Prophesied by Joel...

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that because you are a rebel. we are all part of the Body of Christ, and He is the head of that body. 1Corthians Paul teaches the Body and how the gifts of the Holy Spirit are needed in the church setting. And Jesus said that too in Actsa 1:8 and MARK 16 AND in Luke 24:49 :)
Yep, in the same letter you mentioned, Paul teaches clear that not all will get the gift of speaking in tongues. 1. COR 12,30. You telling me that I ignore the scripture. What you are doing? 1. COR 12,30 fits not in your view. So you ignore this vers!
 
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I have answered your posts with scripture. It is written/revealed in all detailed accounts that 100% of those who received the Holy Spirit spoke in tongues. It is your perogative whether to accept or reject what scripture reveals.
No, you did not. I asked you if believers which are not speaking in tongues then have the Holy Spirit and be saved. According your claim everybody who is not speaking in tongues has also not the Holy Spirit. And who has not the Spirit has also not the life.
Is this correct? A yes ore a no would be sufficient.
 

Edify

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I ignore not the scripture, but false teachings.
You interprete the scripture according your view. Well you can do it. But it is no guarant for the truth.
That sounds good until people notice you're not stating any biblical facts at all.
Believe whatever you want - your choice. But remember you answer for your choices, as well as what(who) motivates you to choose them.
 

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In Acts 2, those hearing people speak in languages ask what it means. Some marvel at the miracle, while others mock.
Peter gave a direct answer. This is that which was prophesied by Joel. "This" the "speaking in tongues" that you are now seeing and hearing is what Joel prophesied about. The prophecy is specific, in the last days I will pour out my Spirit. In other words, when you see someone speaking in tongues it means they have received the Holy Spirit as prophesied by Joel.

Some ask, If speaking in tongues is the evidence that accompanies receiving of the Holy Spirit, why doesn't the Bible just plainly say so? The Bible actually does say it plainly; in story form. When the question was asked, what does this speaking in tongues mean? Peter gives them a direct answer straight from Joel's prophecy. So, when you see someone speaking in tongues you know they have received the Holy Spirit.

"Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." (Acts 2:33)

Acts 2, 10, and 19 set the pattern. Each confirms speaking in tongues is the direct evidence of the initial indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10 - they heard them speak in tongues. That experience confirmed to Peter and others that the individuals had actually received the Holy Spirit. And as seen elsewhere in scripture nothing other than tongues confirms the initial experience; not believing in Jesus, saying a sinner's prayer, or having strong feelings, etc.

Acts 11 - Peter gives an account of what occurred in Acts 10. He indicates the people spoke in tongues proving they had received the Holy Spirit and as such God intended they be water baptized in the name of Jesus as well.

Acts 19:6-7 (This is the last detailed account some 20+ years after the witness of the truth revealed at Pentecost)
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
And all the men were about twelve.


A Visible Sign of the Invisible:

Acts 8 - Confirms receiving the Holy Spirit is identifiable.
How could the people be so sure that those who believed and were water baptized had not received the Holy Spirit? And what made the people so sure that the experience had occurred a few days later? (Acts 8:14-19)

Clearly it was not just the laying on of hands that proved the experience occurred. Simon wanted to buy the ability to do what he witnessed when the apostles laid hands on the people. Think about it. There's no need to pay to have the ability to lay hands on a person. It is clear he wanted to buy the power to demonstrate the receiving of the Holy Spirit.

(There must have been a definite, supernatural
sign for Simon the Magician to be impressed enough to
desire it. Simon apparently wanted to buy and use this
miracle in his magical shows; he desired the power to lay
hands on people and have the miraculous sign manifest
itself.) New Birth-Bernard

As revealed elsewhere in scripture, speaking in tongues is the visible sign God chose to reveal when the invisible Holy Spirit initially enters one's body.

God chose the sign. And He certainly does not have to explain Himself. However, some biblical records point to the possible reason why He did it.

1. Tower of Babel = God used tongues as a means to separate people who were disobedient. A reversal of this is seen at Pentecost. God is bringing people back into one body - into unity.

2. James 3 - reveals human beings cannot tame the unruly tongue. However, God can and does when people submit to Him. Speaking in tongues is a conscious act of surrender.

3. There are many external signs when the Holy Spirit is present in an area. As to Pentecost, the wind indicated the Holy Spirit had arrived in the upper room. And flaming tongues sat atop each person revealing that what was about to happen was for all individually.

Speaking in tongues is different in that the sign comes from the inside out after God has taken up residence in one's body.
Please note that the visible tongue was "like" fire. It was not fire. This misinterpretation has led to false doctrines and deceptive signs and wonders. People who seek God's fire are ignorant of what that means. God's fire is God's judgement. He is a consuming fire. God's fire consumed those who came to arrest Elijah. When James and John asked if they should call down fire from heaven, (Luke 9:54) Jesus rebuked them.

There is an old Pentecostal hymn, "Let the Fire Fall". It was sung quite often at the church I attended 45 years ago. I could not warm (pun intended) to the song, but I did not know why. That church got what it asked for. I left beforehand, but there was such a shaking that most people left, the pastor had to find a new building and only a handful of people followed him to the new premises.

Personally, I prefer mercy and grace to God's judgement. I was not always like that. As an immature believer, I was legalistic and religious. That's no fun at all. There is no joy in legalism and no peace either.
 

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That sounds good until people notice you're not stating any biblical facts at all.
Believe whatever you want - your choice. But remember you answer for your choices, as well as what(who) motivates you to choose them.
Btw I stated biblical facts! But they fit not in the believesystem of some.