Not By Works

[stonesoffire]

how to know if i got this? been depressed my entire life, literally. rarely get excited about things. not on meds and dont plan on going on em im doing better nowadays

I was the same for many years Hev. And I started praying for deliverance after viewing Sheepfold on tv. It was a deliverance ministry. I knew if I could get there, I would be delivered. I started attending a coffeehouse in the city where I worked. And the Lord sent a young man to there who did teachings on the authority and power of Jesus.

I had a spirit of grief from certain life experiences. Now depression can't touch me no matter what happens.

 

[posthuman]

Worldly music, worldly tv, worldly internet, worldly relationships, ... are those who promote sin, immortality, unrighteousness and the like.


Does what you watch and listen to and the relationships you keep, move you closer to God or away from Him?



JPT

I went past the field of a sluggard,​

past the vineyard of someone who has no sense;​

thorns had come up everywhere,​

the ground was covered with weeds,​

and the stone wall was in ruins.​

I applied my heart to what I observed​

and learned a lesson from what I saw:​

A little sleep, a little slumber,​

a little folding of the hands to rest—​

and poverty will come on you like a thief​

and scarcity like an armed man.
(Proverbs 24:30-34)​

Solomon went and looked at a worldly field belonging to a worldly man
did it lead him closer or further from God to see it?

this here's the key, IMO

I applied my heart to what I observed​

and learned a lesson from what I saw​

what good does it do me to hang out on CC reading page after page of bad theology, wrong doctrine and poor exegesis?
absolutely none, if i don't apply my heart to what i observe. but if i do, who knows but that i may learn something from it?

 

[posthuman]

(Jeremiah 23:3-4)

oops

that's 1-4

 

[stonesoffire]

If anyone feels they need help, pm me. I can recommend several ministries.

The course on demons was online. Not offered anymore.

 

[BillG]

how to know if i got this? been depressed my entire life, literally. rarely get excited about things. not on meds and dont plan on going on em im doing better nowadays

In the boat with you.
Don't think I have depression.
But sure do here generalised severe anxiety.

 

[stonesoffire]

I do not believe he is talking about Satan in Ephesians 3:10.....as a matter of fact the King James translation of that verse is very misleading......and even if the King James translation is used.....the question begs to be answered....WHY or HOW could God possibly USE the CHURCH to TEACH SATAN about the many sided (manifold) aspects of God's Wisdom.....?? AND SORRY....JESUS contradicts whoever taught you.........

New American Standard Bible
So that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places.

To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly placesmight be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God.

AND.....EVEN the words of JESUS proves that SATAN is on the earth ruling.....--->He wrote to the Church of Pergamos and said......

I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Seat
thronos: a throne
Original Word: θρόνος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: thronos
Phonetic Spelling: (thron'-os)
Definition: a throne
Usage: a (king's) throne, seat; meton: power, dominion; a potentate.

dwelleth

katoikeó: to inhabit, to settle
Original Word: κατοικέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katoikeó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-oy-keh'-o)
Definition: to inhabit, to settle
Usage: I dwell in, settle in, am established in (permanently), inhabit.

....WHY or HOW could God possibly USE the CHURCH to TEACH SATAN about the many sided (manifold) aspects of God's Wisdom.....?

? Where did you get that from the scripture? The church should know what to do for tormented people.

 

[posthuman]

it is not Jesus who go after the lost sheep, but us.

“Am I a God who is near,” ​

declares the LORD,​

“And not a God far off?"
(Jeremiah 23:23) ​

 

[posthuman]

I do not believe he is talking about Satan in Ephesians 3:10.....as a matter of fact the King James translation of that verse is very misleading......and even if the King James translation is used.....the question begs to be answered....WHY or HOW could God possibly USE the CHURCH to TEACH SATAN about the many sided (manifold) aspects of God's Wisdom.....?? AND SORRY....JESUS contradicts whoever taught you.........

New American Standard Bible
So that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places.

To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly placesmight be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God.

AND.....EVEN the words of JESUS proves that SATAN is on the earth ruling.....--->He wrote to the Church of Pergamos and said......

I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Seat
thronos: a throne
Original Word: θρόνος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: thronos
Phonetic Spelling: (thron'-os)
Definition: a throne
Usage: a (king's) throne, seat; meton: power, dominion; a potentate.

dwelleth

katoikeó: to inhabit, to settle
Original Word: κατοικέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katoikeó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-oy-keh'-o)
Definition: to inhabit, to settle
Usage: I dwell in, settle in, am established in (permanently), inhabit.

....WHY or HOW could God possibly USE the CHURCH to TEACH SATAN about the many sided (manifold) aspects of God's Wisdom.....?

? Where did you get that from the scripture? The church should know what to do for tormented people.

what about,

the same way that, in Genesis 3, the angels were watching, and learned His wisdom when He said that One would arise and crush the head of the serpent.

they see what He is doing, what He has done in redeeming man
not that we ourselves are preaching to heavenly beings -- but by what He demonstrates in us, they see, and are taught?

 

[stonesoffire]

I should for certain, but i don't have a Bible handy right now, but i believe his prayer intensely included the disciples in the immediate hearing area, but at the end he includes "all that believe through their word... which would be you and I also, but that knly extends hjs prayer request to the father to a broader people with no mention of the world he blatantly didn't include, i dunno if im hitting the mark your after.
Sorry about the babe comment, it was for a suttle approach. I see so much negativity at times (and i certainly play my role at times) i was being cautious.

What I want to know is, positionally is the world or all ever born raised up with Jesus in His resurrection? I know that this has to be received personally for each of us but if this is true...why isn't it being preached?

Is this why Jesus said to lift up the Cross and all men will be drawn to Him.

Not teaching it....searching.

 

[dcontroversal]

....WHY or HOW could God possibly USE the CHURCH to TEACH SATAN about the many sided (manifold) aspects of God's Wisdom.....?

? Where did you get that from the scripture? The church should know what to do for tormented people.

From your first quote in reply to y questions about why you think Satan is in the 2nd heaven......the words of JESUS, Peter and PAUL seem to contradict that idea.

 

[BillG]

I was the same for many years Hev. And I started praying for deliverance after viewing Sheepfold on tv. It was a deliverance ministry. I knew if I could get there, I would be delivered. I started attending a coffeehouse in the city where I worked. And the Lord sent a young man to there who did teachings on the authority and power of Jesus.

I had a spirit of grief from certain life experiences. Now depression can't touch me no matter what happens.

My severe generalised anxiety actually started in church.
One minute fine then the next minute it was like my stomach was ripped open and a bazillion butterflies placed in my stomach.
At its worst it paralyses me.

Went for deliverance ministry stones.

Was worse afterwards.
There was manifestation of something.
Rejection. I remember vividly getting very hot, pushing my seat back and saying "I have every right to be here, been here in the womb, now **** off.

It wasnt dealt with. The people walking with me fell ill.
Was offered it with another couple but refused it.
I couldn't bear having to talk with the new couple who I did not know and having to talk about all the stuff from my past again. Shame, pain and guilt was too much to expose again.

Suffered with it now for 30 years.
Still here, run a company, employ 30 people, 4 Christian children, ministry in church, on my own and one with my wife.

I drag my sorry ass out of bed and do the above..

For me maybe that's it, maybe that's what the rest of my life will me.
Maybe it's the thorn in my flesh, and yes it is painful. But I have learned to forsake me and love others in all of this.

 

[stonesoffire]

what about,

the same way that, in Genesis 3, the angels were watching, and learned His wisdom when He said that One would arise and crush the head of the serpent.

they see what He is doing, what He has done in redeeming man
not that we ourselves are preaching to heavenly beings -- but by what He demonstrates in us, they see, and are taught?

Interesting thoughts. Am going to look at other translations.

 

[BillG]

Worldly music, worldly tv, worldly internet, worldly relationships, ... are those who promote sin, immortality, unrighteousness and the like.


Does what you watch and listen to and the relationships you keep, move you closer to God or away from Him?



JPT

Whilst I do agree with the above why do you limit to just the above?
Could we not add much much more to that list?

What do you think?

 

[stonesoffire]

From your first quote in reply to y questions about why you think Satan is in the 2nd heaven......the words of JESUS, Peter and PAUL seem to contradict that idea.

This is from bible-knowledge.com

4. Earthbound Demons
However, as we also know, Satan also has many of his demons who are working down here on this first heaven, which I believe is our earth. Many people call these earthbound demons.

These are the demons who will try and attach to people, whether it be to get in on the inside of their bodies, or follow them around like a dark cloud trying to cause as much trouble and mayhem as they possibly can with them.

What many deliverance ministers have found out is that many of these earthbound demons are taking direct orders from these higher ranking demons who are in these 2nd heaven positions.

And not only do these higher-ranking demons control some of the action down here with demons who are assigned to certain individuals, but these second heaven demons are also controlling the action over certain geographical areas on our earth.

And this now brings us right into the heart of this debate. Do we as Christians have the power and authority from the Lord to directly engage with these 2nd heaven demons, or should we only deal with the earthbound demons who are directly attacking people down here on this earth?

After studying both sides of this argument, it is our own personal opinion that we only deal directly with the earthbound demons who are working down here on this earth trying to attack as many individuals as they can.

When you study the Gospel accounts of Jesus and the apostles taking on demonic spirits, they were only taking on demons who were on the inside of people. There is not one verse in the Bible that I am aware of where Jesus or one of His apostles were taking on any demons who were operating in the 2nd heaven.

In the Great Commission Command given to us by Jesus right before He left us, He told us to “cast out demons.”

The way Jesus was wording this command, you can tell that He is referring to demons who are attached to people, not to demons who are operating in these 2nd heaven positions. He also does not give us any words or commands to “cast down” demons from the 2nd heaven positions. As such, I believe we should stay completely away from this kind of activity.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Pray for us in SE Michigan. We're gonna get hit with a very, very bad windstorm.

you weren't kidding..... my house is shaking and crackling

gettin hit now over here

powerful constant winds for awhile

 

[stonesoffire]

My severe generalised anxiety actually started in church.
One minute fine then the next minute it was like my stomach was ripped open and a bazillion butterflies placed in my stomach.
At its worst it paralyses me.

Went for deliverance ministry stones.

Was worse afterwards.
There was manifestation of something.
Rejection. I remember vividly getting very hot, pushing my seat back and saying "I have every right to be here, been here in the womb, now **** off.

It wasnt dealt with. The people walking with me fell ill.
Was offered it with another couple but refused it.
I couldn't bear having to talk with the new couple who I did not know and having to talk about all the stuff from my past again. Shame, pain and guilt was too much to expose again.

Suffered with it now for 30 years.
Still here, run a company, employ 30 people, 4 Christian children, ministry in church, on my own and one with my wife.

I drag my sorry ass out of bed and do the above..

For me maybe that's it, maybe that's what the rest of my life will me.
Maybe it's the thorn in my flesh, and yes it is painful. But I have learned to forsake me and love others in all of this.

I wouldn't accept it as your thorn in the flesh unless Holy Spirit speaks that. I don't see you as one who would get a big head over many revelations like Paul. Not meaning this a judgement to put you down, I just don't see pride in you.

The ministries that I know about are in the states. Greater Works from Monroeville, Pa. is one. Hope I don't get into trouble posting this but it's too important to me.

Jesus gives us the abundant life. Pray and let Jesus bring you to the right one. I'll agree with you.

 

[BillG]

don't see you as one who would get a big head over many revelations like Paul. Not meaning this a judgement to put you down, I just don't see pride in you.

Not sure what you mean here.

 

[stonesoffire]

Not sure what you mean here.

Jesus allowed a thorn in flesh to be in Paul because of his many revelations. To keep him humble I think. But, it's what he said.

 

[stonesoffire]

Something I'm going to share here.

When I was very young....early teens I think it was....the devil spoke to me that he had an army and I was destined for it.

This caused great agitation in me. It was always in the back of my mind. Even after being born again and Baptized in Holy Spirit.

He speaks doubts and lies all the time. If he says it...it's a lie. But, I had to learn the power of the Word to oppose those doubts.

We never belonged to him. We are the Lords creation. Being ransomed back from the power of the enemy....so wonderful. Freed to be who we are created to be...and to be with. God!

He goes after that lost sheep for one reason. He loves us!

 

[50C1AL0N3]

So, a friend of mines child (25 yrs old) is preparing for eternity with Satan because he has been paralysed from the neck down since he was 5. It was his cause that led to the accident so he blames his own damnation on his stupidity. He is in his own hell because he can't physically manifest gokd works meet for repentance.

I apologize, this story is.ake believe. It was intended to open tbe eyes of the people who put too much credit and emphasis on the physical manifestation of good work's.
When the crowd asked Christ, "What shall we do to do the work of God?"
Christ was clear and cut and dry with his response. "Believe on the one he has sent".
There is nl kther way to vkew this. it is a simple, one sente ce answed, wigh absolutely no elaboration.