When does that happen in relation to baptism? The moment you are saved you receive faith through grace, then salvation, and justification, and sanctification? Of does the gift faith through grace baptism, repent, then you are saved then then baptism then salvation then justification then sanctification? Maybe its just the order wrong, Please also let me know. and at what point are you grafted into the vine? When is it ok to do works? Faith, grace, save, repent, baptize, salvation, justification, sanctification, graft, works, eternal life
So the "unsaved" are grafted into the vine and then cut off and burned? So the unsaved can be grafted in, but they don't receive eternal salvation or justification, etc, but when the saved are grafted in they do? and they produce fruit and those fruit are not works they are?
fruits of the spirit is lifestyle? This may be answered by the question above. Just trying to keep it straight.
We do follow the law/keep the commandments then? We do sin, we do repent, we obey?
I am trying to put it all in the order as people are telling me it goes. I hope I got it close to right, I'll soon see. Very interested in the unsaved being grafted in. Very happy to see keep the commandments because of the Lords Prayer and sin and repentance. Looking forward to it.
WOW, you ask a LOT of Questions in ONE POST. You have to consider How much space there is left for ME to answer. DO NOT ASK MORE THAN TWO QUESTIONS PER POST. There are 10 in your post, which Limits me to very few sentences to answer each question.
I will try to SIMPLIFY IT, by starting with your misunderstanding of GRAFTED IN. Many Church think Christ Grafted into the Vine, MEANS they think we become Spiritual Israelites. NOT! And I can PROVE THAT TO YOU, that GOD is not FINISHED WITH ISRAEL And you need to Separate the Two Covenant Assemblies to be BIBLICAL until the RAPTURE.
There is the most common GRAPHED IN trees in our agriculture. English Walnut are GRAPHED IN to Black Walnut trunks and Roots. NEVER DO THEY PRODUCE BLACK WALNUTS ON THE ENGLISH WALNUT BRANCHES. So much for the FALSE THEORY that we are Spiritual Israelites. It only means we get the Sustenances come from the SAME SOURCE as the Isaelites.
Do you know that the word CHURCH is NOT IN THE TEACHINGS OF THE DISCIPLES or JESUS? JESUS Did not say:
"I will build my CHURCH and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." Here is what JESUS actually SAID:
Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
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`And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;
Yes, that is the SAME NAME AS HE CALLED THE OLD TESTAMENT
ASSEMBLY. I personally think they confused the issue by INSERTING the word CHURCH when they started to use it, sometime after the BIBLE was complete. There are TWO FOLDS, that will not become ONE FLOCK, UNTIL THE RAPTURE.
Look at this:
John 10:14-17 (NJB)
14 I am the good shepherd; I know my own and my own know me,
15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for my sheep.
16 And there are other sheep I have that are not of this fold, and I must lead these too. They too will listen to my voice, and there will be only one flock, one shepherd.
17 The Father loves me, because I lay down my life in order to take it up again.
First of all remember the Birthday of the CHURCH is the Day of Pentecost after HIS RESURRECTION. So who is he talking to HERE? It has to be the LAST of the Old Testament SAINTS, who had the FAITH OF ABRAHAM just like us. They believed GOD and it was counted unto them as Righteousness. So they were all saved the same way we are. AND BOTH OF US LISTEN TO HIS VOICE.
Malachi 3:6 (HCSB)
6 “Because I,
Yahweh, have not changed,
you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.
When we have that FAITH OF ABRAHAM, we are SAVED, AND GOD KNOWS WHO WE ARE WAY BEFORE, and HE SAID
BEFORE TIME BEGAN:
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
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He has saved us and called us with a holy calling,
not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace,
which was given to us in Christ Jesus
before time began.
Here is why I have a low tolerance for People who think they can EARN SALVATION and have to WORK TO KEEP THEMSELVES SAVED.
John 10:1 (NASB)
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"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber.
Now that is an Eye Opener.
When WE make a DECISION to RECEIVE CHRIST as LORD meaning MASTER, we know that Decision MEANS
NO TURNING BACK.
AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE TO KEEP US SAVED ? ? ? GUESS WHO ? ? ?
John 10:27-30 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
30 The Father and I are one.”
1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into
an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
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You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that
He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
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Maybe it would be helpful if I share a bit of my Testimony with you.
First of all I was born and raised a LUTHERAN that was baptized as an infant. I was NOT Born Again until I was 29 years of age, and only then do I consider myself a REAL CHRISTIAN, and did not change churches until I was 30 years old, and now I am 70. Was I a Church Goer that thought I had to be a Christian because I took up space on a pew fairly regularly. They only had 10 - 15 minute sermons in the Lutheran Church, a STARVATION DIET OF THE WORD at best. I first when to Evangelical Free Church with 45 min. sermons, then to a non-denominational that the sermons lasted at least an hour. I COULD NOT GET ENOUGH BIBLE TEACHING!
So the difference between before I was Born Again and after, I totally Surrendered to JESUS, the night of my third attempt at SUICIDE in a week; is the difference between NIGHT AND DAY. I do not think I was ever saved growing up, but that night after several hours of weeping and CRYING like a baby, over my utterly sinful lifestyle, I willing gave CONTROL OF MY LIFE TO JESUS as my LORD AND MASTER out of PURE LOVE. THAT IS THE FIRST TIME I KNOW HE CAME INTO MY HEART AND THE HOLY SPIRIT TOO, and began to transform ME. IT WAS CHRIST IN ME WHO DID IT ALL.
Ask me again, if you want more details.
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