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Romans 5:19
For as by ONE mans disobedience, many were made sinners , so also by ONE mans obedience, many will be made righteous
For as by ONE mans disobedience, many were made sinners , so also by ONE mans obedience, many will be made righteous
But not as the offence, so also the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
(Romans 5:16)
(Romans 5:16)
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You do not know me, and for you to say that I do not understand the first thing about being born again is just a little disingenuous.
One Christian does not question another Christian about such things. I wouldn't even begin to question your born again status, or any Christians born again status. That would be a giant supposition, one that none of us are qualified to even vocalize.
You must think very highly of yourself for supposing that I do not understand...., and you do.
So please try to be a follower of Jesus, engaged in the work of the Lord. Thank you, and let me worry about my salvation path.
One Christian does not question another Christian about such things. I wouldn't even begin to question your born again status, or any Christians born again status. That would be a giant supposition, one that none of us are qualified to even vocalize.
You must think very highly of yourself for supposing that I do not understand...., and you do.
So please try to be a follower of Jesus, engaged in the work of the Lord. Thank you, and let me worry about my salvation path.
In God's eyes, and in all practicality, faith is greater than works.
"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away" (Isaiah 64:6).
This word picture of filthy rags speaks of menstrual clothes. Even as a child of God, if God is not 'working' through us, they are unacceptable wood, hay and stubble.
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure" (Philippians 2:12-13).
Working 'out' in the above verse speaks of doing that for which we were saved for.
The cultists will jump all over the simplicity of Scripture and shove their heretical beliefs so as to confuse the sheep ... but listen to the Spirit of God Who is the only Teacher we ever need. He will convince you in the depths of your understanding which is right and which is wrong.
Why?
"We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error" (I John 4:6).
"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away" (Isaiah 64:6).
This word picture of filthy rags speaks of menstrual clothes. Even as a child of God, if God is not 'working' through us, they are unacceptable wood, hay and stubble.
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure" (Philippians 2:12-13).
Working 'out' in the above verse speaks of doing that for which we were saved for.
The cultists will jump all over the simplicity of Scripture and shove their heretical beliefs so as to confuse the sheep ... but listen to the Spirit of God Who is the only Teacher we ever need. He will convince you in the depths of your understanding which is right and which is wrong.
Why?
"We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error" (I John 4:6).
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Then the scripture is wrong. Take your choice. Our only discussion is who is meant by "Every branch in me" To me:
Every branch = Every mortal person.
IN ME = Those mortal persons who believe in me and are born again and are IN ME and I IN THEM.
The parable of the branches in the true vine is about those mortal persons that believe, are born again, and are IN JESUS.
Do you have another thought about what is meant by "Every branch in me"?
This can only be the only interpretation discussion, so tell me what you think "Every branch in me" means to you. Thank you.
EL is short for Eternal Life.
Every branch = Every mortal person.
IN ME = Those mortal persons who believe in me and are born again and are IN ME and I IN THEM.
The parable of the branches in the true vine is about those mortal persons that believe, are born again, and are IN JESUS.
Do you have another thought about what is meant by "Every branch in me"?
This can only be the only interpretation discussion, so tell me what you think "Every branch in me" means to you. Thank you.
EL is short for Eternal Life.
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why do you pretend like this is some new thing?
youve been here long enough to see that you add works to
by grace through faith
in your doctrine God either casts His own out
or they can pluck themself from His hand
youve called a gift a reward
truth is
1.
john 6
27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
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2.
Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.
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1 peter 1
3.Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
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1 john 3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
romans 4
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
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IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS
Isaiah 53:11 - He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
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romans 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
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Romans 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous
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2 Corinthians 5:21 - For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
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Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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we are saved by grace through faith....
and when we (born again sons and daughters of God)
are judged
we will also be judged by the same standard as EVERYONE
the difference between the saved
and unsaved
is the unsaved have their own righteousness that they will be judged by
those covered by the sacrifice of Jesus will be judged by His in regards to salvation...
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TO ALL WHO BELIEVE
Acts 13:39
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses
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John 3:15-17
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
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BEING BORN FROM ABOVE PRODUCES SONS, NOT PRETENDERS WHO STOP BELIEVING
hebrews 10
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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john 6
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us
We are saved by Grace through faith, and NOT by our own walk
no born again believer (child of God)
is going to hell
and our savior is Jesus
not our self
And we know what happens with wood, hay and stubble.
It gets burned up yet we are saved through the fire.
Why is that (I know you know why just trying to make the point)?
Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
We have been SAVED through faith and it's a gift (a gift freely given and not earned, otherwise it's not a gift)
We are his workmanship, he is not our workmanship.
We can't work to persuade him to save us.
It's his workmanship in us through Jesus and in Jesus that we walk in the good works prepared for us even before we were born, both physically and spiritually.
But I would like to ask everyone on here.
WHAT ARE THESE GOOD WORKS?
It gets burned up yet we are saved through the fire.
Why is that (I know you know why just trying to make the point)?
Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
We have been SAVED through faith and it's a gift (a gift freely given and not earned, otherwise it's not a gift)
We are his workmanship, he is not our workmanship.
We can't work to persuade him to save us.
It's his workmanship in us through Jesus and in Jesus that we walk in the good works prepared for us even before we were born, both physically and spiritually.
But I would like to ask everyone on here.
WHAT ARE THESE GOOD WORKS?
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no context as in words taken out of Gods word
with a false understanding of what they mean
trying to use them to paint a false picture....
no better than stealing from someone who stole from you and saying "eye for an eye"
Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
21. will of the Father
john 6
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
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37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
22.
these false believers who were never saved... not saved and lost
use their "many wonderful works" to try to justify themself.... some fruit
23.
oh.... He never knew them
therefor they are not covered by the righteousness of Jesus
and have their own to fall back on
with a false understanding of what they mean
trying to use them to paint a false picture....
no better than stealing from someone who stole from you and saying "eye for an eye"
Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
21. will of the Father
john 6
28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
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37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
22.
these false believers who were never saved... not saved and lost
use their "many wonderful works" to try to justify themself.... some fruit
23.
oh.... He never knew them
therefor they are not covered by the righteousness of Jesus
and have their own to fall back on
A new tact to use with these cultists that insist we much perform the works that God has 'ordained' us to is to link their verse 10 to verse 8.
Why are they calling God a liar?
I mean, seriously! How can we in one second be given a free gift (verse 8) and then in the next second being asked to pay for it (verse 10)?
Why are they calling God a liar?
I mean, seriously! How can we in one second be given a free gift (verse 8) and then in the next second being asked to pay for it (verse 10)?
No Christian is the same as another Christian. We are each unique, and you can bet that God's purpose for me is different than His purpose for you. I can't say what role God has called you to fulfil, but He does. I hardly know what His will is for me, but I take a day at a time and put one foot in front of the other as I walk through life. Right now, because of health issues, I believe His will for me is to minister online.
I call the internet God's final Mission field ... and there is a great work yet to be done.
I call the internet God's final Mission field ... and there is a great work yet to be done.
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Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God
James 1:17 - Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
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Romans 11:29
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
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romans 3
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
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1 john 3
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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James 1:17 - Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
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Romans 11:29
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
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20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
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1 john 3
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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You make my point Decon. If this was the only scripture in the Bible, then we are all "SAVED" (past tense) from birth. We don't need to "do" anything. We are born saved.
But the Bible has more scriptures than this Decon. Am I a reprobate because I trust God enough to consider "ALL" His Word's? What about the scriptures you "omitted"?
Titus 3:3 For we ourselves also were (past tense)sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
So when these "WERE" living this way, were they already saved as well? Or was it necessary to consider other Word's of God to understand the meaning of these scriptures?
And the same "HE" that you quoted here, also said other Word's. What about this scripture?
"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD which proceeds from the Mouth of God". In your religion, are we allowed to listen to EVERY WORD OF GOD, or am I only allowed to use scriptures you accept?
What about: "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." But you preach we are already saved. Why does a "saved" person need to repent? Or does the repentance part come first? But the scripture you posted doesn't say anything about repentance. How would I know what repentance is if the only scripture I "believed" was this one sentence you quoted from Titus?
What about this scripture "And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."
So does this scripture go against the verse you posted? No! God's Saving Grace is there. I did noting to create it, I had nothing to do with the creation or existence of His Grace, His Mercy, His Salvation. No righteousness on my part had anything to do with His shedding His Blood for me. But the Word of God which became Flesh said we must first "Do" something before it applies to us. Namely "Repent". Those people in Titus Paul is speaking to have already Repented because Paul said they "WERE Disobedient" but now they are different. This is the Christ's teaching and Paul's teaching. Not because I said so, but because he said so.
Acts 26:
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent (first) and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. (Not man's religious works, but God's Works, Yes)
How am I taking this out of context?
But the Bible has more scriptures than this Decon. Am I a reprobate because I trust God enough to consider "ALL" His Word's? What about the scriptures you "omitted"?
Titus 3:3 For we ourselves also were (past tense)sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
So when these "WERE" living this way, were they already saved as well? Or was it necessary to consider other Word's of God to understand the meaning of these scriptures?
And the same "HE" that you quoted here, also said other Word's. What about this scripture?
"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD which proceeds from the Mouth of God". In your religion, are we allowed to listen to EVERY WORD OF GOD, or am I only allowed to use scriptures you accept?
What about: "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." But you preach we are already saved. Why does a "saved" person need to repent? Or does the repentance part come first? But the scripture you posted doesn't say anything about repentance. How would I know what repentance is if the only scripture I "believed" was this one sentence you quoted from Titus?
What about this scripture "And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."
So does this scripture go against the verse you posted? No! God's Saving Grace is there. I did noting to create it, I had nothing to do with the creation or existence of His Grace, His Mercy, His Salvation. No righteousness on my part had anything to do with His shedding His Blood for me. But the Word of God which became Flesh said we must first "Do" something before it applies to us. Namely "Repent". Those people in Titus Paul is speaking to have already Repented because Paul said they "WERE Disobedient" but now they are different. This is the Christ's teaching and Paul's teaching. Not because I said so, but because he said so.
Acts 26:
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent (first) and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. (Not man's religious works, but God's Works, Yes)
How am I taking this out of context?