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Our walk is going from glory to glory Jewel. So building ones life on the principles of the written Word is wise, but is because we have received salvation. Being led of Holy Spirit is the walk of the spiritual man or woman in Christ. I knew nothing about this when first born again.
We are Spirit, connected to heaven and the kingdom of heaven now, and we move on earth from this "realm". The natural man only sees earth.
With the baptism of Holy Spirit comes giftings that are of the heavenly realm and not of earth.
We are Spirit, connected to heaven and the kingdom of heaven now, and we move on earth from this "realm". The natural man only sees earth.
With the baptism of Holy Spirit comes giftings that are of the heavenly realm and not of earth.
We need to keep things in perspective. Today English is the language of the world, and God already anticipated that. While Hebrew is a beautiful language, a faithful translation of Hebrew into any other language serves God's purposes.
Also, while it is true that the Holy Spirit teaches all believers, and that we do not "need" men to teach us God's truth, Scripture also tells us that God has given some the spiritual gift of "teachers" (along with evangelists and pastors) in order to edify the Church. Some Christians do need teachers to help them understand Scripture.
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: (Eph 4:11,12).
The apostles and prophets are to be found in the Scriptures -- the written Word of God. But the Church still needs evangelists, pastors, and teachers.
Also, while it is true that the Holy Spirit teaches all believers, and that we do not "need" men to teach us God's truth, Scripture also tells us that God has given some the spiritual gift of "teachers" (along with evangelists and pastors) in order to edify the Church. Some Christians do need teachers to help them understand Scripture.
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: (Eph 4:11,12).
The apostles and prophets are to be found in the Scriptures -- the written Word of God. But the Church still needs evangelists, pastors, and teachers.
As for the 1Cor5 passage, I believe it is worded this way for a specific reason:
"11 But now, I wrote to you not to associate with anyone being designated a brother if he is sexually immoral or a coveter, or an idolater or verbal abuser, or a drunkard or swindler—with such a one not even to eat. 12 For what is it to me to judge those outside? Do you not judge those within? 13 But God will judge those outside. “Expel the evil out from among yourselves.” "
In other words, it doesn't simply say "a brother," it says "anyone being designated a brother"... I believe that specifically shows that they are "called" a brother (by others and by themselves) but are not actually "a brother" (in Christ). If it did, it would just say "any brother [doing such]."
God will judge those outside. (And that is where this person is to be put, by those in this particular church.) I don't believe the passage is saying the person "lost their salvation" [and this action will aid them in getting it back] (nor forfeited it).
"11 But now, I wrote to you not to associate with anyone being designated a brother if he is sexually immoral or a coveter, or an idolater or verbal abuser, or a drunkard or swindler—with such a one not even to eat. 12 For what is it to me to judge those outside? Do you not judge those within? 13 But God will judge those outside. “Expel the evil out from among yourselves.” "
In other words, it doesn't simply say "a brother," it says "anyone being designated a brother"... I believe that specifically shows that they are "called" a brother (by others and by themselves) but are not actually "a brother" (in Christ). If it did, it would just say "any brother [doing such]."
God will judge those outside. (And that is where this person is to be put, by those in this particular church.) I don't believe the passage is saying the person "lost their salvation" [and this action will aid them in getting it back] (nor forfeited it).
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The reason for the many pages of discussion is many, if not most, Christians think that's not true because they argue that once you are saved you are always saved, no matter what, even if you don't lift a pinky in obedience to God. That is the deception that is destroying the visible church in these end times before Jesus comes back.
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This person had to die to the flesh in order to be saved. Doesn't matter if he was ever really saved, or fell away from salvation. The point is, he's not going to be saved when Jesus comes back unless he dies to the flesh.
If he was a believer and he was forever and irretrievably saved as 'once saved always saved' insists, then there would be no need for him to die in order to be saved, because he's already saved and can't lose it. So we see, this is definitely NOT a once saved always saved passage.
If he was a believer and he was forever and irretrievably saved as 'once saved always saved' insists, then there would be no need for him to die in order to be saved, because he's already saved and can't lose it. So we see, this is definitely NOT a once saved always saved passage.
Takes 2 to argue..stop the cycle and conceed?
If we put as much effort in getting off our butts and offline n went out to WITNESS like we are commanded to do as we put in arguing HERE...i think there might be more coming to Christ as opposed to here arguing..who has been brought to Christ? Kinda makes you wonder if we're actually DOING what God wants us to do ....like you stated above..my guess is..NO
If we put as much effort in getting off our butts and offline n went out to WITNESS like we are commanded to do as we put in arguing HERE...i think there might be more coming to Christ as opposed to here arguing..who has been brought to Christ? Kinda makes you wonder if we're actually DOING what God wants us to do ....like you stated above..my guess is..NO
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So..are you going out witnessing and brining others to christ? Its a command. .
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"Not everyone saying to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of My Father in the heavens." Matthew 7:21blb
I believe the text of Matthew 7:21 shows it to be the equivalent of passages such as:
--Matthew 25:11,1 [the plural virgins (involving "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" i.e. MK; see verse 10 in the nasb, for example [also Lk12:36-37,40 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN the meal]--not the ONE who He is MARRYING (involving "the MARRIAGE" itself; that is, the distinction found between Rev19:9 and 19:7)]
--Matthew 25:31-34 and context [the "ye BLESSED" and the "ye cursed" who will have either aided or not aided "the least of these My brethren" (v.40, which I believe refers specifically to the believing remnant of Israel IN/DURING the future tribulation period, i.e. "in that day," who will be being gravely persecuted during that specific time period, and who are NOT the ones being judged/separated in this particular context)]
--Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 [the passage where Jesus had PREVIOUSLY spoken to His disciples about the subject of which they are inquiring of Him in the later setting of Matt24:3, and which He is answering in the context of the Olivet Discourse [which context is not covering the subject of our Rapture, but of His Second Coming to the earth, and the specific time period leading up to that])
... all of which are passages about who will and will not "enter" the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (in their mortal bodies), upon His "return" there (at the time of His Second Coming [to the earth]; not at the time of our Rapture [in the air: which pertains solely to "the Church which is His body," not to all other saints of all other time periods])
The phrase "the kingdom of the heavens" speaks of the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (promised particularly to Israel, but to which "guests" [Gentiles] will ALSO be invited [during the future tribulation period, Matt24:14[26:13], Rev7, Matt22:8-14, Rev19:9, etc]) and into which LIVING/MORTALS will enter (besides people being "resurrected" for it, such as OT saints like Daniel [Dan12:13] and Trib saints who [come to faith within the trib and] die during the trib [Rev20:4]).
"The kingdom of the heavens" [the earthly MK] = "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" = "the age [singular] to come" (commencing upon His "return" to the earth). Only "the righteous" [the "ye BLESSED"] will enter that time period [the earthly MK; those STILL LIVING will enter in their mortal bodies, capable of reproducing/bearing children--others will be "resurrected" to stand again on the earth, for it]).
As to "the Church which is His body," we are to set our mind on things above (as opposed to minding [Israel's] earthly things), for our citizenship is in heaven (where we are already "seated with Him" positionally/legally), and from whence we eagerly await... the One delivering us out from "the wrath coming" (when our bodies will undergo "change"--1Cor15:53b / 2Cor5:3-4 "clothed upon" [that is, apart from having to die first (speaking of the "we which are alive and remain" [portion of the ONE BODY] at the time of our Rapture [together with "the dead IN Christ" who it says "shall rise first"])]).
This is the distinction between Rev19:9 (not aorist, and not who He is MARRYING) and 19:7 (aorist, "wife [SINGULAR]," at the time of the chpt 19 events of His "return" to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom).
I believe the text of Matthew 7:21 shows it to be the equivalent of passages such as:
--Matthew 25:11,1 [the plural virgins (involving "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" i.e. MK; see verse 10 in the nasb, for example [also Lk12:36-37,40 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN the meal]--not the ONE who He is MARRYING (involving "the MARRIAGE" itself; that is, the distinction found between Rev19:9 and 19:7)]
--Matthew 25:31-34 and context [the "ye BLESSED" and the "ye cursed" who will have either aided or not aided "the least of these My brethren" (v.40, which I believe refers specifically to the believing remnant of Israel IN/DURING the future tribulation period, i.e. "in that day," who will be being gravely persecuted during that specific time period, and who are NOT the ones being judged/separated in this particular context)]
--Matthew 13:24,30,39,40,49-50 [the passage where Jesus had PREVIOUSLY spoken to His disciples about the subject of which they are inquiring of Him in the later setting of Matt24:3, and which He is answering in the context of the Olivet Discourse [which context is not covering the subject of our Rapture, but of His Second Coming to the earth, and the specific time period leading up to that])
... all of which are passages about who will and will not "enter" the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (in their mortal bodies), upon His "return" there (at the time of His Second Coming [to the earth]; not at the time of our Rapture [in the air: which pertains solely to "the Church which is His body," not to all other saints of all other time periods])
The phrase "the kingdom of the heavens" speaks of the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom (promised particularly to Israel, but to which "guests" [Gentiles] will ALSO be invited [during the future tribulation period, Matt24:14[26:13], Rev7, Matt22:8-14, Rev19:9, etc]) and into which LIVING/MORTALS will enter (besides people being "resurrected" for it, such as OT saints like Daniel [Dan12:13] and Trib saints who [come to faith within the trib and] die during the trib [Rev20:4]).
"The kingdom of the heavens" [the earthly MK] = "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" = "the age [singular] to come" (commencing upon His "return" to the earth). Only "the righteous" [the "ye BLESSED"] will enter that time period [the earthly MK; those STILL LIVING will enter in their mortal bodies, capable of reproducing/bearing children--others will be "resurrected" to stand again on the earth, for it]).
As to "the Church which is His body," we are to set our mind on things above (as opposed to minding [Israel's] earthly things), for our citizenship is in heaven (where we are already "seated with Him" positionally/legally), and from whence we eagerly await... the One delivering us out from "the wrath coming" (when our bodies will undergo "change"--1Cor15:53b / 2Cor5:3-4 "clothed upon" [that is, apart from having to die first (speaking of the "we which are alive and remain" [portion of the ONE BODY] at the time of our Rapture [together with "the dead IN Christ" who it says "shall rise first"])]).
This is the distinction between Rev19:9 (not aorist, and not who He is MARRYING) and 19:7 (aorist, "wife [SINGULAR]," at the time of the chpt 19 events of His "return" to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom).