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Is Jesus a doormat?
• 1Cor 15:27-28 . . God, the Father, has put everything under his feet. Now
when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this
does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
. . .When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to Him
who put everything under him
While easy enough to prove that women weren't created to be a man's
doormat, it is just as easy to prove that women were created to aid their
husband rather than make demands upon him for equality.
Rivalry is a very dangerous sin. It got Abel murdered by his elder brother, it
got Jesus murdered by his countrymen, and it sours marriages; turning
them into cold wars instead of homes.
• Prov 14:1 . .The wise woman builds her house, but the foolish tears it
down with her own hands.
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Is Jesus a doormat?
• 1Cor 15:27-28 . . God, the Father, has put everything under his feet. Now
when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this
does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
. . .When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to Him
who put everything under him
While easy enough to prove that women weren't created to be a man's
doormat, it is just as easy to prove that women were created to aid their
husband rather than make demands upon him for equality.
Rivalry is a very dangerous sin. It got Abel murdered by his elder brother, it
got Jesus murdered by his countrymen, and it sours marriages; turning
them into cold wars instead of homes.
• Prov 14:1 . .The wise woman builds her house, but the foolish tears it
down with her own hands.
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Agree. That is the New and Better Way...
Galatians
3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians
3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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He tried to get some of them free, but He did not make a big political scene about it.
Philemon
1:10 I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds:
1:11 Which in time past was to thee unprofitable, but now profitable to thee and to me:
1:12 Whom I have sent again: thou therefore receive him, that is, mine own bowels:
1:13 Whom I would have retained with me, that in thy stead he might have ministered unto me in the bonds of the gospel:
1:14 But without thy mind would I do nothing; that thy benefit should not be as it were of necessity, but willingly.
1:15 For perhaps he therefore departed for a season, that thou shouldest receive him for ever;
1:16 Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord?
1:17 If thou count me therefore a partner, receive him as myself.
1:18 If he hath wronged thee, or oweth [thee] ought, put that on mine account;
1:19 I Paul have written [it] with mine own hand, I will repay [it]: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides.
He, speaking about the New And Better Way, had this to say;
Galatians
3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
That is the mind of God for us here today.
Philemon
1:10 I beseech thee for my son Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my bonds:
1:11 Which in time past was to thee unprofitable, but now profitable to thee and to me:
1:12 Whom I have sent again: thou therefore receive him, that is, mine own bowels:
1:13 Whom I would have retained with me, that in thy stead he might have ministered unto me in the bonds of the gospel:
1:14 But without thy mind would I do nothing; that thy benefit should not be as it were of necessity, but willingly.
1:15 For perhaps he therefore departed for a season, that thou shouldest receive him for ever;
1:16 Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord?
1:17 If thou count me therefore a partner, receive him as myself.
1:18 If he hath wronged thee, or oweth [thee] ought, put that on mine account;
1:19 I Paul have written [it] with mine own hand, I will repay [it]: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides.
He, speaking about the New And Better Way, had this to say;
Galatians
3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
That is the mind of God for us here today.
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In a sense, we are all slaves to someone... no one is totally free except for Jesus and Donald T.
Martha Stewart found that out the hard way. Try not paying your taxes for a while.
Paul is saying that we are not to retain a rebellious spirit within ourselves.
Jesus will right all wrongs soon enough. We must do our part and leave the rest to Him.
Romans
12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
Martha Stewart found that out the hard way. Try not paying your taxes for a while.
Paul is saying that we are not to retain a rebellious spirit within ourselves.
Jesus will right all wrongs soon enough. We must do our part and leave the rest to Him.
Romans
12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
Paul was often speaking of making peace and whether we were slaves or free we belong to one master Jesus Christ.
slavery was a reality of the times common to have and be a bond servant from Israel in Egypt until even today in some nations slavery exists in the fallen world. Paul’s point was no matter what situation you are in , serve the lord with all your heart and submit to one another in the fear of God
slavery was a reality of the times common to have and be a bond servant from Israel in Egypt until even today in some nations slavery exists in the fallen world. Paul’s point was no matter what situation you are in , serve the lord with all your heart and submit to one another in the fear of God
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slavery has been a part of creation because of mankind’s response to Satan in the beginning and still exists today. We often forget that God gave man the earth to rule over , so all the foul things like slavery and every form of bondage like sin , is something man has caused and partaken of.
“The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
Psalm 115:16 KJV
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
Genesis 1:26 KJV
Our dominion being corrupt at heart is the issue and has always been the issue since we let Satan into our hearts and minds in the beginning. It’s why rather than just taking mans dominion away it’s going to be utterly destroyed and a new one will appear where Christ has all dominion there won’t be slavery then because our corrupt will won’t be ruling and christs Will will be what governs eternity
“The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
Psalm 115:16 KJV
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
Genesis 1:26 KJV
Our dominion being corrupt at heart is the issue and has always been the issue since we let Satan into our hearts and minds in the beginning. It’s why rather than just taking mans dominion away it’s going to be utterly destroyed and a new one will appear where Christ has all dominion there won’t be slavery then because our corrupt will won’t be ruling and christs Will will be what governs eternity
Paul described himself as a bondservant to Christ. If there had never been slavery, we might not have understood that concept.
We may always be slaves to Christ. If I had to guess, I would think there might not be slavery in the age to come, except being servants of Christ and His Father.
But I don't believe American or western social political philosophy is a valid basis for doctrine, so I don't say that Philemon, Isaac, Abraham.....or Christ.... sinned by having slaves.
We may always be slaves to Christ. If I had to guess, I would think there might not be slavery in the age to come, except being servants of Christ and His Father.
But I don't believe American or western social political philosophy is a valid basis for doctrine, so I don't say that Philemon, Isaac, Abraham.....or Christ.... sinned by having slaves.
Our father in heaven you mean ?
slavery was common in those times and still happens today in some nations . My point is that slavery is not Gods Will for anyone it’s a result of mankind’s corruption.
and it won’t be a thing in eternal
Life because that’s going to be Gods will not mans corrupt will. I would think that slavery is something no one would want to take part in “ to own another human being “ is not something that should be a part of humanity
slavery was common in those times and still happens today in some nations . My point is that slavery is not Gods Will for anyone it’s a result of mankind’s corruption.
and it won’t be a thing in eternal
Life because that’s going to be Gods will not mans corrupt will. I would think that slavery is something no one would want to take part in “ to own another human being “ is not something that should be a part of humanity
It is apparent that while slavery is obviously evil Paul did not write to condemn it, but merely commented on it.
Paul said that he did not permit women to speak in church or have authority over men.
Just based on the slavery reference I believe that Paul, in regards to women, as with the slavery issue as well, was speaking to a certain culture, tradition, and religious practice that existed at that time. Since slavery is obviously not condoned at this day and age it seems that the restrictions that Paul placed on women no longer apply either.
Paul said that he does not permit, he did not say that God does not permit. That is an important distinction that changes the entire dynamic in regards to what is or is not permissible in a church setting in regards to women.
Paul said that he did not permit women to speak in church or have authority over men.
Just based on the slavery reference I believe that Paul, in regards to women, as with the slavery issue as well, was speaking to a certain culture, tradition, and religious practice that existed at that time. Since slavery is obviously not condoned at this day and age it seems that the restrictions that Paul placed on women no longer apply either.
Paul said that he does not permit, he did not say that God does not permit. That is an important distinction that changes the entire dynamic in regards to what is or is not permissible in a church setting in regards to women.
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Well toss out what ever the quran says its not Gods word. So do you know Jesus as lord? How does He treat you? This is how a husband treats his wife. IF the husband truly loves his wife .. you do everything for her.. as Christ does everything for us. No matter what we ask or do or think.. He loves us
If you apply this to marriage tell women not to submit to their husbands, not only does that promote rebellion, but it also can discourage them from experiencing the mystery of Christ and the church in their marriage.
Men actually have a heavier responsibility, IMO, than women, based on Ephesians 5. Occasionally, I might hear a woman say she submits to her husband. But how many men say, "I love my wife just as Christ loves the church." If one does, would he be able to know it well enough to make that claim. It is a heavy responsibility indeed. I see people trying to discourage women from obeying the teaching of the apostles to submit to their own husbands, but I never see people telling men they are 'off the hook' from loving their wives like that. Nor do I see Christian men say it is no longer their responsibility to do so.
Men actually have a heavier responsibility, IMO, than women, based on Ephesians 5. Occasionally, I might hear a woman say she submits to her husband. But how many men say, "I love my wife just as Christ loves the church." If one does, would he be able to know it well enough to make that claim. It is a heavy responsibility indeed. I see people trying to discourage women from obeying the teaching of the apostles to submit to their own husbands, but I never see people telling men they are 'off the hook' from loving their wives like that. Nor do I see Christian men say it is no longer their responsibility to do so.