Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."
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aving therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; and having an high priest over the house of God; let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Hebrews 10:19-25 KJV
and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.Hebrews 10:19-25 KJV
Hebrews 10:22-25
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It is written that, as long as the heaven and earth exist, nothing will be erased from the Law until everything there becomes a reality.
Ok, everything there has become a reality to me.
What do you see as the reality of "everything there'? And regarding v. 20, do you see your righteousness as exceeding that of the scribes and Pharisee?
Ok, everything there has become a reality to me.
What do you see as the reality of "everything there'? And regarding v. 20, do you see your righteousness as exceeding that of the scribes and Pharisee?
What does this part about become reality mean the text does not say become reality?
Did heaven and earth pass and have all the prophecies come to be fulfilled, even His second coming?
I have no clue if my "righteousness as exceeding that of the scribes and Pharisees" for multiple reasons, here is what comes to mind.
1. I have sinned and need mercy so I dont know because Im not the judge, saying Im this or that does not make it so, claiming confidence in being saved does not make one saved, see Matt 7
2. On one hand the pharisees seemed pretty evil but on the other there was atleast one of them who seemed to accept Yahshua, so maybe some were good?
3. He is the judge not me
but again I ask:
What does this part about become reality mean the text does not say become reality?
Did heaven and earth pass and have all the prophecies come to be fulfilled, even His second coming?
because you did not quote the verse or clearly explain anything about heaven and earth passing if it did or did not, or if you did answer Im unsure because you said reality? Dontsee that in any translations ive read
Did heaven and earth pass and have all the prophecies come to be fulfilled, even His second coming?
I have no clue if my "righteousness as exceeding that of the scribes and Pharisees" for multiple reasons, here is what comes to mind.
1. I have sinned and need mercy so I dont know because Im not the judge, saying Im this or that does not make it so, claiming confidence in being saved does not make one saved, see Matt 7
2. On one hand the pharisees seemed pretty evil but on the other there was atleast one of them who seemed to accept Yahshua, so maybe some were good?
3. He is the judge not me
but again I ask:
What does this part about become reality mean the text does not say become reality?
Did heaven and earth pass and have all the prophecies come to be fulfilled, even His second coming?
because you did not quote the verse or clearly explain anything about heaven and earth passing if it did or did not, or if you did answer Im unsure because you said reality? Dontsee that in any translations ive read
Any is fine, you just didnt post it, and I asked a specific question about heaven and earth, you answer was unclear
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Matthew 5:18, "For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. "
Did heaven and earth pass?
Is everything about Yahshua fulfilled, even His second coming?
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Matthew 5:18, "For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. "
Did heaven and earth pass?
Is everything about Yahshua fulfilled, even His second coming?
17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
v. 17 introduces the subject as "the Law and the Prophets," and that is what is referenced as that which "will pass" when "all is accomplished." So, I do not see that heaven and earth passing away as the timestamp of "all,' that in this context is that "being accomplished" but rather a timeframe indicated by the qualifying even "until..." The "all" in this context is "the Law and Prophets" is accomplished in Christ when Jesus declared, "It is accomplished."
v. 17 introduces the subject as "the Law and the Prophets," and that is what is referenced as that which "will pass" when "all is accomplished." So, I do not see that heaven and earth passing away as the timestamp of "all,' that in this context is that "being accomplished" but rather a timeframe indicated by the qualifying even "until..." The "all" in this context is "the Law and Prophets" is accomplished in Christ when Jesus declared, "It is accomplished."
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Luke 24:44-46, “And He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all have to be fulfilled that were written in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me. Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it has been written, and so it was necessary for the Messiah to suffer and to rise again from the dead the third day.”
Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”
To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”
Fulfilled already
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”
To be fulfilled in the future
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”
Are you looking outside to see if heaven and earth is still there?
Im by a window, I can say with 100% confidence it has not passed yet
it will happen in the future though:
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”
Im by a window, I can say with 100% confidence it has not passed yet
it will happen in the future though:
Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”
If you need a day I can save my answer to your ? and we can pick up tomorrow? It late here and its been 45 mins on this one question, if I post my answer to your question it might spark more discussion and debate, it not super long but its a full page/post, I tell my beliefs with Scripture to back up why I believe what I do, your call