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1 Peter 1v13-16
13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; 15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”
Why is this confusing to so many here?
> Revelation of Jesus Christ
>>Grace is brought/given (Holy Spirit)
>>>Obedience flows herefrom, and is your choice.
>>>>Holiness is a requirement post your conversion experience.
>>>>>If the above wasn't necessary, it wouldnt be included in the Word of God.
13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14 as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; 15 but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.”
Why is this confusing to so many here?
> Revelation of Jesus Christ
>>Grace is brought/given (Holy Spirit)
>>>Obedience flows herefrom, and is your choice.
>>>>Holiness is a requirement post your conversion experience.
>>>>>If the above wasn't necessary, it wouldnt be included in the Word of God.
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lol, ya gotta love it..
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I see you are relatively new here
you have no obligation to answer people who think they run the place
they don't
you have no obligation to answer people who think they run the place
they don't
Because, in their minds? They do indeed run the place.
You could ask 'em. But, they'd deny it!
Being the good christian people they are.
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But here is the problem. The abuse of Grace. And that, I fear, is where the confusion lies. Jude says: 4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about[b] long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
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yet you can do whatever you want as long as you do whatever you think it is to be forgiven
i can do whatever I want (all things are lawful as Paul say) it does not mean I WANT to do whatever I want, I KNOW There are some things that if I do it will not benefit me, it will in fact hurt myself and most probably others (bot not all things are profitable)
plus as i said in another thread, there are some things you do which really gets you down, it hurts, it tastes bad, it causes pain, plus we feel bad because we let our father down.
sorry, but you do not seem to understand what it means to be made a new creature amd how sin is poison, and how we want to please our father especially after al he sacrificed for us
i can do whatever I want (all things are lawful as Paul say) it does not mean I WANT to do whatever I want, I KNOW There are some things that if I do it will not benefit me, it will in fact hurt myself and most probably others (bot not all things are profitable)
plus as i said in another thread, there are some things you do which really gets you down, it hurts, it tastes bad, it causes pain, plus we feel bad because we let our father down.
sorry, but you do not seem to understand what it means to be made a new creature amd how sin is poison, and how we want to please our father especially after al he sacrificed for us
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those people abused the gospel by wanting it both ways, sin and salvation, they never repented, as Jude said, they deny Jesus, their future was alreadynset in stone
they were never saved, no more than the jews in galations who tried to pervert the gospel by adding works
both gospels are rooted in pride.
they were never saved, no more than the jews in galations who tried to pervert the gospel by adding works
both gospels are rooted in pride.
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actually What I want to do is share with you how to become a true believer and how real discipleship and sanctification takes place
my stupid cult? I will tell God you called his body a cult, oh wait, he does not need me to tell him, he is all knowing.
Can you answer my question? What is man made works? What defines them?
my stupid cult? I will tell God you called his body a cult, oh wait, he does not need me to tell him, he is all knowing.
Can you answer my question? What is man made works? What defines them?