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No...we argue with your obedience laced and embellished salvation that can be lost like a euro at the local park and then regained by what you do........make no mistake Fran....this is our argument and why you and I will never agree...........and the truth....the above view taints many of your other views as well
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why is it that your Jesus sounds so much like this shepherd --
For I am going to raise up a shepherd over the land who will not care for the lost, or seek the young, or heal the injured, or feed the healthy, but will eat the meat of the choice sheep, tearing off their hooves.
(Zechariah 11:16)
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You continuously say that A Child of God MUST be obedient, or he will lose Salvation. It would be silly to pick specific posts, because this is your theme in virtually ALL your posts.
How do you square this view with your favorite verses? Can a Child of God be separated from Him in opposition to those verses?
How do you square this view with your favorite verses? Can a Child of God be separated from Him in opposition to those verses?
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But why would we?
As you said to me earlier and I requoted your post asking for clarification, yet to respond.
After all a good example of lost sheep coming back is the prodical son.
If that's the case then we do not need to go after the lost sheep.
Not attacking you here but asked you a few times about how the lost sheep returns.
So given the above that you say then the example of the prodical son is not a correct one and is irrelevant?
Your words
As you said to me earlier and I requoted your post asking for clarification, yet to respond.
After all a good example of lost sheep coming back is the prodical son.
If that's the case then we do not need to go after the lost sheep.
Not attacking you here but asked you a few times about how the lost sheep returns.
So given the above that you say then the example of the prodical son is not a correct one and is irrelevant?
Your words
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Are you a farmer?
Do you know about soil?
There is definitely naturally good soil based on the geological history of the land mass......like the Niagara Region naturally fertile soil.
This is basic elementary school science.
I find it funny you are using non scriptural ideas like Pelagianism to understand a parable???
Do you know about soil?
There is definitely naturally good soil based on the geological history of the land mass......like the Niagara Region naturally fertile soil.
This is basic elementary school science.
I find it funny you are using non scriptural ideas like Pelagianism to understand a parable???
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the scripture isn't agnostic.
it doesn't speak about a God who created, then wandered off never to have anything to do with us again.
it says He is active among His people, and those He calls to Himself
amen
it doesn't speak about a God who created, then wandered off never to have anything to do with us again.
it says He is active among His people, and those He calls to Himself
I will lead the blind by a way they do not know,
In paths they do not know I will guide them.
I will make darkness into light before them
And rugged places into plains.
These are the things I will do,
And I will not leave them undone.
(Isaiah 42:16)
(Isaiah 42:16)
amen
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Just for the record as it is dear to my heart.
We are all to seek out those who have gone astray.
We are called to do that rather than just write them off as dirty miserable sinners.
When we do we should be willing to walk with them, get into the nitty gritty of what is going on and disciple them.
If they genuinely have no desire to be discipled then we can step back.
But never ever ever be a Pharisee.
As we judge so will we be judged.
And that's all I to say about that.
We are all to seek out those who have gone astray.
We are called to do that rather than just write them off as dirty miserable sinners.
When we do we should be willing to walk with them, get into the nitty gritty of what is going on and disciple them.
If they genuinely have no desire to be discipled then we can step back.
But never ever ever be a Pharisee.
As we judge so will we be judged.
And that's all I to say about that.
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So says the daily sinner.
You hate the fact I point out that you yourself are not being obedient because you sin every single day of your life. You love to say "that's not the issue" or "stop attacking me personally" or some other garbage.
The fact is Fran, you and your self-righteous ilk don't like that spotlight of condemnation you love to shine on others, turned back on you.
Jesus gave them this answer: "Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself; He can do only what He sees His Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does."
(John 5:19)
the ensample He gave for us is to see what the Father is doing and join Him in His work.
He said take up His yoke, walking beside and with Him, not take up your own yoke and go plow that other pasture, that He Himself refuses to plow.
if i chase down a stray sheep, it is because that is what He is doing, and i follow Him.
if the man Christ Jesus does nothing but what the Father is doing, am i greater than Him??
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"Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of My pasture!”
declares the LORD.
Therefore thus says the LORD God of Israel concerning the shepherds who are tending My people:
“You have scattered My flock and driven them away, and have not attended to them; behold, I am about to attend to you for the evil of your deeds,”
declares the LORD.
"I Myself will gather the remnant of My flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and bring them back to their pasture, and they will be fruitful and multiply. I will also raise up shepherds over them and they will tend them; and they will not be afraid any longer, nor be terrified, nor will any be missing,”
declares the LORD.
(Jeremiah 23:3-4)
i notice He says, you worthless shepherds are scattering My people -- and then He says, He Himself will gather them from where He Himself has driven them
i find this enormously interesting
He also says, He will raise up shepherds to tend them - and none will be missing.
does He say they will gather the missing?
no, He says He will do it. rather emphatically.
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