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I understand the seriousness of sin and the theological implications associated with it. it's important to acknowledge that the consequences of sin are significant, and the Bible clearly communicates the gravity of sin. However, it's also essential to recognize the redemptive message of the Gospel, which offers forgiveness and reconciliation through Jesus Christ.
When addressing the issue of sin and its consequences, it's important to emphasize the need for genuine repentance, seeking forgiveness, and striving to live in accordance with God's will. While the impact of sin is profound, the hope and promise of redemption through Christ's atoning sacrifice are central to the Christian faith.
In navigating discussions about sin and its implications, it's crucial to approach the topic with humility, compassion, and a commitment to upholding the truth of Scripture while also extending grace and understanding to others. The message of the Gospel is one of restoration and transformation, and it is through this lens that we engage with the reality of sin and its effects.
J.
When addressing the issue of sin and its consequences, it's important to emphasize the need for genuine repentance, seeking forgiveness, and striving to live in accordance with God's will. While the impact of sin is profound, the hope and promise of redemption through Christ's atoning sacrifice are central to the Christian faith.
In navigating discussions about sin and its implications, it's crucial to approach the topic with humility, compassion, and a commitment to upholding the truth of Scripture while also extending grace and understanding to others. The message of the Gospel is one of restoration and transformation, and it is through this lens that we engage with the reality of sin and its effects.
J.
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Romans 3:23: "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
Romans 6:23: "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
1 John 1:9: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
2 Corinthians 5:17: "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!"
Ephesians 2:8-9: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast."
These verses emphasize the reality of sin and its consequences, but also the hope and promise of redemption through faith in Jesus Christ. They underscore the importance of repentance, forgiveness, and transformation through the power of the Holy Spirit.
J.
Romans 6:23: "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
1 John 1:9: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."
2 Corinthians 5:17: "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!"
Ephesians 2:8-9: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast."
These verses emphasize the reality of sin and its consequences, but also the hope and promise of redemption through faith in Jesus Christ. They underscore the importance of repentance, forgiveness, and transformation through the power of the Holy Spirit.
J.
Whilst you believe I may not be interested in the word, that is solely down to how you perceive your own, understanding, so far to me you have demonstrated that, you like to be cleaver, you like to correct what need not be corrected, and you like to break down scripture that need not be broken down, even the most simplest of scriptures you like to break down into a complex matter,
Whilst you also believe there is something wrong with being a simpleton, the word of God is for everyone.
The very fact that you challenge the biggest warning of all, says one thing only to me, which is you worship the sound of your own voice 😊
Whilst you also believe there is something wrong with being a simpleton, the word of God is for everyone.
The very fact that you challenge the biggest warning of all, says one thing only to me, which is you worship the sound of your own voice 😊
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But we also must remember, the penalty of sin is death.
This is a statement of fact that should not be taken lightly.
If I say I white lie. the penalty is death
If I know to do good but do not do it. the penalty is death
If I serve self and reject to serve someone less. the penalty is death
If I murder someone, the penalty is death
If I dishonor my parents, the penalty is death
If I Covet what my neighbor has, The penalty is death
If I lust a woman sexually - the penalty is death (even if I did not follow through)
it does not matter how small or how great my sin is, the penalty is death.
People do not like the fact, that each of is individually are just as guilty and deserving of death as Adolf Hitler and all the other evil people on earth. Our flesh refuses to allow us to see it we are just as eveil as them when it comes to God (for all have sinned)
To many people think they can commit these small sins, Confess it, or do some other work. and the sin is taken care of.
The penalty of death, We can not pay for that sin.. so to say we can do this and God will forget it and will not charge us with that sin based on what we did is an error.
This is a statement of fact that should not be taken lightly.
If I say I white lie. the penalty is death
If I know to do good but do not do it. the penalty is death
If I serve self and reject to serve someone less. the penalty is death
If I murder someone, the penalty is death
If I dishonor my parents, the penalty is death
If I Covet what my neighbor has, The penalty is death
If I lust a woman sexually - the penalty is death (even if I did not follow through)
it does not matter how small or how great my sin is, the penalty is death.
People do not like the fact, that each of is individually are just as guilty and deserving of death as Adolf Hitler and all the other evil people on earth. Our flesh refuses to allow us to see it we are just as eveil as them when it comes to God (for all have sinned)
To many people think they can commit these small sins, Confess it, or do some other work. and the sin is taken care of.
The penalty of death, We can not pay for that sin.. so to say we can do this and God will forget it and will not charge us with that sin based on what we did is an error.
"Your faith has been tried in fire": This phrase suggests that our faith is tested and refined like gold in a furnace (see 1 Peter 1:7). When our faith is put to the test, it reveals the genuineness of our belief and trust in God.
"through God's will (grace)": This phrase indicates that God initiates and enables our salvation through His sovereign will and grace. Our salvation is a gift from God, and it cannot be earned or achieved through our own efforts (Ephesians 2:8-9).
"to give you salvation": This phrase emphasizes that God desires to bestow salvation upon us. Salvation is the ultimate goal of God's redeeming work in our lives.
"If your faith is not genuine...": This conditional clause introduces a hypothetical scenario. If someone's faith is not genuine, then...
"no grace will come your way": This concluding statement suggests that without genuine faith, a person will not receive God's grace and salvation. Faith and grace are intrinsically connected, and genuine faith leads to receiving God's grace and salvation.
To summarize, the given statement reflects a biblically sound perspective on the relationship between faith, grace, and salvation. Our faith is tested and refined through God's will and grace, and genuine faith leads to receiving God's salvation. Conversely, if our faith is not genuine, we will not receive God's grace and salvation.
"through God's will (grace)": This phrase indicates that God initiates and enables our salvation through His sovereign will and grace. Our salvation is a gift from God, and it cannot be earned or achieved through our own efforts (Ephesians 2:8-9).
"to give you salvation": This phrase emphasizes that God desires to bestow salvation upon us. Salvation is the ultimate goal of God's redeeming work in our lives.
"If your faith is not genuine...": This conditional clause introduces a hypothetical scenario. If someone's faith is not genuine, then...
"no grace will come your way": This concluding statement suggests that without genuine faith, a person will not receive God's grace and salvation. Faith and grace are intrinsically connected, and genuine faith leads to receiving God's grace and salvation.
To summarize, the given statement reflects a biblically sound perspective on the relationship between faith, grace, and salvation. Our faith is tested and refined through God's will and grace, and genuine faith leads to receiving God's salvation. Conversely, if our faith is not genuine, we will not receive God's grace and salvation.
You should talk. I had you on Ignore for you doing just that.
And, you continue.
But, you said you wanted me to show you some "Christianity" when I rebuked you.
You're a classroom disruptor.
You are not interested in learning truth........
Have seen your kind before.... And, did not like them then, even when it was in a secular setting.
What ever we are in our flesh we will be manifesting it if we refuse to walk in the Spirit.
Back on Ignore.. Hope others learn not to feed the termites.
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And, you continue.
But, you said you wanted me to show you some "Christianity" when I rebuked you.
You're a classroom disruptor.
You are not interested in learning truth........
Have seen your kind before.... And, did not like them then, even when it was in a secular setting.
What ever we are in our flesh we will be manifesting it if we refuse to walk in the Spirit.
Back on Ignore.. Hope others learn not to feed the termites.
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Evil is a "system" ... and organized system for promoting sinning.
Sin is not a system for anything.
Example:
Sin is the result of following an impulse from the flesh. It can be mindless and impulsive in action.
Evil has its way by using your ability to sin to do its bidding in destroying God's system for preserving law and order.
Sin is not a system for anything.
Example:
Sin is the result of following an impulse from the flesh. It can be mindless and impulsive in action.
Evil has its way by using your ability to sin to do its bidding in destroying God's system for preserving law and order.
You can not get re-saved.
But, God's salvation for man has a dual salvation in the process.
When we believe in Jesus Christ we are saved once and for all - forever - from the Lake of Fire.
But... After we are saved? God wants us to learn and walk in His Word with *accuracy* and sound thinking.
To do so, sound doctrine must prevail as for us to become progressively saved more and more from the evil
and powers wishing to be ruling our everyday lives.
Peter speaks of this as "the salvation of our souls." Which is a process by faith of becoming progressively saved
more and more from the evil powers in society and in our personal circle, wishing to be ruling our everyday lives.
Our "faith" - is what we choose to believe. God must test what we choose to believe to see if our faith is genuine.
If our faith is genuine? We will reap what God will sow for us - blessings.
If not genuine? That believer walking in false faith and will reap what he sows.
Here is what Peter says to us about the salvation we are tested for after being saved!...
grace and peace ...............
But, God's salvation for man has a dual salvation in the process.
When we believe in Jesus Christ we are saved once and for all - forever - from the Lake of Fire.
But... After we are saved? God wants us to learn and walk in His Word with *accuracy* and sound thinking.
To do so, sound doctrine must prevail as for us to become progressively saved more and more from the evil
and powers wishing to be ruling our everyday lives.
Peter speaks of this as "the salvation of our souls." Which is a process by faith of becoming progressively saved
more and more from the evil powers in society and in our personal circle, wishing to be ruling our everyday lives.
Our "faith" - is what we choose to believe. God must test what we choose to believe to see if our faith is genuine.
If our faith is genuine? We will reap what God will sow for us - blessings.
If not genuine? That believer walking in false faith and will reap what he sows.
Here is what Peter says to us about the salvation we are tested for after being saved!...
In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer
grief in all kinds of trials. These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith
—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in
praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. Though you have not seen him,
you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled
with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the end result of your faith,
the salvation of your souls.
Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you,
searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances
to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the
Messiah and the glories that would follow.
1 Peter 1:6-11
grace and peace ...............
Faith still has to be tested in fire,.there's no getting out of it.
Peter 1:7
7 These trials will show that your faith is genuine. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold—though your faith is far more precious than mere gold. So when your faith remains strong through many trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world.
Peter 1:7
7 These trials will show that your faith is genuine. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold—though your faith is far more precious than mere gold. So when your faith remains strong through many trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world.
And what is the purpose of the trying of our Faith?
In 1 Peter 1:7, the apostle Peter writes about the trials and tribulations experienced by followers of Christ, stating that these trials serve to reveal the genuineness of their faith and ultimately lead to praise, glory, and honor when Christ returns
. The text reads:
So that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ
Peter compares the value of faith to gold, suggesting that faith becomes increasingly valuable as it is tested through trials. The metaphor of fire testing gold indicates that the process of refining faith is painful but necessary for growth and purification. By remaining steadfast through trials, believers demonstrate true faith and earn the promise of future rewards.
Confidence in the ultimate outcome of trials stems from the belief that God is sovereign and works all things for the good of those who love Him (Romans 8:28)
. Believers are encouraged to view trials as opportunities for growth rather than punitive measures imposed by God. They are reminded that God disciplines those whom He loves (Hebrews 12:6), and that He uses trials to develop virtues such as patience, endurance, and faith (James 1:2-4)
Throughout history, numerous examples of believers emerging stronger from trials abound, demonstrating the transformative power of faith in the midst of difficulty (see e.g., Joseph, Moses, and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the Old Testament)
. These accounts inspire confidence in the ability of faith to sustain believers through trials and to produce lasting benefits.
J.
In 1 Peter 1:7, the apostle Peter writes about the trials and tribulations experienced by followers of Christ, stating that these trials serve to reveal the genuineness of their faith and ultimately lead to praise, glory, and honor when Christ returns
. The text reads:
So that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ
Peter compares the value of faith to gold, suggesting that faith becomes increasingly valuable as it is tested through trials. The metaphor of fire testing gold indicates that the process of refining faith is painful but necessary for growth and purification. By remaining steadfast through trials, believers demonstrate true faith and earn the promise of future rewards.
Confidence in the ultimate outcome of trials stems from the belief that God is sovereign and works all things for the good of those who love Him (Romans 8:28)
. Believers are encouraged to view trials as opportunities for growth rather than punitive measures imposed by God. They are reminded that God disciplines those whom He loves (Hebrews 12:6), and that He uses trials to develop virtues such as patience, endurance, and faith (James 1:2-4)
Throughout history, numerous examples of believers emerging stronger from trials abound, demonstrating the transformative power of faith in the midst of difficulty (see e.g., Joseph, Moses, and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the Old Testament)
. These accounts inspire confidence in the ability of faith to sustain believers through trials and to produce lasting benefits.
J.
Well its to see if your faith is genuine
Peter 1:7
7 These trials will show that your faith is genuine. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold—though your faith is far more precious than mere gold. So when your faith remains strong through many trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world.
Peter 1:7
7 These trials will show that your faith is genuine. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold—though your faith is far more precious than mere gold. So when your faith remains strong through many trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world.
So many times I've questioned
Certain circumstances
Things I could not understand
Many times in trials
Weakness blurs my vision
And my frustration gets so out of hand
It's then I am reminded
I've never been forsaken
I've never had to stand the test alone
So, when I look at all the victories
I'm reminded all that God has done for me
And it's through the fire
My weakness is made strong, oh, yeah
He never promised
That the cross would not get heavy
And the hill would not be hard to climb (He never)
He never offered
Our victories without fighting
But He said help would always come in time
Just remember when you're standing
In the valley of decision
And the adversary says give in
Just hold on, our Lord will show up
And He will take you through the fire again
Certain circumstances
Things I could not understand
Many times in trials
Weakness blurs my vision
And my frustration gets so out of hand
It's then I am reminded
I've never been forsaken
I've never had to stand the test alone
So, when I look at all the victories
I'm reminded all that God has done for me
And it's through the fire
My weakness is made strong, oh, yeah
He never promised
That the cross would not get heavy
And the hill would not be hard to climb (He never)
He never offered
Our victories without fighting
But He said help would always come in time
Just remember when you're standing
In the valley of decision
And the adversary says give in
Just hold on, our Lord will show up
And He will take you through the fire again
Yes, I know within myself
That I would surely perish
But if I trust by the hand of God
He'll shield the flames again, again
No, He never promised
That the cross would not get heavy
And the hill would not be hard to climb (He never)
No, no, He never offered
Our victories without fighting
He said help would always come in time, oh...
Just remember when you're standing
In the valley of decision
And the adversary says give in
You just hold on, our Lord will show up
And He will take you through the fire again
So, just hold on, our Lord will show up
And He will take you through the fire again
(Never leave you)
Said He'd never leave me alone, no
(Never leave you)
Said He'd never leave me alone, no, no, no
Said He'd never leave me alone
The lyrics speak to the idea that trials and tribulations are a natural part of life, but that God is always present to help us through them. The song emphasizes the importance of faith and trust in God, even in the midst of difficult circumstances. The repeated refrain of "through the fire" suggests that God is with us even in the most challenging times, and that our faith can be strengthened through adversity.
Certain circumstances
Things I could not understand
Many times in trials
Weakness blurs my vision
And my frustration gets so out of hand
It's then I am reminded
I've never been forsaken
I've never had to stand the test alone
So, when I look at all the victories
I'm reminded all that God has done for me
And it's through the fire
My weakness is made strong, oh, yeah
He never promised
That the cross would not get heavy
And the hill would not be hard to climb (He never)
He never offered
Our victories without fighting
But He said help would always come in time
Just remember when you're standing
In the valley of decision
And the adversary says give in
Just hold on, our Lord will show up
And He will take you through the fire again
Certain circumstances
Things I could not understand
Many times in trials
Weakness blurs my vision
And my frustration gets so out of hand
It's then I am reminded
I've never been forsaken
I've never had to stand the test alone
So, when I look at all the victories
I'm reminded all that God has done for me
And it's through the fire
My weakness is made strong, oh, yeah
He never promised
That the cross would not get heavy
And the hill would not be hard to climb (He never)
He never offered
Our victories without fighting
But He said help would always come in time
Just remember when you're standing
In the valley of decision
And the adversary says give in
Just hold on, our Lord will show up
And He will take you through the fire again
Yes, I know within myself
That I would surely perish
But if I trust by the hand of God
He'll shield the flames again, again
No, He never promised
That the cross would not get heavy
And the hill would not be hard to climb (He never)
No, no, He never offered
Our victories without fighting
He said help would always come in time, oh...
Just remember when you're standing
In the valley of decision
And the adversary says give in
You just hold on, our Lord will show up
And He will take you through the fire again
So, just hold on, our Lord will show up
And He will take you through the fire again
(Never leave you)
Said He'd never leave me alone, no
(Never leave you)
Said He'd never leave me alone, no, no, no
Said He'd never leave me alone
The lyrics speak to the idea that trials and tribulations are a natural part of life, but that God is always present to help us through them. The song emphasizes the importance of faith and trust in God, even in the midst of difficult circumstances. The repeated refrain of "through the fire" suggests that God is with us even in the most challenging times, and that our faith can be strengthened through adversity.