Rev 11, The (Two Witnesses) Will Rule The Tribulation By Plagues And God's Judgement
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Fine.
Let the readers consider...
the BASIC MEANING of the word is "DEPARTURE"... and the CONTEXT determines just WHAT KIND of "departure" is meant [note: in 2Th2:3 it is accompanied by the definite article ('the')... and for a reason
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Even in the RELATED word "apostasion [G647]" (where Strong's says of that related word, "properly, something separative,") it also speaks of "a departing/a departure" (at its most basic meaning)...
This is why we see ADDED WORDS in surrounding contexts (like Acts 21:21's "a departure [apostasia] FROM MOSES") that inform JUST WHAT KIND of departure was meant... since the word "apostasia" IN AND OF ITSELF does not carrying the meaning of "FROM THE FAITH" or some such... those words (like "FROM MOSES" / "FROM THE FAITH") must be ADDED to the word itself, see, because it is not inherent in the word.
Carry on...
Let the readers consider...
the BASIC MEANING of the word is "DEPARTURE"... and the CONTEXT determines just WHAT KIND of "departure" is meant [note: in 2Th2:3 it is accompanied by the definite article ('the')... and for a reason
]Even in the RELATED word "apostasion [G647]" (where Strong's says of that related word, "properly, something separative,") it also speaks of "a departing/a departure" (at its most basic meaning)...
This is why we see ADDED WORDS in surrounding contexts (like Acts 21:21's "a departure [apostasia] FROM MOSES") that inform JUST WHAT KIND of departure was meant... since the word "apostasia" IN AND OF ITSELF does not carrying the meaning of "FROM THE FAITH" or some such... those words (like "FROM MOSES" / "FROM THE FAITH") must be ADDED to the word itself, see, because it is not inherent in the word.
Carry on...
Rev.11:4 says they stand before the Theos, meaning God.
And people who abuse God's servants arent killed immediately, but will be later because of the word spoken to them as Jesus said,
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Jn.12:48
And,
He that hearethyou heareth me; and he thatdespiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. Lk.10:16
So, "he must in this manner be killed." Rev.11:5
And people who abuse God's servants arent killed immediately, but will be later because of the word spoken to them as Jesus said,
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. Jn.12:48
And,
He that hearethyou heareth me; and he thatdespiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. Lk.10:16
So, "he must in this manner be killed." Rev.11:5
The fact is, the 144,000 are redeemed born again Christians, they have been added to the Church on earth, they are preaching the (Everlasting Gospel) in the death,burial,resurrection, and salvation in the blood of Calvary.
Will you claim these redeemed are not redeemed through the blood shed upon Calvary?
Will you claim these redeemed 144,000 have a different path of redemption than the Church and Calvary?
Colossians 1:14KJV
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Revelation 14:4-7KJV
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Will you claim these redeemed are not redeemed through the blood shed upon Calvary?
Will you claim these redeemed 144,000 have a different path of redemption than the Church and Calvary?
Colossians 1:14KJV
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Revelation 14:4-7KJV
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Carry your logic out.
Church falling away serves either side.
No point to be made.
Church departing is the literal translation.(or literally "from standing").
Could be the rapture.
Interesting how the literal opposed is what is the roadblock to your understanding.
For the pretrib adherent it can read either way...too funny.
But even "ac revealed" does zero for either side.
Jesus was revealed BEFORE he operated in power.
As was Joseph and David.
Revealed to the bride/remnant.
Those not looking for Jesus will be easily decieved.
They will not recognize the ac either....
Pssst....things are spiritually discerned,not mentally.
Your mind will never agree with our verses because your mind takes them off the table.
Church falling away serves either side.
No point to be made.
Church departing is the literal translation.(or literally "from standing").
Could be the rapture.
Interesting how the literal opposed is what is the roadblock to your understanding.
For the pretrib adherent it can read either way...too funny.
But even "ac revealed" does zero for either side.
Jesus was revealed BEFORE he operated in power.
As was Joseph and David.
Revealed to the bride/remnant.
Those not looking for Jesus will be easily decieved.
They will not recognize the ac either....
Pssst....things are spiritually discerned,not mentally.
Your mind will never agree with our verses because your mind takes them off the table.
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Of course you disagree, you have a Pre-Determined bias, as you believe and teach a pre-trib rapture
You falsely claim (Falling Away) in 2 Thess 2:3 with the supporting Greek word (Apostasia) is a pre-trib rapture, you give complete disregard to the fact that the root word for the English (Apostasy) is the Greek word (Apostasia) meaning the abandonment of a religious or political belief as seen below.
This is a perfect example, at how far one will go in a Pre-Determined bias, disregarding truth presented.
As 2 Thess 2:3 (Destroys) the pre-trib position, as the church will be present on earth to witness the Man Of Sin revealed.
Google Dictionary: Apostasy
noun
Your claim 2 Thess 2:3 (Falling Away) represents a future pre-trib rapture is pinocchio's nose>>>>>>>>> is growing again
Strong’s Definitions
ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake.
You falsely claim (Falling Away) in 2 Thess 2:3 with the supporting Greek word (Apostasia) is a pre-trib rapture, you give complete disregard to the fact that the root word for the English (Apostasy) is the Greek word (Apostasia) meaning the abandonment of a religious or political belief as seen below.
This is a perfect example, at how far one will go in a Pre-Determined bias, disregarding truth presented.
As 2 Thess 2:3 (Destroys) the pre-trib position, as the church will be present on earth to witness the Man Of Sin revealed.
Google Dictionary: Apostasy
noun
- the abandonment or renunciation of a religious or political belief.
Your claim 2 Thess 2:3 (Falling Away) represents a future pre-trib rapture is pinocchio's nose>>>>>>>>> is growing again
Strong’s Definitions
ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake.