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SpeakTruth101

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You aren't evil you just another flawed Christian who's getting better with time trusting Jesus to save you this day

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
2 Corinthians 5:9‭-‬11 KJV


Your an accepted believer of,Jesus and a brother in Christ , it's just we all have imperfections but we don't always recognize them all in ourself because we're not perfect so we sometimes see things differently Paul and Peter argued mark and Paul and Luke and Paul once they got so upset they parted ways even speaking of Luke and Paul but in the end as Paul faced execution he wrote how all had forsaken him but only Luke remained with him and he's asking for mark to come before his trial ..bless you brother my only intent was to make the oath easier ....
Yeah everyone can see the same thing in a different way, my take has always been Yahshua first, His doctrine over all. Since maybe 8 years old, I have sinned by that I know is true
 

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I think this is true also

Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail.”


I didnt say that, seems like youre trying to sock puppet me.

I said insulting the Spirit of mercy is bad, I never used the word void, you keep saying that

Hebrews 10:26-31, “For if we sin purposely after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a slaughter offering for sins, but some fearsome anticipation of judgment, and a fierce fire which is about to consume the opponents. Anyone who has disregarded the Torah of Mosheh dies without compassion on the witness of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think shall he deserve who has trampled the Son of Elohim underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was set apart as common, and insulted the Spirit of favour? For we know Him who has said, “Vengeance is Mine, I shall repay, says יהוה.” And again, “יהוה shall judge His people.” It is fearsome to fall into the hands of the living Elohim.”

nothing can make His work void but people can reject Him
What's sock puppeting someone ? Haha never heard that one
 

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nothing can make His work void but people can reject Him
There's no separating Him from His offering, it is the reason that He came as a Lamb in His first advent, so that He could be killed, willingly laying down his life as the offering. You make that work void if you count so much as an evil thought more effective in cause for your damnation than His offering in cause for your salvation. What sin is more effective than the blood of the covenant in its power to affect your salvation?
 

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Yeah everyone can see the same thing in a different way, my take has always been Yahshua first, His doctrine over all. Since maybe 8 years old, I have sinned by that I know is true
Yeah the sermons of Jesus is what purifies the mind and heart most of his words are imosrting understanding of God to the believers and really aren't commands to do or not do like his parables they are communicating truth understanding of who god is and what Gods will is, whomwe are meant to be , he teaches about his eternal,kingdom that is not of this world ...he teaches us how to change our thinking about God and man and life's purpose and reward ultimately of course he teaches us what to do and not do some also but ....
 

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What's sock puppeting someone ? Haha never heard that one
He is suggesting that I am putting words into his mouth at the same time as claiming that following Jesus requires following the law of Moses, but this in itself is suggesting that Moses' law is greater than Jesus' blood.
 

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What's sock puppeting someone ? Haha never heard that one
so this was their statemet

counting the blood of the covenant as common, so that it may be made void by so much as an evil thought, you mean?
I never said that, I said people can reject Him.

How can anything make void His offering? The offer remains for all humans.

Are you saying people who reject Him? If someone rejects Him then the offer is still valid but that person will not recieve it

There's no separating Him from His offering, it is the reason that He came as a Lamb in His first advent, so that He could be killed, willingly laying down his life as the offering. You make that work void if you count so much as an evil thought more effective in cause for your damnation than His offering in cause for your salvation. What sin is more effective than the blood of the covenant in its power to affect your salvation?
I never said anything like this you are fishing for a reason to accuse me
 

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He is suggesting that I am putting words into his mouth at the same time as claiming that following Jesus requires following the law of Moses, but this in itself is suggesting that Moses' law is greater than Jesus' blood.
you said this not me

counting the blood of the covenant as common, so that it may be made void by so much as an evil thought, you mean?[/QUOTE]

when you add the "you mean?" you are literally trying to get me to agree with it.

I had already said I disagreed with that and said His offer remains no matter what but people can reject Him
 

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I never said anything like this you are fishing for a reason to accuse me
If you have not as much as even implied that following Moses' law is following Jesus, then I will admit to misunderstanding you.
 

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every post I make is getting jumbled and not posting right im going to re log in
 

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There's no separating Him from His offering, it is the reason that He came as a Lamb in His first advent, so that He could be killed, willingly laying down his life as the offering. You make that work void if you count so much as an evil thought more effective in cause for your damnation than His offering in cause for your salvation. What sin is more effective than the blood of the covenant in its power to affect your salvation?
I never said "He can be seperated from His offering"

And when you say

You make that work void if you count so much as an evil thought more effective in cause for your damnation than His offering in cause for your salvation.
are you telling me Im doing that?

What sin is more effective than the blood of the covenant in its power to affect your salvation?
The only unpardonable sin is blasphemy against YHWH Holy Spirit but Yahshua says these this also:

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
 

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I never said "He can be seperated from His offering"

And when you say



are you telling me Im doing that?



The only unpardonable sin is blasphemy against YHWH Holy Spirit but Yahshua says these this also:

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."
An the One Who judges him who rejects Jesus, will He be judging him by Moses' law?
 

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If you have not as much as even implied that following Moses' law is following Jesus, then I will admit to misunderstanding you.
I believe in YHWH's Law as told by Yahshua.

Mat 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might (Deuteronomy 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.

I never brought up moses, again that is you trying to find reason to accuse

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

Mat 7:12-14, "Therefore, all things you want men to do to you, do the same to them, for this is the (intent of the) Law and the Prophets. Enter in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who go that way. Because straight is the gate, and narrow is the way which leads to life, and few there are who find it."

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

No Moses all those are Yahshua except for the 1 John passage
 

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Yeah the sermons of Jesus is what purifies the mind and heart most of his words are imosrting understanding of God to the believers and really aren't commands to do or not do like his parables they are communicating truth understanding of who god is and what Gods will is, whomwe are meant to be , he teaches about his eternal,kingdom that is not of this world ...he teaches us how to change our thinking about God and man and life's purpose and reward ultimately of course he teaches us what to do and not do some also but ....
I think Yahshua takes the Law and does this as High Priest and Shepherd:

Isayah 42:21, "YHWH is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable."

He shows how to love according to YHWH is how I see it
 

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1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
No Moses all those are Yahshua except for the 1 John passage
So then, the 1 John passage is referring to Moses' , as you see it, correct?
 

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An the One Who judges him who rejects Jesus, will He be judging him by Moses' law?
there you go again, fishing

even after I already posted a passage on that matter, here it is again:

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have practiced righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”
 

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So then, the 1 John passage is referring to Moses' , as you see it, correct?
still fishing!

No Yahshua teaches YHWH's Law.

Yahshua explains in if you study His words, His words are Spirit and life, and as He says what will be used to judge.
 

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Can someone quote some words of Jesus for me, I think I need some explanation too? Would that be possible? Its a certian passage, unless you dont like or listen to His words
 

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still fishing!

No Yahshua teaches YHWH's Law.

Yahshua explains in if you study His words, His words are Spirit and life, and as He says what will be used to judge.
Lol, don't be a wiggly fish. Let me ask you this. Did Moses teach the same YHWH's Law that Yahshua taught?
 

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Yeah the sermons of Jesus is what purifies the mind and heart most of his words are imosrting understanding of God to the believers and really aren't commands to do or not do like his parables they are communicating truth understanding of who god is and what Gods will is, whomwe are meant to be , he teaches about his eternal,kingdom that is not of this world ...he teaches us how to change our thinking about God and man and life's purpose and reward ultimately of course he teaches us what to do and not do some also but ....
I think Yahshua did this:

Isayah 42:21, "YHWH is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable."

and taught how to love properly, explained perfectly
 

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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every
one that believeth
; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For there in is the righteousness of God
revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 1:16‭-‬17 KJV

Romans 1:16-17
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