Not only are we not under the law, we should not try to abide by it.
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Please take time to understand the difference between the flesh and the Spirit.
In the flesh we can not do anything good, this is human nature, and to try and keep the law in our natural state we will fail.
But.... But we are told that we can put self to death and walk in the Spirit by faith.
Mar_14:38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.
Rom_8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Gal_5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Rom_8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
By faith Jesus walks in me and that Spirit that controls me will not break any laws that God has set in place.
If i try myself i'll fail like the Jews, trying to become obedient to the law in my strenght.
Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
So keep the law by faith which means that you keep it by the power of Christ in you.
Or try yourself and fail.
Or break them because you believe there is no law.
The same Spirit that was in Jesus and enabled Him to overcome the world can be given to us by faith. Jesus obeied the law by that Spirit.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
In the flesh we can not do anything good, this is human nature, and to try and keep the law in our natural state we will fail.
But.... But we are told that we can put self to death and walk in the Spirit by faith.
Mar_14:38 Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.
Rom_8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Gal_5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Rom_8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
By faith Jesus walks in me and that Spirit that controls me will not break any laws that God has set in place.
If i try myself i'll fail like the Jews, trying to become obedient to the law in my strenght.
Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
So keep the law by faith which means that you keep it by the power of Christ in you.
Or try yourself and fail.
Or break them because you believe there is no law.
The same Spirit that was in Jesus and enabled Him to overcome the world can be given to us by faith. Jesus obeied the law by that Spirit.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
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if you dont follow the law you are not following the example of Jesus. sorry there is just no way around this.
your following theology (of man) which has been wrong at times. im following the example of Jesus and that example is law obedience, there is no other example.
another thing you ignore, the new covenant is the law written on our heart. written on the heart does not mean tossed aside. written on the heart means the law is still very much there.
your following theology (of man) which has been wrong at times. im following the example of Jesus and that example is law obedience, there is no other example.
another thing you ignore, the new covenant is the law written on our heart. written on the heart does not mean tossed aside. written on the heart means the law is still very much there.
If you are talking about the 10 commandments, there is no evidence to say Jesus did not keep the law after His death and resurrection.
The new covenant started at the death of Jesus.
Jesus was a Jew but that means a few changes from that point.
The shadows and laws that pointed to Jesus no longer needed to be kept.
The new covenant started at the death of Jesus.
Jesus was a Jew but that means a few changes from that point.
The shadows and laws that pointed to Jesus no longer needed to be kept.
Following the Law has its merits and is a good thing. However, I think there is important value in looking past the Law. When Jesus fulfilled the Law, he freed us so that we don't have to confine ourselves to the Law but we can follow the Spirit by doing what we know and feel is good and right and avoid what we know and feel is wrong.
A good example is that the Law doesn't cover, say, bribing police officers to get out of tickets (or at least it's hard to find a law that covers this). But it's obvious to all that bribes are wrong. Living according to the Spirit is to focus less attention on laws and ordinances and instead doing what you know is right and not what's wrong (this is in my opinion, anyway). This opens up a different mode of living that's superior to confining yourself to the Mosaic Law.
A good example is that the Law doesn't cover, say, bribing police officers to get out of tickets (or at least it's hard to find a law that covers this). But it's obvious to all that bribes are wrong. Living according to the Spirit is to focus less attention on laws and ordinances and instead doing what you know is right and not what's wrong (this is in my opinion, anyway). This opens up a different mode of living that's superior to confining yourself to the Mosaic Law.
The law is what God gave us to point out sin, so that we can understand what right and wrong is. Some what to throw it out and than they don't need to feel guilty.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Jas_4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Take away the law and we don't know what is good. Jesus is our example and He perfectly kept the law.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Jas_4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Take away the law and we don't know what is good. Jesus is our example and He perfectly kept the law.
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This is a lot of what the New Testament gets at. Sin is not just breaking the law. Sin is failing to do what's right.
Jesus' fulfillment of the Law allows us to stop looking at the Law and instead start looking at what's right and wrong. When we do what's right, we don't sin.
In fact, you will find that the Law was a guidebook on how to do right and not do what's wrong. That's why Jesus' sacrifice frees us - his sacrifices lets us do right and wrong without memorizing and binding ourselves to 613 ordinances.
Jesus' fulfillment of the Law allows us to stop looking at the Law and instead start looking at what's right and wrong. When we do what's right, we don't sin.
In fact, you will find that the Law was a guidebook on how to do right and not do what's wrong. That's why Jesus' sacrifice frees us - his sacrifices lets us do right and wrong without memorizing and binding ourselves to 613 ordinances.
In the context of this thread, you're constantly moving the goalposts and seem to be changing your position almost post by post.
On just the last page you seemed to concede that Christians are no longer under the law.
Then you said that not keeping the law is a bad thing, despite the fact that it has been demonstrated to you that the law was (and is) a curse.
Nothing personal or anything, but you're either a raging schizophrenic or simply genuinely the most inconsistent person I have ever come across on any internet forum.
On just the last page you seemed to concede that Christians are no longer under the law.
Then you said that not keeping the law is a bad thing, despite the fact that it has been demonstrated to you that the law was (and is) a curse.
Nothing personal or anything, but you're either a raging schizophrenic or simply genuinely the most inconsistent person I have ever come across on any internet forum.