Paul saw the ten commandments as part of the "ministry of death."
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aving therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; and having an high priest over the house of God; let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.Hebrews 10:19-25 KJV
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For there inRomans 3:19
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law,
that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Romans 6:15-16
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s
slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
From Acts 15:20 plus 28
is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 1:16-17 KJV
Psalms 110:1-4, "יהוה said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.” יהוה sends Your mighty sceptre out of Tsiyon. Rule in the midst of Your enemies! Your people volunteer in the day of Your might, In the splendours of set-apartness! From the womb, from the morning, You have the dew of Your youth! יהוה has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”
Hebrews 5:5-6, "So also the Messiah did not extol Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him, “You are My Son, today I have brought You forth. As He also says in another place, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq,”
Hebrews 5:5-6, "So also the Messiah did not extol Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him, “You are My Son, today I have brought You forth. As He also says in another place, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq,”
If we see Jesus as High Priest Forever, why then could we so readily discount His once and for all offering to be so easily made void by so much as an evil thought?
For the law was given by Moses,
but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 1:17-18 KJV
no one really knew God until he came and spoke his words in the gospel
The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field: the grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever. O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God! Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
Isaiah 40:6-10 KJV
Bout seven hundred years or so later he was born in Jerusalem and spoke and later peter reveals that prophecy was about Jesus word
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
1 Peter 1:22-25 KJV
How can anything make void His offering? The offer remains for all humans.
Are you saying people who reject Him? If someone rejects Him then the offer is still valid but that person will not recieve it
John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
No you haven't offended me in any way I'm almost impossible to offend in a biblical discussion them wrinkles are like war maps ...
I tried to quote you but it came up empty
“For the priesthood being changed (#G3346), there is made of necessity a change (#G3331) also of the law.”
Heb 7:12, this is a verse that it helps to look at the Greek
If one rejects the High Priest's, His, offering as sufficient (that is, refuses to see it as if it were a law sufficient in itself), they would then feel the need to follow another law, though no other would ever be sufficient,
as it is written, "For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second (Hebrews 8:8)."
Or people can not follow Him and reject Him
John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”
I assume this is about me accepting this passage:
Mat 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
Don't lament it brother I think no one is harmed and maybe after some time we will each get a little bit of what the other was saying sometimes letting things sit can really change alot if the spirits right
Remember iron crashing and smashing against other shards of iron sends noises and flashes of sparks but afterwards the blade is a little sharper and more refined ....if no one ever disagreed we could never learn to get through those difficulties I mean eternity is a ling time to live together we better learn to disagree sometimes and love anyways or it could be pretty hairy spending that long together haha
you gotta speak brother cause you know stuff we simply still all have some buggaboos the Lord's working out you are a blessing
I want to add this too, there is " insulted the Spirit of favour"
Hebrews 10:26-31, “For if we sin purposely after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a slaughter offering for sins, but some fearsome anticipation of judgment, and a fierce fire which is about to consume the opponents. Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think shall he deserve who has trampled the Son of Elohim underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was set apart as common, and insulted the Spirit of favour? For we know Him who has said, “Vengeance is Mine, I shall repay, says יהוה.” And again, “יהוה shall judge His people.” It is fearsome to fall into the hands of the living Elohim.”
Dont want to do that one
Am I evil if I beleive this is true?
Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”
or does believeing this and wanting to do as He says make me evil?
John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
because im getting a lot of flak
Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”
or does believeing this and wanting to do as He says make me evil?
John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."
because im getting a lot of flak
Yes but the part that says the leviticle preisthood is who ruled the law . I just wanted to add that to your though
counting the blood of the covenant as common, so that it may be made void by so much as an evil thought, you mean?
I think this is true also
Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail.”
I didnt say that, seems like youre trying to sock puppet me.
I said insulting the Spirit of mercy is bad, I never used the word void, you keep saying that
Hebrews 10:26-31, “For if we sin purposely after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a slaughter offering for sins, but some fearsome anticipation of judgment, and a fierce fire which is about to consume the opponents. Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think shall he deserve who has trampled the Son of Elohim underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was set apart as common, and insulted the Spirit of favour? For we know Him who has said, “Vengeance is Mine, I shall repay, says יהוה.” And again, “יהוה shall judge His people.” It is fearsome to fall into the hands of the living Elohim.”
nothing can make His work void but people can reject Him
Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail.”
I didnt say that, seems like youre trying to sock puppet me.
I said insulting the Spirit of mercy is bad, I never used the word void, you keep saying that
Hebrews 10:26-31, “For if we sin purposely after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a slaughter offering for sins, but some fearsome anticipation of judgment, and a fierce fire which is about to consume the opponents. Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think shall he deserve who has trampled the Son of Elohim underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was set apart as common, and insulted the Spirit of favour? For we know Him who has said, “Vengeance is Mine, I shall repay, says יהוה.” And again, “יהוה shall judge His people.” It is fearsome to fall into the hands of the living Elohim.”
nothing can make His work void but people can reject Him
You aren't evil you just another flawed Christian who's getting better with time trusting Jesus to save you this day
Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
2 Corinthians 5:9-11 KJV
Your an accepted believer of,Jesus and a brother in Christ , it's just we all have imperfections but we don't always recognize them all in ourself because we're not perfect so we sometimes see things differently Paul and Peter argued mark and Paul and Luke and Paul once they got so upset they parted ways even speaking of Luke and Paul but in the end as Paul faced execution he wrote how all had forsaken him but only Luke remained with him and he's asking for mark to come before his trial ..bless you brother my only intent was to make the oath easier ....