Predestination; are fates set in some cases?

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You made the accusation. Show me where I have. You should be able to.
Well, I think you were talking about a guy named Andrew, I believe he is banned now. I am not sure on what thread it was. But you spoke of him in not the friendliest manner before he was banned. But you know better than I do.
 

Aaron56

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I see… Let me wait for a new member to say something, I disagree with, then I will gather the long time members against them.

White Jesus? What race of people fulfilled these prophecies…

1. Israel to be great and mighty nation. Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.

2. Israel to have multitudinous seed. Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17; 24:60; 26:4, 24; 28:3, 14; 32:12; 49:22; Isa. 10:22; Hos. 1:10; Zech. 10:7,8.

3. Israel to spread abroad to the West, East, North and South. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5, 6.

4. Israel to have a new home. 2nd Sam. 7:10; 1st Chron. 17:9.

5. Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine. Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18.

6. Israel to live in islands and coasts of the earth. Isa. 41:1; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 31:7-10.

7. Israel to become a company of nations. Gen. 17:4-6, 15,16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.

8. Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within Israel). 2nd Sam. 7:13,19; 1st Chron. 22:10; 2nd Chron. 13:5; Psa. 89:20, 37; Eze. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21, 26.

9. Israel to colonize and spread abroad. Gen. 28:14; 49:22; Deut. 32:8; 33:17; Psa. 2:8; Isa. 26:15; 27:6; 54:2; Zech. 10:8,9.

10. Israel to colonize the desolate place of the earth. Isa. 35:1; 43:19, 20; 49:8; 54:3; 58:11, 12.
11. Israel to lose a colony, then expand, demanding more room. Isa. 49:19, 20.

12. Israel to have all the land needed. Deut. 32:8.

13. Israel to be the first among the nations. Gen. 27:29; 28:13; Jer. 31:7.

14. Israel to continue as a nation forever. 2nd Sam. 7:16, 24, 29; 1st Chron. 17:22-27; Jer. 31:35-37.

15. Israel's home to be invincible to outside forces. 2nd Sam. 7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.

16. Israel to be undefeatable - defended by God. Num. 24:8, 9; Isa. 15-17; Micah 5:8, 9.

17. Israel to be God's instrument in destroying evil. Jer. 51:20; 51:19-24; Dan. 2:34, 35.

18. Israel to have a land of great mineral wealth. Gen. 49:25, 26; Deut. 8:9; 33:15-19.

19. Israel to have a land of great agricultural wealth. Gen. 27:28; Deut. 8:7, 9; 28:11; 33:13, 14, 28.

20. Israel to be rich by trading. Isa. 60:5-11; 61:6.

21. Israel to be envied and feared by all nations. Deut. 2:25; 4:8; 28:10; Isa. 43:4; 60:10, 12; Micah 7:16, 17; Jer. 33:9.

22. Israel to lend to other nations, borrowing of none. Deut. 15:6; 28.12.

23. Israel to have a new name. Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.

24. Israel to have a new language. Isa. 28:11 (The Bible, by means of which God speaks now to Israel, is English not Hebrew).

25. Israel to possess the gates of his enemies. Gen. 22:17.

26. Israel to find the aborigines diminishing before them. Deut. 33:17; Isa. 60:12.

27. Israel to have control of the seas. Deut. 33:19; Num. 24:7; Psa. 89:25; Isa. 60:5 (F. Fenton translates this last, "when rolls up to you all the wealth of the sea". That could not be unless Israel controlled it).

28. Israel to have a new religion (New Covenant.) Heb. 8:10-13; 9:17; Matt. 10:5-7; Luke 1:77; 2:32; 22:20; John 11:49-52; Gal. 3:13.

29. Israel to lose all trace of her lineage. Isa. 42:16-19; Hos. 1:9, 10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.

30. Israel to keep Sabbath forever (one day in seven set aside). Ex. 31:13, 16, 17; Isa. 58:13, 14.

31. Israel to be called the sons of God (i.e., accept Christianity). Hos. 1:10-11.

32. Israel to be a people saved by the Lord. Deut. 33:27-29; Isa. 41:8-14; 43:1-8;44:1-3;49:25, 26; 52:1-12; 55:3-10, 13; Jer. 46:27, 28; Eze. 34:10-16; Hos. 2:23; 13:9-14; 14:4, 6.

33. Israel to be the custodians of the Oracles (Scriptures) of God. Psa. 147:19, 21; Isa. 59-21.

34. Israel to carry the Gospel to all the world. Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10-12 (witnesses), 21; Micah 5:7.

35. Israel to be kind to the poor and set slaves free. Deut. 15:7, 11; Psa. 72:4; Isa. 42:7; 49:9; 58:6.

36. Israel to be the heir of the world. Rom. 4:13.

37. Israel to be God's Glory. Isa. 46:13; 49:3; 60:1, 2.

38. Israel to possess God's Holy Spirit as well as His Word. Isa. 44:3; 59:21; Hagg. 2:5.

39. Israel to be God's Heritage, formed by God, forever. Deut. 4:20; 7:6; 14:2; 2nd Sam. 7:23; 1st Kings 8:51, 53; Isa. 43:21; 54:5-10; Hos. 2:19, 23; Joel 2:27; Micah 7:14 -18.

40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God. Isa. 41:8-16; 43:10, 21; 44:23; 49:3.

Is Israel Asian? Black?


You’ve spent years studying the words, but you wouldn’t even spend a week studying mine. Glad to how you truly feel.


I wish you and all the other members well …

19 In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips is wise.
In case anyone wants the source of these statements: https://books.google.com/books?id=T...:4-6, 15,16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.&f=false
 

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Well, I think you were talking about a guy named Andrew, I believe he is banned now. I am not sure on what thread it was. But you spoke of him in not the friendliest manner before he was banned. But you know better than I do.
You think? Someone named Andrew? Wow!!! Even if I insinuated someone has acted in a
manner that deserves banning, that does not equate to me trying to get anyone banned.
Speaking of someone in an unfriendly manner does not equate to trying to get anyone
banned, either. If it did, you tried to get me banned! LOL. See how that works? Probably not.
 

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Well, answer the question, where are the descendants of Esau, and what race are they?
The Trans Jordan area. Different displaced ethnic groups that went by various biblical names are still there we just know them by different names today such as the Kurds for one. These former displaced nations mentioned in the bible they have grown to now be their own distinct cultures and mixed ethnicities.

In the nations they survive in today they tend to be called names that denote that they are tent dwellers or nomads. So Edom and other nations while they do not exist today the have been assimilated and today we call them by other names. Edom was conquered by Tiglath-Pileser. Of course the Assyrians had a habit of dispersing any nation they subdued.

Jordan still contains people groups that would still carry DNA markers of those we would know as Edom, Moab, and Ammon. As well as many of these people groups also make up modern Kurds as they mixed with other displaced groups like the Hittites, Mitanni, and Assyrians themselves.

Rus or what we call Russia today was founded by Eastern Slavic Vikings, at least the European side as Russia is so vast it carries many different Ethnic groups.
 
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You think? Someone named Andrew? Wow!!! Even if I insinuated someone has acted in a
manner that deserves banning, that does not equate to me trying to get anyone banned.
Speaking of someone in an unfriendly manner does not equate to trying to get anyone
banned, either. If it did, you tried to get me banned! LOL. See how that works? Probably not.
Ok..it’s scripture… it’s already sourced. By the chp and verse.
 

Magenta

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Well, I think you were talking about a guy named Andrew, I believe he is banned now. I am not sure on what thread
it was. But you spoke of him in not the friendliest manner before he was banned. But you know better than I do.
I just did a search for "Andrew" of my post stream and found zero, nada, zilch in relation to what you accuse me of.

Banned members are still searchable, also.
 

Aaron56

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I just did a search for Andrew of my post stream and found zero, nada, zilch in relation to what you accuse me of.
Is plagiarizing usernames a thing? I think it’s a thing. Yah, it’s a thing.
 

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If I give you historians that agree, you can just say they’re not serious.
If you can reference qualified historians, along with their historical research, that can VERIFY, through historical records (not mere conjecture) that the ancient edomites now compose some major part of the Russian people... I'll be happy to look that over.

I doubt there are historical records to verifying this.
But if you have something, I'll be happy to give it a read.
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Magenta

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Is plagiarizing usernames a thing? I think it’s a thing. Yah, it’s a thing.
I dunno. I do not recall someone named Andrew being banned, or speaking to or about such a person.
Then again, people come and go and many who were once here are now gone; some display as guest
which means they asked to have their account deleted, and their post stream cannot be searched.
Some simply leave never to return, and others are banned. Those two groups of people have searchable
post streams. But notice Tn said I should be able to show something to prove what I said, whereas he
cannot do the same thing. So he wants to hold me to a standard not even he adheres to.
 
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I just did a search for "Andrew" of my post stream and found zero, nada, zilch in relation to what you accuse me of.

Banned members are still searchable, also.
Its the fellow who believed Jesus was God, but didn’t believe Jesus was God. Anyway, if you feel I have wronged you, my apologies. I’m not trying to accuse you of anything, there is already an accuser of the brethren.. But I have a few things I want to read and a couple more post I’m interested in, and I will remove myself.
 

Magenta

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Its the fellow who believed Jesus was God, but didn’t believe Jesus was God. Anyway, if you feel I have wronged you, my apologies. I’m not trying to accuse you of anything, there is already an accuser of the brethren.. But I have a few things I want to read and a couple more post I’m interested in, and I will remove myself.
That was JacobMartin something or other. I did not try to get him banned. I let him know he
could be if he persisted defending his heretical view, and he did, and so he was, eventually.
But I had nothing to do with his being banned. I simply KINDLY let him know he was in danger.
 
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That was JacobMartin something or other. I did not try to get him banned. I let him know he
could be if he persisted defending his heretical view, and he did, and so he was, eventually.
But I had nothing to do with his being banned. I simply KINDLY let him know he was in danger.
Ok… my apologies.
 

Aaron56

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I dunno. I do not recall someone named Andrew being banned, or speaking to or about such a person.
Then again, people come and go and many who were once here are now gone; some display as guest
which means they asked to have their account deleted, and their post stream cannot be searched.
Some simply leave never to return, and others are banned. Those two groups of people have searchable
post streams. But notice Tn said I should be able to show something to prove what I said, whereas he
cannot do the same thing. So he wants to hold me to a standard not even he adheres to.
Are you sure it’s HIS standard? It’s probably someone else’s.
 
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I dunno. I do not recall someone named Andrew being banned, or speaking to or about such a person.
Then again, people come and go and many who were once here are now gone; some display as guest
which means they asked to have their account deleted, and their post stream cannot be searched.
Some simply leave never to return, and others are banned. Those two groups of people have searchable
post streams. But notice Tn said I should be able to show something to prove what I said, whereas he
cannot do the same thing. So he wants to hold me to a standard not even he adheres to.
No… I figured your ability to search this site is far better than mine.