Rev 11, The (Two Witnesses) Will Rule The Tribulation By Plagues And God's Judgement
- Thread starter Truth7t7
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
We will disagree, the question is what does (Deceive The Nations) mean in verse 3 below?
Right before your eyes, verse 7-8 below shows (Deceive The Nations) is to battle, and nothing more.
Revelation 20:3 & 7-8KJV
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Right before your eyes, verse 7-8 below shows (Deceive The Nations) is to battle, and nothing more.
Revelation 20:3 & 7-8KJV
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
(Historicism) falsely answers a very literal chapter of scripture, with symbolism?
Revelation 11
You have a world, plagues, bodies being killed, a street, a Jerusalem, a world watching, gifts being exchanged, a earthquake,?
It's one thing to erase (Two Witnesses) whither symbolic allegory, what you gonna do with the numerous other items in the chapter, please explain its symbolism?
Do you believe Moses/Aaron brought Literal Plagues, Upon a Literal Egypt?
Because Rev 11 is the very same future Literal, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt.
Revelation 11
You have a world, plagues, bodies being killed, a street, a Jerusalem, a world watching, gifts being exchanged, a earthquake,?
It's one thing to erase (Two Witnesses) whither symbolic allegory, what you gonna do with the numerous other items in the chapter, please explain its symbolism?
Do you believe Moses/Aaron brought Literal Plagues, Upon a Literal Egypt?
Because Rev 11 is the very same future Literal, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt.
Because from the unbelievers perspective, (people who only see might, power, etc, from a fleshly point of view), the beast is victorious. But Jesus says,
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Lk.10:19
Yet the Apostles were killed by the devils children. It's imperative to understand the difference between the Lord's perspective and world's perspective to properly interpret the scriptures.
The 7th trump is a period of time (Rev.10:7) being heralded (that's what a trumpet is used for). And what is the purpose of it, but to declare that the kingdoms on earth have become the Lord's. But wait a minute. Do you realize how foolish it is to think there is anything in existence that doesn't beling to God already? What is the purpose of this Book?
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Lk.10:19
Yet the Apostles were killed by the devils children. It's imperative to understand the difference between the Lord's perspective and world's perspective to properly interpret the scriptures.
The 7th trump is a period of time (Rev.10:7) being heralded (that's what a trumpet is used for). And what is the purpose of it, but to declare that the kingdoms on earth have become the Lord's. But wait a minute. Do you realize how foolish it is to think there is anything in existence that doesn't beling to God already? What is the purpose of this Book?
Yeah I considered that but I also know that the dead have been brought back to life before and honestly knowing God it wouldn't matter if they were already dead death was never a limitation for him but it was just guess really I don't have the knowledge in this particular subject to say otherwise
I may do some studies on the two witnesses
I may do some studies on the two witnesses
-
1
- Show all
Yes this is true however it is far to easy to mistake the voice of the spirit with our own when it comes to scripture and sadly often times when you let the spirit speak the truth of scripturee you are often opposed by others who interpret it differently.
This is why it is so important to draw as close to God as possible spending as much time with him as possible developing that intimacy because then you began to know his voice and he speaks all truths to us
This is why it is so important to draw as close to God as possible spending as much time with him as possible developing that intimacy because then you began to know his voice and he speaks all truths to us
Well on one hand if it is speaking of a plague then it is obviously literal fire but if it is coming from their mouths I think it is not literal flames but the searing of the soul and heart that God's word does.
Not to mention he is our defender and always protects his own they would not have any need to protect themselves
Not to mention he is our defender and always protects his own they would not have any need to protect themselves
Yes that's right. It's having Jesus revealed to us that's the important thing.
Why is "the holy city trodden underfoot for 3 1/2 years"?
Is it because the holy city is the body of believers, who testify of Jesus's ministry in the 1st century (lasting 3 1/2 years)? I think it's very likely this is the true meaning of it.
Why is "the holy city trodden underfoot for 3 1/2 years"?
Is it because the holy city is the body of believers, who testify of Jesus's ministry in the 1st century (lasting 3 1/2 years)? I think it's very likely this is the true meaning of it.
-
1
- Show all
Well bible prophecy often times foreshadows itself so it is very possible, but I also think that it also has to do with God dealing with his rebellious children ( the jews) to bring them back to him.
It is a repeated pattern in the bible the Jews rebel go through tribulation and are brought back to their first love and the process seems to contniue even to this day
It is a repeated pattern in the bible the Jews rebel go through tribulation and are brought back to their first love and the process seems to contniue even to this day
Yes it does and for this reasoning, it's sensible that what happened to the Jews will also happen to us. I believe the revealing of Christ is an event that has been repeated throughout history. Of course Jesus's ministry has opened all of it to us, but the symbology of the Book of Revelation to some degree can be seen in every generation.
Direct Question? Do you believe Elijah called literal fire down from heaven as seen in 1 Kings 18:25-40?
The Two Witnesses will kill the enemy by Fire from their mouth?
This fire is brought by their (Words/Mouth), just like when Elijah called fire from heaven, destroying the enemy, 1 Kings 18:25-40
Revelation 11:5KJV
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
The Two Witnesses will kill the enemy by Fire from their mouth?
This fire is brought by their (Words/Mouth), just like when Elijah called fire from heaven, destroying the enemy, 1 Kings 18:25-40
Revelation 11:5KJV
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
I strongly disagree with (Historicisms) teaching.
No Daniel's Abomination didnt take place in 70AD Jerusalem
No The Great Tribulation didnt take place in 70AD Jerusalem
No the Popes thoughout history weren't (The Beast) as seen in Revelation.
No the Popes weren't destroyed at the brightness of the Lords second coming as seen in 2 Thessalonians 2:8
No the literal two witnesses haven't taken place, with literal plagues, upon a literal world.
No the final battle of Armageddon hasn't taken place, that culminates in the second coming of Jesus Christ.
No Daniel's Abomination didnt take place in 70AD Jerusalem
No The Great Tribulation didnt take place in 70AD Jerusalem
No the Popes thoughout history weren't (The Beast) as seen in Revelation.
No the Popes weren't destroyed at the brightness of the Lords second coming as seen in 2 Thessalonians 2:8
No the literal two witnesses haven't taken place, with literal plagues, upon a literal world.
No the final battle of Armageddon hasn't taken place, that culminates in the second coming of Jesus Christ.