Not By Works
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No, I understand what you people have been saying and I'm sure I've been representing it correctly. You want to keep the eternal security part of Calvinism but discard the part about the life that proves you have it. That is what you people have been saying. That's not Calvinism. That's the new doctrine of eternal security consuming the church to it's destruction. The final destruction of the church from which we will not recover. Either admit you have departed from classical Calvinist teaching and embraced this new abhorrent eternal security teaching or come back to your Calvinist roots.
What I don't get is why ardent Calvinists, even partial Calvinists aren't defending their doctrinal beliefs. Mailmandan may be the only one who has been. And he's not even a preacher.
What I don't get is why ardent Calvinists, even partial Calvinists aren't defending their doctrinal beliefs. Mailmandan may be the only one who has been. And he's not even a preacher.
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Just set me straight. Did Calvin teach that if you are not living the life then you are not even saved to begin with? Pretty simple question. But no one wants to touch it. Not even the avowed Calvinists here. Too convicting isn't it? Yet these same people want to believe and stress and beat you over the head with and make sure you know without a doubt the 'you can't lose your salvation' part of his teaching. Interesting how that works.
Conviction should lead you to Christ, people, not to attacking me.
Conviction should lead you to Christ, people, not to attacking me.
"Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his Lord has made ruler over His household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed that servant, whom his Lord when He cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That He shall make him ruler over all His goods. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My Lord delayed his coming; And shall begin to smite fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looked not for, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him off, and appoint his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
This was a servant of the Lord who will not be part of the first resurrection, to rule with Christ for a thousand years. "The rest of the dead are not raised until the thousand years are over. Paul referred to some who will be saved as through fire but will lose their reward.
About the portion with the hypocrites, Jesus said that the prostitutes and sinners enter the kingdom before the self righteous.
Some saved in the final judgment, otherwise who are the nations of the saved that the bride rules over.
Salvation is definitely greater than we think, unfortunately we stop short on our search, rather than learning from different views, get set in our ways: Doesn't take much to amuse small minds. That being the case how does God amuse himself?
Creates people with small minds. We were created for his pleasure, but we were not meant to have small minds its a consequence of the fall. The mind of the flesh was not meant to rule us, the fruit is living for ourselves and unable to comprehend spiritual things. "If any man thinks he knows, he does not know as he should." If we thing we know we stop learning.
This was a servant of the Lord who will not be part of the first resurrection, to rule with Christ for a thousand years. "The rest of the dead are not raised until the thousand years are over. Paul referred to some who will be saved as through fire but will lose their reward.
About the portion with the hypocrites, Jesus said that the prostitutes and sinners enter the kingdom before the self righteous.
Some saved in the final judgment, otherwise who are the nations of the saved that the bride rules over.
Salvation is definitely greater than we think, unfortunately we stop short on our search, rather than learning from different views, get set in our ways: Doesn't take much to amuse small minds. That being the case how does God amuse himself?
Creates people with small minds. We were created for his pleasure, but we were not meant to have small minds its a consequence of the fall. The mind of the flesh was not meant to rule us, the fruit is living for ourselves and unable to comprehend spiritual things. "If any man thinks he knows, he does not know as he should." If we thing we know we stop learning.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."
James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."
James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:14, “My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood.”[/FONT]