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You said that after I corrected you. Here is the insulting and ridiculous things you said before I corrected you.
Proved by works is a strawman, by the way.
regeneration is not what your phony lordship junk teaches. saved by grace, proved by works.
trash.
yes, I personally believe in regeneration, but you push INSTANT regeneration, that is a big fat lie.
it looks different for everyone. some folks are instantly regenerated , some it takes times for the Fruits of the Sprit to began to manifest.
all are saved the instant they believe, and stay so as long as they believe.
regeneration is a separate conversation.
trash.
yes, I personally believe in regeneration, but you push INSTANT regeneration, that is a big fat lie.
it looks different for everyone. some folks are instantly regenerated , some it takes times for the Fruits of the Sprit to began to manifest.
all are saved the instant they believe, and stay so as long as they believe.
regeneration is a separate conversation.
So where did I say this?
The answer is no. I'm sorry that you, DC, GB9, Eternally grateful don't know what"come after" means. As in obedience, fruit etc follow/come after salvation.See 1 John 2:3
If that doesn't fit in your theology, take it up with the Elder.
OK if you guys don't address me anymore, I'll drop it.
Take care now.
The answer is no. I'm sorry that you, DC, GB9, Eternally grateful don't know what"come after" means. As in obedience, fruit etc follow/come after salvation.See 1 John 2:3
If that doesn't fit in your theology, take it up with the Elder.
OK if you guys don't address me anymore, I'll drop it.
Take care now.
@VCO. I have been accused of not being clear. Here is my position on the matter. Just a few quotes from literally hundreds that I could copy and paste
"Macabeus, post: 4037720, member: 279100"]...We don’t bring anything that was not first given to us by God[/"Macabeus, post: 3949236, member: 279100"]There are several ways the man can serve God in joy and gratitude. ANY born again person can serve God from joy and gratitude of being saved. If nothing else, the fact that I am justified should make me desire to see others saved, and lead to me at least praying for them, if not sharing my faith with them..Macabeus, post: 3949151, member: 279100"]We are justified by faith without works, yes, but when we are justified, we also receive a new nature, and if we have a new nature, we will have new desires, and thus, we will want to see God glorified (new desires) and will labor to that end. Not to be saved, but from love and gratitude..."Macabeus, post: 3948980, member: 279100"]Yes, and then after justification, we live our lives to God out of love and gratitude, BECAUSE OF OUR NEW NATURE. Not perfectly, but there should be SOME love and gratitude, and concern about other people IF WE ARE BORN OF GOD>.."Macabeus, post: 3948972, member: 279100"]. As I have stated many times, SALVATION IS FULLY ACCOMPLISHED, and then works follow from love and gratitude. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Macabeus, post: 3947604, member: 279100"]Yep, if it is of grace, then work is no more work. VERY GOOD scripture. KUDOSAnd to Him that has received grace, work is no longer reckoned as meritorious work, it becomes an expression of gratitude and love. 1 JOHN 5:3. AND no one has room to boast, for WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT WE DID NOT RECEiVE FROM GOD. 1 Corinthians 4:7 "Macabeus, post: 3947268, member: 279100"]Justified by faith ALONE, works follow out of love and gratitudeJust like fire produces smoke...All of Grace, it is all of grace, naught of myself, but all from Him, it is all of grace, that is all."Macabeus, post: 3946895, member: 279100"]Never said it had anything to do with salvation. I merely stated that those who are born of God will have the characteristics that John lists in his First Epistle.And we do not work to be saved. We work because we are saved and out of love and gratitude...."Macabeus, post: 4035414, member: 279100"]I agree that fruit is the result and fruit of salvation, not the cause or the root. .
Just a few clear quotes from a selection of HUNDREDS where I said that fruit and works flow from salvation and love and gratitude for God for saving us.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
"Macabeus, post: 4037720, member: 279100"]...We don’t bring anything that was not first given to us by God[/"Macabeus, post: 3949236, member: 279100"]There are several ways the man can serve God in joy and gratitude. ANY born again person can serve God from joy and gratitude of being saved.
If nothing else, the fact that I am justified should make me desire to see others saved, and lead to me at least praying for them, if not sharing my faith with them..Macabeus, post: 3949151, member: 279100"]We are justified by faith without works, yes, but when we are justified, we also receive a new nature, and if we have a new nature, we will have new desires, and thus, we will want to see God glorified (new desires) and will labor to that end. Not to be saved, but from love and gratitude..."Macabeus, post: 3948980, member: 279100"]Yes, and then after justification, we live our lives to God out of love and gratitude, BECAUSE OF OUR NEW NATURE. Not perfectly, but there should be SOME love and gratitude, and concern about other people IF WE ARE BORN OF GOD>.."Macabeus, post: 3948972, member: 279100"]. As I have stated many times, SALVATION IS FULLY ACCOMPLISHED, and then works follow from love and gratitude. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Macabeus, post: 3947604, member: 279100"]Yep, if it is of grace, then work is no more work. VERY GOOD scripture. KUDOSAnd to Him that has received grace, work is no longer reckoned as meritorious work, it becomes an expression of gratitude and love. 1 JOHN 5:3. AND no one has room to boast, for WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT WE DID NOT RECEiVE FROM GOD. 1 Corinthians 4:7 "Macabeus, post: 3947268, member: 279100"]Justified by faith ALONE, works follow out of love and gratitudeJust like fire produces smoke...All of Grace, it is all of grace, naught of myself, but all from Him, it is all of grace, that is all."Macabeus, post: 3946895, member: 279100"]Never said it had anything to do with salvation. I merely stated that those who are born of God will have the characteristics that John lists in his First Epistle.And we do not work to be saved. We work because we are saved and out of love and gratitude...."Macabeus, post: 4035414, member: 279100"]I agree that fruit is the result and fruit of salvation, not the cause or the root. .Just a few clear quotes from a selection of HUNDREDS where I said that fruit and works flow from salvation and love and gratitude for God for saving us.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
@VCO. I have been accused of not being clear. Here is my position on the matter. Just a few quotes from literally hundreds that I could copy and paste
"Macabeus, post: 4037720, member: 279100"]...We don’t bring anything that was not first given to us by God[/"Macabeus, post: 3949236, member: 279100"]There are several ways the man can serve God in joy and gratitude. ANY born again person can serve God from joy and gratitude of being saved. If nothing else, the fact that I am justified should make me desire to see others saved, and lead to me at least praying for them, if not sharing my faith with them..Macabeus, post: 3949151, member: 279100"]We are justified by faith without works, yes, but when we are justified, we also receive a new nature, and if we have a new nature, we will have new desires, and thus, we will want to see God glorified (new desires) and will labor to that end. Not to be saved, but from love and gratitude..."Macabeus, post: 3948980, member: 279100"]Yes, and then after justification, we live our lives to God out of love and gratitude, BECAUSE OF OUR NEW NATURE. Not perfectly, but there should be SOME love and gratitude, and concern about other people IF WE ARE BORN OF GOD>.."Macabeus, post: 3948972, member: 279100"]. As I have stated many times, SALVATION IS FULLY ACCOMPLISHED, and then works follow from love and gratitude. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Macabeus, post: 3947604, member: 279100"]Yep, if it is of grace, then work is no more work. VERY GOOD scripture. KUDOSAnd to Him that has received grace, work is no longer reckoned as meritorious work, it becomes an expression of gratitude and love. 1 JOHN 5:3. AND no one has room to boast, for WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT WE DID NOT RECEiVE FROM GOD. 1 Corinthians 4:7 "Macabeus, post: 3947268, member: 279100"]Justified by faith ALONE, works follow out of love and gratitudeJust like fire produces smoke...All of Grace, it is all of grace, naught of myself, but all from Him, it is all of grace, that is all."Macabeus, post: 3946895, member: 279100"]Never said it had anything to do with salvation. I merely stated that those who are born of God will have the characteristics that John lists in his First Epistle.And we do not work to be saved. We work because we are saved and out of love and gratitude...."Macabeus, post: 4035414, member: 279100"]I agree that fruit is the result and fruit of salvation, not the cause or the root. .
Just a few clear quotes from a selection of HUNDREDS where I said that fruit and works flow from salvation and love and gratitude for God for saving us.
"Macabeus, post: 4037720, member: 279100"]...We don’t bring anything that was not first given to us by God[/"Macabeus, post: 3949236, member: 279100"]There are several ways the man can serve God in joy and gratitude. ANY born again person can serve God from joy and gratitude of being saved.
If nothing else, the fact that I am justified should make me desire to see others saved, and lead to me at least praying for them, if not sharing my faith with them..Macabeus, post: 3949151, member: 279100"]We are justified by faith without works, yes, but when we are justified, we also receive a new nature, and if we have a new nature, we will have new desires, and thus, we will want to see God glorified (new desires) and will labor to that end. Not to be saved, but from love and gratitude..."Macabeus, post: 3948980, member: 279100"]Yes, and then after justification, we live our lives to God out of love and gratitude, BECAUSE OF OUR NEW NATURE. Not perfectly, but there should be SOME love and gratitude, and concern about other people IF WE ARE BORN OF GOD>.."Macabeus, post: 3948972, member: 279100"]. As I have stated many times, SALVATION IS FULLY ACCOMPLISHED, and then works follow from love and gratitude. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Macabeus, post: 3947604, member: 279100"]Yep, if it is of grace, then work is no more work. VERY GOOD scripture. KUDOSAnd to Him that has received grace, work is no longer reckoned as meritorious work, it becomes an expression of gratitude and love. 1 JOHN 5:3. AND no one has room to boast, for WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT WE DID NOT RECEiVE FROM GOD. 1 Corinthians 4:7 "Macabeus, post: 3947268, member: 279100"]Justified by faith ALONE, works follow out of love and gratitudeJust like fire produces smoke...All of Grace, it is all of grace, naught of myself, but all from Him, it is all of grace, that is all."Macabeus, post: 3946895, member: 279100"]Never said it had anything to do with salvation. I merely stated that those who are born of God will have the characteristics that John lists in his First Epistle.And we do not work to be saved. We work because we are saved and out of love and gratitude...."Macabeus, post: 4035414, member: 279100"]I agree that fruit is the result and fruit of salvation, not the cause or the root. .Just a few clear quotes from a selection of HUNDREDS where I said that fruit and works flow from salvation and love and gratitude for God for saving us.
@VCO, plus the statement in the post you replied to was qualified by the words "It is part of the New Nature"
probably not a good time for me to write lolz
there is a man on youtube finalcall jan and he is preaching sinless perfectionism to the full. he said Jesus isnt interested in losers, only winners. that really made me feel sad this is before i was saved in grace
because i am the biggest loser i know but i think now its opposite Jesus cares mostly about losers. i read 1 corinthians 1 and first shall be last.
there is a man on youtube finalcall jan and he is preaching sinless perfectionism to the full. he said Jesus isnt interested in losers, only winners. that really made me feel sad this is before i was saved in grace
because i am the biggest loser i know but i think now its opposite Jesus cares mostly about losers. i read 1 corinthians 1 and first shall be last.
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Finalcall07 on YouTube is a travesty, no one should listen to that guy
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its so ironic because to say you are sinless is a sin. lolz.
@Lightskin hello friend i cannot respond to your private message you have some setting where i cant send back to you. conversation closed for new replies it says
@Lightskin hello friend i cannot respond to your private message you have some setting where i cant send back to you. conversation closed for new replies it says
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Well repent actually means to turn away from your own way and turn to God. So while you are in the actual act of repentance a by product of that is that you have ceased from sin.
But as soon as you are "finished" or go back to life or whatever, not in a repentant state, doing your own thing, you are subject to sin. You don't have to dwell on it or anything like that but you know that you aren't God and that you aren't Perfect.
And that is what the sinless perfectionist says "I am perfect like God is Perfect". No, sir. You are just as dumb and weak as the rest of us. Sorry to burst your perfect bubble...
But as soon as you are "finished" or go back to life or whatever, not in a repentant state, doing your own thing, you are subject to sin. You don't have to dwell on it or anything like that but you know that you aren't God and that you aren't Perfect.
And that is what the sinless perfectionist says "I am perfect like God is Perfect". No, sir. You are just as dumb and weak as the rest of us. Sorry to burst your perfect bubble...
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Well repent actually means to turn away from your own way and turn to God. So while you are in the actual act of repentance a by product of that is that you have ceased from sin.
But as soon as you are "finished" or go back to life or whatever, not in a repentant state, doing your own thing, you are subject to sin. You don't have to dwell on it or anything like that but you know that you aren't God and that you aren't Perfect.
And that is what the sinless perfectionist says "I am perfect like God is Perfect". No, sir. You are just as dumb and weak as the rest of us. Sorry to burst your perfect bubble...
But as soon as you are "finished" or go back to life or whatever, not in a repentant state, doing your own thing, you are subject to sin. You don't have to dwell on it or anything like that but you know that you aren't God and that you aren't Perfect.
And that is what the sinless perfectionist says "I am perfect like God is Perfect". No, sir. You are just as dumb and weak as the rest of us. Sorry to burst your perfect bubble...
In scripture in context away from dead works to Christ
The root of the meaning of the word repentance: meta=after; noeo=to think. Put the two together and the effect of meta was “after the fact” or “afterwards.”
Essentially, it means to think about something later on and have a reversal of opinion about it. Thus, repentance meant “to change the mind.” Specifically—to change the mind about Christ.
