Predestination; are fates set in some cases?

[Magenta]

You can’t be serious, what have I accused you of? Surely if it’s endless you can post something.

Oh my! You don't recall accusing me of trying to get you banned?

How strange that you can be in such denial over this.

It is just a few pages back... shall I go fetch it for you?

 

[Magenta]

Edom is the land of Rosh.

Edomites are the descendants of Esau, and enemies of Israel.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Oh my! You don't recall accusing me of trying to get you banned?

How strange that you can be in such denial over this.

It is just a few pages back... shall I go fetch it for you?

I never said you were trying to get me banned. Yes please fetch it.

 

[Magenta]

I never said you were trying to get me banned. Yes please fetch it.

Clearly you were talking about me, and once again you refuse to own it.

No.. I hate discussing the Bible with lonely old bitter woman who’s choices in
life have left them on a forum on Sunday night trying to get people banned.

 

[Karlon]

if fate is the proper word, it's chosen by free will, by the unbeliever.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Edomites are the descendants of Esau.

Yes… and in what land do these people reside? Esau, Red, Rosh, Russia?

 

[Magenta]

Yes… and in what land do these people reside? Esau, Red, Rosh, Russia?

Not sure how that is germane to why God hated Esau before he was born when it has to
do with his descendants typify being enemies of God (regardless of where they live).

 

[Truthnightmare]

And yet, no scripture to back this up. Btw, Esau did not hate Jacob before he was born.

Ephesians
1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

I never said Jacob hated Esau before he was born.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Not sure how that is germane to why God hated Esau before he was born when it
has to do with his descendants being enemies of God (regardless of where they live).

Well, answer the question, where are the descendants of Esau, and what race are they?

 

[Magenta]

Well, answer the question, where are the descendants of Esau, and what race are they?

I don't know where they all live. I answered your original question.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Clearly you were talking about me, and once again you refuse to own it.

“Trying to get people banned” I wasn’t speaking of myself, that’s why I said people and not me.

 

[Magenta]

“Trying to get people banned” I wasn’t speaking of myself, that’s why I said people and not me.

I don't believe you. And why should I? You deny a lot of things. And you have accused me of other things as well
and now pretend you have not? So much deception in you and then you complain when I liken it to the devil's tactics.

 

[John146]

Ephesians
1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

I never said Jacob hated Esau before he was born.

Do you see that phrase “according as?” It’s taking you back to what was previously said. Verse 4 does not say that he hath chosen us to be in him. That’s how a Calvinist reads it. He makes ”us” the subject rather than the spiritual blessing in verse 3. God chose, before the foundation of the world, that the source of the spiritual blessings would be found in Christ, given to those in him.

 

[Truthnightmare]

I don't know where they all live. I answered your original question.

I don't believe you. And why should I? You deny a lot of things. And you have accused me of other things as well
and now pretend you have not. So much deception in you and then you complain when I liken it to the devil's tactics.

Ok… I’ve never seen anything you posted asked that I be banned. I’ve seen you insinuate others should be..
Believe what you will…

 

[Magenta]

Ok… I’ve never seen anything you posted asked that I be banned. I’ve seen you insinuate others should be..
Believe what you will…

Where have you seen me insinuate others should be banned? You should be able to show us.

Are you referring to me cautioning people that they may be banned for promoting heretical views?

That is hardly insinuating that they should be! I am doing them a solid by letting them know what is not allowed.

It certainly is not trying to get anyone banned as you accused me of doing.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Do you see that phrase “according as?” It’s taking you back to what was previously said. Verse 4 does not say that he hath chosen us to be in him. That’s how a Calvinist reads it. He makes ”us” the subject rather than the spiritual blessing in verse 3. God chose, before the foundation of the world, that the source of the spiritual blessings would be found in Christ, given to those in him.

Does it say “He chose us”’?

 

[Truthnightmare]

Where have you seen me insinuate others should be banned? You should be able to show us.

Are you referring to me cautioning people that they may be banned for promoting heretical views?

That is hardly insinuating that they should be! I am doing them a solid by letting them know what is not allowed.

It certainly is not trying to get anyone banned as you accused me of doing.

Have you never suggested someone should be banned?

 

[maxwel]

Yes… and in what land do these people reside? Esau, Red, Rosh, Russia?

I'd be surprised if any serious historians would claim the Russians are Edomites.

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[Magenta]

then I will gather the long time members against them.

Here is another false accusation against me. Adding to what was said is not "gathering the long time members against" you.

 

[Magenta]

Have you never suggested someone should be banned?

You made the accusation. Show me where I have. You should be able to.