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I doubt the victims or recipients of your sin say they bound in grace the more you sin against them. I’m pretty sure God sees the wrong done to them fairly clearly.
Do not address me....you are divisive, false, self righteous and too be honest mlst of what you say is false, misleading, deceptive and makes me want to spew......and for the record...you saying -->I KNOW GOD is not only hilariously tragic, but rather nauseating!

You have lost all credibility....serious!

and we're done....!
 
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I just saw a post that read Jesus can still sin in Heaven....seriously?

Has this person been smoking pot?

I have never ever heard anything so ridiculous.
 
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This was already dealt with in post 141 542 and here 141 546 by @dcontroversal

And temptation is not "real" unless someone can give into that temptation... so yes Jesus had the potential to sin.
I do not know if it is pride, being blind, being obstinate or just ignorance.....I stand amazed how people will not just embrace the truth in context using simple faith and spiritually motivated acceptance......The bible can say....the sky is blue and religionists will argue that blue doea. it mean blue, but must only mean green!

One of the biggest problems...PEOPLE peddling another man's view....instead of just letting the bible speak where is speaks and keeping their mouths shut when it lays silent!
 

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I just saw a post that read Jesus can still sin in Heaven....seriously?

Has this person been smoking pot?

I have never ever heard anything so ridiculous.
Yep they are serious and yes it's ridiculous.

It's so out there we know it's not true.

Yet some are more subtle, a little leaven and and all that.
 
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How was he tempted them?

By listening to Satan?
Most overlook that it was the HOLY SPIRIT that drove Jesus into the wilderness to be tempted in All points as we are tempted....We read about the 3 at the end of the 40 days, but often fail to recognize that the 40 days before the 3 we read about....Jesus was put through the gauntlet by the devil....we can only surmise as to what these tests were....but ALL POINTS means ALL points......yet he was without SIN....

The part that really gave me confidence in Jesus as one who can empathize with my weaknesses ....is the fact that by EMPTYING himself of that heavenly Glory, coming as a man in the form of SINFUL FLESH and refusing to use his equality with God as God to HIS ADVANTAGE to overcome sin proves to me that GOD in flesh really wanted to feel and empathize with man's plight and fall!
 
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I would like to say that I have said I know God....it’s not how it sounds...I know God is in my Spirit.

After all Jesus is our friend,plenty of scripture on that...a true friend who will never let us down...unlike man.
 

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I would like to say that I have said I know God....it’s not how it sounds...I know God is in my Spirit.

After all Jesus is our friend,plenty of scripture on that...a true friend who will never let us down...unlike man.
It really is hard to grasp how God who is so Holy and righteous and wise .... can be so merciful and giving and faithful to us who could never earn His love....


Not only overcoming in life even when faced with the very things that cause us to need a Savior... but also paying the price for where we have failed.....


He gives us freely and is so amazing He can even use people like us to function as the body of Christ


...to turn His loving gift into that of a payment or reward....

it is a shame
 

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Paul wrote to the Corinthians that they should have been miserable but weren’t. Your theory just isn’t so. If it were true, no NT would have been necessary nor would there ever be quarrels between believers.

So who are the baby christians here. Do you leave them be?

You will never KNOW. We who are mature, WILL PROTECT THEM FROM WOLVES. The is the responsibility of Mature Sheep to guard them from false Doctrine. In my Experience, I have found the WOLVES, always go after the Baby Christians. So with the Lord's help, We will be on guard to protect the Babies.
 
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I would like to say that I have said I know God....it’s not how it sounds...I know God is in my Spirit.

After all Jesus is our friend,plenty of scripture on that...a true friend who will never let us down...unlike man.
I fully understand what you are saying.....here is my 2 cents worth......

In my view, it is a very bold statement to say...I KNOW GOD in the manner she so boldly claims.....I.E. in an attempt to prove here heretical stance.....I have been studying/reading the bible etc. for upwards of 45 years....Intently studying for 33 years and I would not be arrogant enough to boldly say I KNOW GOD.....and at the end of the day it is not about us claiming to knkw GOD.....MANY will stand before Him claiming to know Him and even calling Him LORD.....yet he will say....

I never knew you.

Yes, we have the word of God which is the mind of Christ and we can LEARN of GOD.....but to claim we, with finite minds can KNOW the INFINITE ...Look at this verse, it sums up what I am trying to say.

"Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it." ... "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"
 
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I believe the Holy Spirit is leading this thread through some members.

I don’t mind having the ruler if I shouldn’t have said that...
 
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God sees the BLOOD and passes right over...HE ALSO SEES the RIGHTEOUSNESS of CHRIST....and GRACE outbounds our sin....!
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

God Bless...
 

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It really is hard to grasp how God who is so Holy and righteous and wise .... can be so merciful and giving and faithful to us who could never earn His love....


Not only overcoming in life even when faced with the very things that cause us to need a Savior... but also paying the price for where we have failed.....


He gives us freely and is so amazing He can even use people like us to function as the body of Christ


...to turn His loving gift into that of a payment or reward....

it is a shame
This is what those who believe we can lose our Salvation does not understand why we can become so irate , but in a right way , because truth be known , it makes our blood boil to think they add to the cross , when Jesus gave His all for us , I mean even before He went to the cross , the mockery , the taunting , rippen His beard , the spitting , the whipping , the hatred of people , the evil wickedness put on Him before He even got to the cross , it is heartbreaking to see them adding...

Yet more will come , and more will go , may the LORD our God open their eyes , for we are only promised today...
...xox...
 
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Salvation is a wonderful gift from God....that we did not work for.

What a wonderful God we serve.
And the best thing.....the GIFTS and calling of God are IRREVOCABLE

irrevocable

adjective
not able to be changed, reversed, or recovered; final.
 

Magenta

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It really is hard to grasp how God who is so Holy and righteous and wise .... can be so merciful and giving and faithful to us who could never earn His love....

Not only overcoming in life even when faced with the very things that cause us to need a Savior... but also paying the price for where we have failed.....

He gives us freely and is so amazing He can even use people like us to function as the body of Christ
...to turn His loving gift into that of a payment or reward....

it is a shame


1 John 4:10 :)
 

Rosemaryx

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I fully understand what you are saying.....here is my 2 cents worth......

In my view, it is a very bold statement to say...I KNOW GOD in the manner she so boldly claims.....I.E. in an attempt to prove here heretical stance.....I have been studying/reading the bible etc. for upwards of 45 years....Intently studying for 33 years and I would not be arrogant enough to boldly say I KNOW GOD.....and at the end of the day it is not about us claiming to knkw GOD.....MANY will stand before Him claiming to know Him and even calling Him LORD.....yet he will say....

I never knew you.

Yes, we have the word of God which is the mind of Christ and we can LEARN of GOD.....but to claim we, with finite minds can KNOW the INFINITE ...Look at this verse, it sums up what I am trying to say.

"Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it." ... "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"
A pastor said once " A man can read the bible a thousand times , and still only scratch the service "...
I agree , because no matter what we read , there is always something deeper , like digging in the mountains to find gold , there is gem after gem...
...xox...
 
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Hi!
A pastor said once " A man can read the bible a thousand times , and still only scratch the service "...
I agree , because no matter what we read , there is always something deeper , like digging in the mountains to find gold , there is gem after gem...
...xox...
There is a difference from reading and studying.....
People read the book and think they have it all sown up, ususally in error.
Then you have those who study, years, wanting a deeper relationship, studying Truth, conforming to the image of His Son.
Like the Bereans ....

You will know these by their fruit.....

God Bless!!