Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

Amen! I will answer my own questions.

Do you believe that there is ONE God in essence/nature who eternally exists in three distinct persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Do you believe that JESUS IS GOD?

My answer is YES!!!

Now lets see if unclesilas can man up and answer YES or NO.

HE won't.............Just like the rich man in hell......He refused to acknowledge the truth...EVEN while cooking in HELL he said NOOOOOOOOO to the truth presented by Abraham.......BUT IF he said.....just like these guys..........

 

[unclesilas]

Still playing games. Is that a YES or NO to my question? p

Two days ago I asked you to do this exegesis, you could not do it then and you cannot do it now. People like you who try and turn reputable translations of the bible on their head and claim it is deep understanding, never will understand the meat of the word, or be able to spiritually discern it, so it has to be deflection

 

[dcontroversal]

So according to you the Holy Spirit is the author of Confusion and does not lead the willing into all truth?

I know you don't believe that eternally grateful.

Incidentally contextually speaking the Holy Spirit was mentioned in respects to the amazing growth of the New Testament church. Thousands daily.

Now another spirit works in GOD's professed people contrary to HIS'. Hence the confusion you speak of.

Do you understand the word sarcasm?

 

[Budman]

So according to you the Holy Spirit is the author of Confusion and does not lead the willing into all truth?

I know you don't believe that eternally grateful.

Then why did you infer it?

 

[50C1AL0N3]

I did not receive a YES or NO answer from you. You like to play games.

Not until you stop playing games and answer YES or NO to my question.

I'm like Horshack over here. Pick me, pick me, I wanna know what the question is to see if I am learning (or should I say ' ring taught")..,"over here"!

 

[Goodnewsman]

Then the "eternal life" Jesus promised isn't eternal - only probationary, predicated upon our continual belief.

Which again, would make God a liar.

no sir, it doesn't make God a liar.......it means OSAS crowd wants to cherry pick God's word for there favorite candy sticks

do you know the meaning of "eternal life"?

John 17:1-3 (KJV)
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Now lets allow the BIBLE, to be it's own commentary...........balancing scriptures with scriptures

verse 3 this is Eternal life----is "knowing God

1 John 2:3-5 (KJV)
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

if you dont keep his commandments, you dont know HIM, if you don't know HIM you do not have eternal life

here, lets do another one of OSAS candy stick verses

1 John 5:11-12 (KJV)
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

again lets balance scripture with scripture

2 John 1:9 (KJV)
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

1John 5:11-12 eternal life is in the son.........if you have the Son you have life......if you have not the son, you have not life

if you transgress, and abide not.......you dont have God....

so, eternal life is given to those who "hath God"
if you transgress and abide not.....you don't have God

lets look at who does has eternal life​

Jesus answers, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death" (John 8:51).

Paul replies that God "will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life" (Rom. 2:6-7).

The writer to the Hebrews states that Christ is "the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him" (5:9).

John adds: "Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life" (I John 2:24-25).

This is an impressive array of clear-cut, unambiguous answers. Who has and shall have eternal life?
Those who keep Christ's sayings; those who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality; those who obey the Lord; and those who continue in the Son and in the Father. None other need apply.

 

[lightbearer]

The greatest power seen, and the most rapid developement of the church, came before, not after the emergence of scholars and theologians after the first century church had been established. Nor did that church have concordances methinks

The written word in which we call the Bible was not all that common either.
Now most rely on the physical more than the Spirit.

 

[dcontroversal]

I did not receive a YES or NO answer from you. You like to play games.

Not until you stop playing games and answer YES or NO to my question.

Good luck....might as well ask the clown working the next door neighbor's birthday party........a way better chance of getting a straight, honest answer.....

 

[Budman]

if you dont keep his commandments, you dont know HIM, if you don't know HIM you do not have eternal life

I see. So, you keep the commandments perfectly at all times - or do you sin every single day?

Cue excuses for your hypocrisy in 3.....2....1.....

 

[Argueless]

It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

 

[dcontroversal]

HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA at least we can be honest with context and the actual verbiage............I see we have another cake taker here now.........task master.......imagine his congregation......afraid to pass gas because they may lose their salvation...............

 

[Hevosmies]

We all have and have addressed it numerous times....Fran states they were saved and lost it......as do numerous others that believe salvation can be lost like a poker hand with a pair of deuces.....

They cant say that because i proved from the scriptures alone that Jesus says "i NEVER knew them" and to the sheep He says I KNOW THEM and they follow me, and He promises to RAISE THEM UP at the last day and lose none of His sheep

 

[dcontroversal]

I see. So, you keep the commandments perfectly at all times - or do you sin every single day?

Cue excuses for your hypocrisy in 3.....2....1.....

He started a church in his own house..........I bet no one misses a service with salvation on the line........and they probably all give at least 10%.........

 

[dcontroversal]

They cant say that because i proved from the scriptures alone that Jesus says "i NEVER knew them" and to the sheep He says I KNOW THEM and they follow me, and He promises to RAISE THEM UP at the last day and lose none of His sheep

Let me tell you brother....she and several others do indeed say that they were saved and lost it................I have been fighting this fight for years..........

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So according to you the Holy Spirit is the author of Confusion and does not lead the willing into all truth?

No, according to me, all this different people who believe different claiming the HS taught them can not be true, UNLES the holy spirit is the author of confusion.

So find a better reason why you think your right, and that goes for all of us, the HS strawman is useless.

I know you don't believe that eternally grateful.

Well thats good.

Incidentally contextually speaking the Holy Spirit was mentioned in respects to the amazing growth of the New Testament church. Thousands daily.

Now another spirit works in GOD's professed people contrary to HIS'. Hence the confusion you speak of.

Ok, now this i see, i thought you ment today the HS.. forgive me.

 

[mailmandan]

Two days ago I asked you to do this exegesis, you could not do it then and you cannot do it now. People like you who try and turn reputable translations of the bible on their head and claim it is deep understanding, never will understand the meat of the word, or cbe able to spiritually discern it

I could easily do it, but why should I? All you want to do is argue, play games and try to disprove OSAS at all costs. BTW, I have not turned reputable Bible translations on their head, yet you only quote from translations that appear more to suit your doctrine and ignore the Greek that doesn't support your cause.

If the answer to my question THAT YOU KEEP AVOIDING is NO, then that explains a lot and also exposes you! It's time to man up.

YES or NO

 

[Hevosmies]

You do not say to someone who is replying to someone who said "it takes years to bear fruit" and say, "why are you so obsessed with how long it takes to bear fruit", when that person never said how long it takes to bear fruit. DC said how long it takes, not me.

I just did.

But okay, so people called you liar and deceiver, now if I got a dime for every time I was called a name on the internet, I would be writing this from a mansion in Alaska! (Yes, Alaska you read that right, NOT A FAN of warm climate!)

It takes a long time -> it may take a long time. Yes they are different statements, from two different people, i dont see why thats so alarming? Surely you dont think that everyone is perfect the moment of conversion?

I mean, I know a bunch of people burnt their witchcraft books or secular music CDs when they got saved, but they were still far from perfect!

 

[unclesilas]

I could easily do it, but why should I? All you want to do is argue, play games and try to disprove OSAS at all costs. BTW, I have not turned reputable Bible translations on their head, yet you only quote from translations that appear more to suit your doctrine and ignore the Greek that doesn't support your cause.

If the answer to my question THAT YOU KEEP AVOIDING is NO, then that explains a lot and also exposes you! It's time to man up.

YES or NO

I know you cannot easily do it, if you could, you would have done it by now to prove me wrong

 

[Hevosmies]

I could easily do it, but why should I? All you want to do is argue, play games and try to disprove OSAS at all costs. BTW, I have not turned reputable Bible translations on their head, yet you only quote from translations that appear more to suit your doctrine and ignore the Greek that doesn't support your cause.

If the answer to my question THAT YOU KEEP AVOIDING is NO, then that explains a lot and also exposes you! It's time to man up.

YES or NO

Im sorry brother Dan, whats the question? Not adressed to me but im a curious cat!

 

[dcontroversal]

I guess you forgot the passage about the shepperd leaving the flck tomgo find the sheepmthat strayed away and was lost,

And of course the word lost means that the sheep who was a goat went back to being a goat and now has to be made a sheep again.....

lost saved lost saved lost saved lost saved lost saved lost saved lost saved
goat sheep goat sheep goat sheep goat sheep goat sheep goat sheep goat sheep

Wow...................there is absolutely NO HOPE and or FAITH in the false gospel that one can lose salvation.....talk about walking on pins and needles....