; 1Jn 2:17). (2) Metonymically for the men of this world as opposed to those who seek the kingdom of God, e.g., with hoútos, this (1Co 1:20; 3:19); as subject to Satan, the ruler of this world (Jn 12:31; 14:30; 16:11); without hoútos (Jn 7:7; 14:17; 16:8; 17:6,9; 1Co 1:21; 2Co 7:10; Phl 2:15; Jas 1:27).

rogerg · Mar 2, 2023

Sipsey said:

It’s actually a simple task to figure out which world is spoken of in Jon 3:16–here is a summation of the Greek word used that’s translated as “World,” and its various shades of meaning.No need to speculate;

2889. κόσμος kósmos; gen. kósmou, masc. noun probably from koméō (n.f.), to take care of. World, with its primary meaning being order, regular disposition and arrangement.
(B) The earth, this lower world as the abode of man. (1) The then-known world and particularly the people who lived in it (Mk 16:15; Jn 16:21,28; 21:25; 1Ti 3:16; 1Pe 5:9; 2Pe 3:6). To come or be sent into the world means to be born, as in Jn 1:9. To go forth into the world means to appear before men as in Jn 3:17,19; 6:14; 1Ti 1:15; Heb 10:5; 1Jn 4:1,9; 2Jn 7. Hyperbolically (Mt 4:8, "all the kingdoms of the world"; see Ro 1:8). (2) Metonymically, the world meaning the inhabitants of the earth, men, mankind (Mt 5:14; 13:38; Jn 1:29; 3:16; Ro 3:6,19; 1Co 4:13; 2Co 5:19; Heb 11:7; 2Pe 2:5; 1Jn 2:2). Hyperbolically, the world for the multitude, everybody (Jn 7:4 "show thyself to the world" means manifest thyself, do not remain in secret; 12:19); metaphorically, that is openly (Jn 14:22; 18:20; 2Co 1:12). It also stands for the heathen world, the same as tá éthnē (1484), "the nations" (a.t. [Ro 11:12,15 {cf. Lk 12:30}]).
(C) The present world, the present order of things, as opposed to the kingdom of Christ; and hence, always with the idea of transience, worthlessness, and evil both physical and moral, the seat of cares, temptations, irregular desires. It is thus nearly equivalent to ho aiṓn hoútos (aiṓn [165], age; hoútos [3778], this), this age. (1) Generally with hoútos (3778), this (Jn 12:25, "in this world," during this life; 18:36, "of this world," meaning this earth; 1Co 5:10; Ep 2:2; 1Jn 4:17). Specifically the wealth and enjoyments of this world, this life's goods (Mt 16:26; Mk 8:36; Lk 9:25; 1Co 3:22; 7:31,33,34; Ga 6:14; Jas 4:4; 1Jn 2:17). (2) Metonymically for the men of this world as opposed to those who seek the kingdom of God, e.g., with hoútos, this (1Co 1:20; 3:19); as subject to Satan, the ruler of this world (Jn 12:31; 14:30; 16:11); without hoútos (Jn 7:7; 14:17; 16:8; 17:6,9; 1Co 1:21; 2Co 7:10; Phl 2:15; Jas 1:27).

And your conclusion is?

rogerg · Mar 2, 2023

Sipsey said:

It’s actually a simple task to figure out which world is spoken of in Jon 3:16–here is a summation of the Greek word used that’s translated as “World,” and its various shades of meaning.No need to speculate;

2889. κόσμος kósmos; gen. kósmou, masc. noun probably from koméō (n.f.), to take care of. World, with its primary meaning being order, regular disposition and arrangement.
(B) The earth, this lower world as the abode of man. (1) The then-known world and particularly the people who lived in it (Mk 16:15; Jn 16:21,28; 21:25; 1Ti 3:16; 1Pe 5:9; 2Pe 3:6). To come or be sent into the world means to be born, as in Jn 1:9. To go forth into the world means to appear before men as in Jn 3:17,19; 6:14; 1Ti 1:15; Heb 10:5; 1Jn 4:1,9; 2Jn 7. Hyperbolically (Mt 4:8, "all the kingdoms of the world"; see Ro 1:8). (2) Metonymically, the world meaning the inhabitants of the earth, men, mankind (Mt 5:14; 13:38; Jn 1:29; 3:16; Ro 3:6,19; 1Co 4:13; 2Co 5:19; Heb 11:7; 2Pe 2:5; 1Jn 2:2). Hyperbolically, the world for the multitude, everybody (Jn 7:4 "show thyself to the world" means manifest thyself, do not remain in secret; 12:19); metaphorically, that is openly (Jn 14:22; 18:20; 2Co 1:12). It also stands for the heathen world, the same as tá éthnē (1484), "the nations" (a.t. [Ro 11:12,15 {cf. Lk 12:30}]).
(C) The present world, the present order of things, as opposed to the kingdom of Christ; and hence, always with the idea of transience, worthlessness, and evil both physical and moral, the seat of cares, temptations, irregular desires. It is thus nearly equivalent to ho aiṓn hoútos (aiṓn [165], age; hoútos [3778], this), this age. (1) Generally with hoútos (3778), this (Jn 12:25, "in this world," during this life; 18:36, "of this world," meaning this earth; 1Co 5:10; Ep 2:2; 1Jn 4:17). Specifically the wealth and enjoyments of this world, this life's goods (Mt 16:26; Mk 8:36; Lk 9:25; 1Co 3:22; 7:31,33,34; Ga 6:14; Jas 4:4; 1Jn 2:17). (2) Metonymically for the men of this world as opposed to those who seek the kingdom of God, e.g., with hoútos, this (1Co 1:20; 3:19); as subject to Satan, the ruler of this world (Jn 12:31; 14:30; 16:11); without hoútos (Jn 7:7; 14:17; 16:8; 17:6,9; 1Co 1:21; 2Co 7:10; Phl 2:15; Jas 1:27).

Actually, I didn't think I was speculating.

Sipsey · Mar 2, 2023

rogerg said:

The most important question any of us will ever answer, is the one Jesus asked Peter when He asked, “Who do you say I am?”

It behooves each individual to pray, study, and meditate on God’s words, till the sureness of our answer lines up with reality.

rogerg · Mar 2, 2023

Sipsey said:

I don't understand what you mean? What reality? To wait until the end of the world to know? I thought the purpose of
prophecy was so we don't have to wait.

The_Watchers_2017 · Mar 2, 2023

The Topic: Is Salvation for the Whole World as in people/sinners:

What does YHWH say in Ezekiel:

He, God, takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked.

Then says: He wants them to Turn to God...

ANYONE NOTICE GOD ISN'T FORCING ANYONE HERE

and He still wants them to turn to God.

They have to decide on their own.

Now, not sure about anyone else, but my God DOES NOT CHANGE, He is the SAME yesterday, today, and forever.

God ain't forcing a single person to be Saved!!

Sipsey · Mar 2, 2023

rogerg said:

Reality to me is, what is vs. mine, or anyone else’s opinion.

rogerg · Mar 2, 2023

Sipsey said:

And how/where is the "what is" found?

Sipsey · Mar 2, 2023

rogerg said:

Already posted it in #389-read a little closer. If you are not willing to surrender your life and will, for the glory of God, then more prayer is in order.

Pilgrimshope · Mar 2, 2023

ForestGreenCook said:

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

believing the gospel is how a child of God is born

“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Those who accept the gospel can be saved from the condemnation upon all creation , and become the children of God

they have to hear and believe to become by faith

No one is already his child or they wouldn’t have to be born again lol. The fospem is sent to everyone because it’s what hey need to believe to be a child of God

“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Need to hear and accept that a

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

need to hear and believe this to know Gods will for his children

Need to hear this if we want to be Gods children

“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

need to also hear all the things he says about what will happen if we don’t repent hats something Gods children know and believe that’s why e son is teaching it

Everything the son of God says is for the children of God the children of God are those who believe in Jesus Christ the son of God presented to all the world in the Gospel all who believe the real gospel of Jesus Christ , are the children of God

From his birth of a virgin to his baptism and anointing to preach the truth of Gods word forever , his miracles , his mercy and relationship with sinners who were broken and contrite , his kj Kerry and teachings about God and his kingdom and us , his suffering and death , his resurrection and ascention to the throne

the gospel of Matthew is one eye witness of the gospel , the gospel of mark another witness , gospel of Luke another and gospel of John another witness

If we believe the gospel we are born a child of God if we refuse to believe the gospel we remain a child of disobedience and object of wrath

We need salvation because everyone is already condemned by their sins of you’ve ever sinned

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can now be saved through repentance and remission of those sins if we accept the true gospel God sent to save us

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as long as we say “ I can’t choose to repent and believe what God has declared will save my soul “ its binding us from making a choice to believe and saved

Life and death is before everyone because the gospel is in the world before everyone some will hear and believe others won’t but they are free to choose either

HeIsHere · Mar 2, 2023

PennEd said:

Faith comes from being persuaded something is true.

Seems to me scripture answers your question quite clearly, “faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” (Rom 10:17).

If we are called to put our faith in Jesus how can that faith be a gift, seems obvious to me it is something we have to do.

Why does scripture tells us the Gospel is simple, that faith a small as mustard seed can move a mountain.

Why does God require faith if He has to give it to us?

rogerg · Mar 3, 2023

CorrectiveLens said:

Jesus is Lord and God of all creation. He is our savior and our comforter. He sits at the Father's right hand and is sinless because He obeys the Father's will. The Father put all things under Christ's feet except Himself ( 1 Cor 15: 27-28). Christ has His own mind and is not the same entity as the Father. The Father has always existed. Christ was the first living entity formed to accompany the Father. Christ was with the Father in the beginning because the beginning started when Christ proceedeth from the Father. That is why there is a Father and Son relationship. Christ was the Father's Son before He became human. John 16: 27-28 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
Isaiah 43: 10 ... before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. This verse is spoken by Christ because the Father has no beginning but apparently, the God (Christ) in Isaiah 43: 10 had a time that existed before Him which means that He didn't always exist in the past. Actually, the beginning started when Christ was formed out of the Father's essence. Alpha and Omega means the first and the last.
The Holy Spirit is the Father's Spirit (essence) through which He communicates and empowers. The Father operates through His Spirit filled Christ, and Christ operates through His Spirit filled believers. 1 Cor 11: 3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God (the Father). 1 Cor 2: 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.
1 Cor 3: 23 And ye are Christ's, and Christ is God's.
This scripture explains that our relationship to Christ is similar to Christ's relationship to the Father. We belong to Christ because we receive His Spirit and become part of His spiritual body. Christ is filled with the Father's Spirit and is part of the spiritual body of the Father ( His right hand). Since Christ belongs to the Father, we also belong to the Father and are part of His body. Both the Spirit of the Father and Son reside in those that are
saved. We are so unworthy, but Christ makes us worthy. Praise the Lord.

I usually agree with your postings however in this case (if I understand you correctly), I find I must disagree with some of the points you've raised above. Specifically, I believe that Christ was always God, and was not "brought forth" to become God as you seem to say. While it is true that He was born in the flesh and became a man, nevertheless, He was always the one true eternal God.

CorrectiveLens · Mar 3, 2023

rogerg said:

Col 1:15-16 Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions, or principalities, or powers--all things were created by Him, and for Him.
Christ's existence emanated from the Father's essence from which all things exist. Christ is the first living spiritual being that came from the Father. That is why He is the Father's Son. Just like the Father, Christ has His own mind, heart, and soul. Because the Father's essence completely fills Christ's being, Christ, with His free will, chooses to love and obey Him. That is why He sits at the Father's right hand (to do the Father's will). The Father communicates His will to the Son through His essence (the Holy Spirit).

Sipsey · Mar 3, 2023

CorrectiveLens said:

Col 1:15-16 Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions, or principalities, or powers--all things were created by Him, and for Him.
Christ's existence emanated from the Father's essence from which all things exist. Christ is the first living spiritual being that came from the Father. That is why He is the Father's Son. Just like the Father, Christ has His own mind, heart, and soul. Because the Father's essence completely fills Christ's being, Christ, with His free will, chooses to love and obey Him. That is why He sits at the Father's right hand (to do the Father's will). The Father communicates His will to the Son through His essence (the Holy Spirit).

It seems you are taking an English translation as literal, when the Greek and idiomatic phrases often mean something quite close, but not exactly as it’s stated in the English.

ForestGreenCook · Mar 3, 2023

rogerg said:

I'll try, but since it is such an expansive subject, I'm not sure I can explain it all nor even if I fully understand it all. It could
easily be a thread unto itself. I'm unsure exactly what you're looking for, but I'll take a stab at it with the below for starters.
Basically, I believe it to be the world where Christ will reign with those whom He has saved, destroying this current world, replacing it
with that one. We can discuss further if you wish.

(in no particular order - and there are probably even better verses than these which I don't recall at the moment)

[Mar 10:30 KJV]
30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

[Luk 18:30 KJV]
30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.

[Isa 65:17 KJV]
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[2Pe 3:13 KJV]
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

[Rev 21:27 KJV]
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

[2Pe 3:10 KJV]
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

[Mat 24:14 KJV]
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

[Mat 24:35 KJV]
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

[Jhn 18:36 KJV]
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

[Dan 7:18, 22, 27 KJV]
18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. ...
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. ...
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

These scriptures explain eternal heaven, and cannot be the world in the scriptures that I gave you that hates God.

There is a world of believers that God loves as described in John 3:16, and then, there is a world that hates God. The world that God loves is in this world, but not of this world. God does not love the world that hates him, and only chastens those of the world that he so loves.

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