Not By Works
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That's not what he said. He said it takes a period of growth and maturity to bear ANYTHING. (in reference to fruit)
SO that means NO FRUIT whatsoever until the person has had time to grow and mature.
Can a brand new Christian give a testimony that brings forth fruit? Or does he have to wait a while to confess Jesus?
SO that means NO FRUIT whatsoever until the person has had time to grow and mature.
Can a brand new Christian give a testimony that brings forth fruit? Or does he have to wait a while to confess Jesus?
IF you keep accusing me of saying that works are necessary for salvation etc. you are not reading my posts.
You have never schooled me. Jesus schools you if you read John 15:5. WHOEVER abides in Him bears fruit. When did you begin to abide in Him. When you believed or when you believed and then matured and grew for a while.
You have never schooled me. Jesus schools you if you read John 15:5. WHOEVER abides in Him bears fruit. When did you begin to abide in Him. When you believed or when you believed and then matured and grew for a while.
and bringing up how long it takes a fruit tree to bear fruit is not schooling someone, it is making an analogy to walk on all fours.
If you do that to the parable of the wheat and the tares, then it takes wheat thousands of years to grow. Because the growth of the wheat in that parable lasted until THE END OF THE AGE.
So don't be so quick to proclaim victory.
If you do that to the parable of the wheat and the tares, then it takes wheat thousands of years to grow. Because the growth of the wheat in that parable lasted until THE END OF THE AGE.
So don't be so quick to proclaim victory.
I'm not, you guys are.
Does it take thousands of years for wheat to grow? Because if I use the same principle of interpretation you are using right now with the parable of the wheat and the tares, that would mean it takes thousands of years for wheat to grow. It's called making an analogy walk on all fours.
Does it take thousands of years for wheat to grow? Because if I use the same principle of interpretation you are using right now with the parable of the wheat and the tares, that would mean it takes thousands of years for wheat to grow. It's called making an analogy walk on all fours.
He said it takes a period of growth and maturity to produce ANYTHING. Anything excludes everything does it not.
So the "testimony that produces fruit" is included in his statement.
SO is his statement right or wrong.
...and remember, he did not say "it MAY take years", he said "it takes years period". This is not a contingent possibility, it is spoken as a universal necessity.
So the "testimony that produces fruit" is included in his statement.
SO is his statement right or wrong.
...and remember, he did not say "it MAY take years", he said "it takes years period". This is not a contingent possibility, it is spoken as a universal necessity.
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