Whoa cowboy, VCO is a kind and loving Christian, are you here just to start arguing with everyone. Try introducing yourself first, instead of trying to play like your top dog, and your "join date" is November 6th 2017. "2days ago", did not your mom and dad teach you how to be polite in a social group.
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I would say that baptism is not a gift of God.
Baptism is something we do as an outworking of our faith, identifying with Jesus.
Romans 6:7
7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
6:7 Freed here translates the Greek word for “justification,” which is a legal term. The idea is that the believer no longer has any obligation to sin.
6:7 has died. The believer’s death with Christ to sin’s ruling power (see v. 3). set free from sin. Not sinless, but free from sin’s shackles and power.
neither of the above state or say being free from sin means we will sinless
It was Jesus who hung on the cross not me but Jesus hung on the cross for me.
Baptism is something we do as an outworking of our faith, identifying with Jesus.
Romans 6:7
7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
6:7 Freed here translates the Greek word for “justification,” which is a legal term. The idea is that the believer no longer has any obligation to sin.
6:7 has died. The believer’s death with Christ to sin’s ruling power (see v. 3). set free from sin. Not sinless, but free from sin’s shackles and power.
neither of the above state or say being free from sin means we will sinless
It was Jesus who hung on the cross not me but Jesus hung on the cross for me.
Why are you all still arguing. You are acting just like the Pharisees. We are not free of sin once we receive God'x grace. We are still trapped in our flesh bodies. And our flesh bodies are cursed by God Himself. You cannot get away from that. It is our spirit that has received the grace of God. So because our flesh is cursed by God it will continue to sin and we will need to ask for forgiveness on a regular basis.
Genesis 2:7New International Version (NIV)
7 Then the Lord God formed a man[a] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Genesis 3:17New International Version (NIV)
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it, “Cursed is the ground because of you through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.
This should be a place to help others learn scripture better not argue over petty things. When do you go evangelize, I see some of you spend so much time on here wasting your day away trying to prove yourself to be right ignoring the fact of just how bad you are because of these arguments. God is the only on that is right and truth the rest of you can make some very highly educated guesses but this argument is truly a matter of the heart of man and God is the only one that can Judge it. Spend your time and knowledge evangelizing the lost and truly educating making stronger disciples. We as Christians need to unite together and work together not being divided. This is why the church today is so weak because of people arguing over little things. Unite as a church we are all supposed to be brothers and sisters. Not tearing each other down. No wonder the youth of today don't want to attend church because of all the so called Christians arguing like children. Let's unite and give God the glory!
Genesis 2:7New International Version (NIV)
7 Then the Lord God formed a man[a] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Genesis 3:17New International Version (NIV)
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it, “Cursed is the ground because of you through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.
This should be a place to help others learn scripture better not argue over petty things. When do you go evangelize, I see some of you spend so much time on here wasting your day away trying to prove yourself to be right ignoring the fact of just how bad you are because of these arguments. God is the only on that is right and truth the rest of you can make some very highly educated guesses but this argument is truly a matter of the heart of man and God is the only one that can Judge it. Spend your time and knowledge evangelizing the lost and truly educating making stronger disciples. We as Christians need to unite together and work together not being divided. This is why the church today is so weak because of people arguing over little things. Unite as a church we are all supposed to be brothers and sisters. Not tearing each other down. No wonder the youth of today don't want to attend church because of all the so called Christians arguing like children. Let's unite and give God the glory!
No we receive the Holy Spirit when we repent of the sin of unbelief in Jesus, when he convicts us of this sin
John 16:8-9
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
Ephesians 1:13-14
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
1 Corinthians 12:13
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
John 16:8-9
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
Ephesians 1:13-14
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
1 Corinthians 12:13
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
I just found this article, to be VERY INFORMATIVE:
How Do Christians Sin in the Light?
You Will Never Be Sinless While You Live On Earth
There are actually those who teach that once you become a Christian you will stop sinning and you will soon enter a state of sinless perfection. This is an incredibly unscriptural lie which has hurt many. You can see that it is not true because the Bible makes it quite plain that anyone who denies they're a sinner is a liar: "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us... If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us." (1 John 1:8, 10 NASB).
As a Christian it's important you understand that becoming a believer will never lead you towards becoming perfect. Unfortunately, when you look at other believers it might appear on the surface as though they are nearly perfect, having become more spiritual than where you might be at. Now certainly a believer can live a life which is more Spirit-filled, but the truth is, many of those you might look up to are also struggling with sin just as much as anyone else.
So embrace the reality that it is impossible to become "sinless." It is, however, possible that you can and should "sin less" than you did before you trusted Christ. That is definitely what all Christians should strive to achieve in their walk with the Lord. But you will never be perfect while on this earth, so stop beating yourself up about your constant failings.
The Difference Between Light and Darkness
First John chapter one has encouraged me to understand what's going on in my heart over the years. "This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin." (1 John 1:5-7 NASB).
What an incredible biblical passage. You need to understand this so that you won't be confused about how things work in the spiritual world when it comes to your personal sin.
First, notice that God is Light and in him there is no darkness at all. He represents goodness and holiness (being set apart from evil) and that's what he wants to give us once he has invaded our lives when we're born again. And of course, we want to walk with him in light.
Now notice that evil and good are presented as two opposing concepts and spiritual experiences in this passage. God Word talks about the deeds of darkness and the deeds of light using the opposing symbols of dark and light to represent evil and righteousness. Those who live in darkness don't have the light of God's life shining in their hearts and they cannot come to the Lord while they are in darkness because they simply are unable to see the truth and are blinded by the darkness.
In the same sense, those who are in the light are able to see spiritual good AND evil much more clearly because the light of God's Word shines upon the deeds of darkness, and of course the Holy Spirit's presence in our lives also convicts us of sin, righteousness and judgment (see John 16:8). Someone who is walking in the light can see the deeds of darkness much easier than those who are walking in the darkness because they have a much dimmer understanding of morality. Maybe you've noticed that there isn't much depth perception when you're in physical darkness. That same is true spiritually for those who are living in a world given to darkness and depravity. They have a difficult time seeing evil for what it really is.
Now let's say that someone calls himself a believer, and claims to have fellowship with the Lord, and maybe attends church regularly, but he secretly walks in some very dark sins. This passage proclaims that such a person is a liar. He isn't practicing the truth and therefore he isn't really a believer. If someone is involved in deeds of darkness and they don't see them as being "that bad" then verse six applies to their life.
True Christians don't habitually walk in the darkness. Darkness is a spiritual condition where one is given over to sin and depravity on a regular basis. Note that the passage says those in darkness lie. If someone's deeds are evil they will want to keep their behavior hidden. Not only will they lie to others about their sin, they will likely also lie to themselves, pretending that their behavior really isn't so bad. All of this means they are full of lies and are not true believers. (See also John 3:19).
So if you think you are a believer but you habitually engage in sorted sinful deeds, the passage claims you're living a lie; you're not in the truth. But what if you are a true Christian and you still sin? Verse seven answers that question: "But if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin." (1 John 1:7 NAS).
True Christians walk in light with Christ. We have fellowship with him and with one another, and then notice the all important final phrase: "and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin." When you walk in the light with Christ, you still sin, but the blood of Jesus cleanses you from all sin.
Now these two verses present an interesting paradox. Those walking in the darkness and those walking in the light—both sin. But only the believer who is in the light is cleansed by the blood of Jesus. So what makes the difference?
The man who habitually walks in darkness has really not changed. He doesn't see sin as being so evil and he hasn't really changes his mind about it. Therefore, he is still under the curse of his sin and he will not experience God's forgiveness or cleansing.
But the man who habitually walks in the light does know good from evil. He agrees with the Lord about the depraved nature of his sin. Yes, he does occasionally fall to temptation, but he sees sin for what it is and he hates it. He endeavors to fellowship with the Lord and other Christians and he continues to fight any impure desires. This man receives God's cleansing on a daily, ongoing basis.
Whenever a Christian backslides and slips back into sin, he will often be miserable. I have found over the years that I'm not a very good sinner. Whenever I have attempted to follow some course of action that I know is wrong, I always have a powerful nagging sense that I'm not where I should be. I feel guilty and uneasy as if the sky is going to fall down on top of me. I don't make a very good sinner, because I sin "in the light."
If you are in the light, you see your sin much more clearly than anyone who is walking in darkness. On the surface you might even appear to be "one of them" but deep down in your heart of hearts you know that you belong to the Lord and so it is only a matter of time before you return to the fold. A friend of mine used to say, "the sheep will eventually return to the fold, and the pigs will eventually return to the sty." So true.
Non believers don't have much of a dislike for sin. Because Christ fully enthroned within their hearts, when they stop going to church and begin to do what Christians call "backsliding" by falling back into their former sinful activities, they actually feel pretty good about it. Why? Because in many ways, they have "come home". They don't really belong in the Church and they don't really enjoy being around believers because they would rather laugh with the sinners then cry with the saints, because as Billy Joel put it, they think that "Only the Good Die Young."
You can likely tell if you're really a true believer just by this. If you have a strong sense of guilt in the midst of your sin, and are miserable when you wallow in it, dreading how God feels about your behavior, you're more likely to be one of God's true sheep. But if you end up just loving that sin which you've jumped back into, you're probably just a goat not a sheep.
Are ALL Your Sins Forgiven?
Probably the most important verse in First John chapter one is verse nine. This is one that you should memorize if you haven't already. It says: "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9 NASB).
You need to understand this verse so you're not confused about what Christ did for you on the cross. Let me explain that when you repented of your sins and turned to Christ for salvation, he forgave ALL of your sins. The Bible tells us that he forgives our sin as far as the east is from the west (Psalm 103:12). God remembers our lawless acts and deeds no more (Hebrews 8:12; 10:17). That's the way God forgives sin.
All means ALL. So that must also mean that he forgives the sins we have committed both in the past, up to the present and on strong>into the future.. If God's forgiveness doesn't include the sins we haven't yet committed—and we needed to confess them all one by one—then we would surely all go to hell. Because we don't even know all of the bad things we have done, said or even thought.
The Roman Catholic doctrine of the need for a confessional booth becomes an incredible tyranny. There is absolutely no way you could even remember all your sins, let alone begin list them all out to a priest. And if we are only absolved for what we have confessed (sin by sin) then we are simply all lost. Praise God that this is NOT what God's Word teaches.
First John 1:9 has been called the Christian's "bar of soap" because it instructs us to cleanse our hearts on a regular basis through our ongoing confession. That confession is between us an our High Priest Jesus Christ. We don't have to go through any human intermediary.
Now the word used for "confession" in this verse has in the Greek a continual action, process or habit of life. In other words, we are to keep on confessing each time we discover that we have sinned again. Now when we confess to the Lord, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins. The word for "forgiveness" in this verse indicates we have done nothing to deserve the forgiveness. And the action of this forgiveness in the Greek is very interesting. It is an action that is conceived of as a single action or act. In other words, we keep confessing but he forgives us just once. And that forgiveness happens when we trust Christ at the beginning of our Christian lives.
Also we should notice that the cleansing we receive from all our unrighteousness is again a single action. So when the Lord cleanses us it is not dependent so much upon our confession as it is upon our response to Christ when we trusted him for our salvation.
So use these verses to stay in the light and keep confessing your sins so that you can maintain a sense of cleansing and keep your life moving ahead towards fulfilling the Lord's Great Commission of winning your family and friends to Jesus.
How Do Christians Sin in the Light?
How Do Christians Sin in the Light?
Everyone Sins, But True Christians "Sin In The Light"—Learn Why This Is So Important
You Will Never Be Sinless While You Live On Earth
There are actually those who teach that once you become a Christian you will stop sinning and you will soon enter a state of sinless perfection. This is an incredibly unscriptural lie which has hurt many. You can see that it is not true because the Bible makes it quite plain that anyone who denies they're a sinner is a liar: "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us... If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us." (1 John 1:8, 10 NASB).
As a Christian it's important you understand that becoming a believer will never lead you towards becoming perfect. Unfortunately, when you look at other believers it might appear on the surface as though they are nearly perfect, having become more spiritual than where you might be at. Now certainly a believer can live a life which is more Spirit-filled, but the truth is, many of those you might look up to are also struggling with sin just as much as anyone else.
So embrace the reality that it is impossible to become "sinless." It is, however, possible that you can and should "sin less" than you did before you trusted Christ. That is definitely what all Christians should strive to achieve in their walk with the Lord. But you will never be perfect while on this earth, so stop beating yourself up about your constant failings.
The Difference Between Light and Darkness
First John chapter one has encouraged me to understand what's going on in my heart over the years. "This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin." (1 John 1:5-7 NASB).
What an incredible biblical passage. You need to understand this so that you won't be confused about how things work in the spiritual world when it comes to your personal sin.
First, notice that God is Light and in him there is no darkness at all. He represents goodness and holiness (being set apart from evil) and that's what he wants to give us once he has invaded our lives when we're born again. And of course, we want to walk with him in light.
Now notice that evil and good are presented as two opposing concepts and spiritual experiences in this passage. God Word talks about the deeds of darkness and the deeds of light using the opposing symbols of dark and light to represent evil and righteousness. Those who live in darkness don't have the light of God's life shining in their hearts and they cannot come to the Lord while they are in darkness because they simply are unable to see the truth and are blinded by the darkness.
In the same sense, those who are in the light are able to see spiritual good AND evil much more clearly because the light of God's Word shines upon the deeds of darkness, and of course the Holy Spirit's presence in our lives also convicts us of sin, righteousness and judgment (see John 16:8). Someone who is walking in the light can see the deeds of darkness much easier than those who are walking in the darkness because they have a much dimmer understanding of morality. Maybe you've noticed that there isn't much depth perception when you're in physical darkness. That same is true spiritually for those who are living in a world given to darkness and depravity. They have a difficult time seeing evil for what it really is.
Now let's say that someone calls himself a believer, and claims to have fellowship with the Lord, and maybe attends church regularly, but he secretly walks in some very dark sins. This passage proclaims that such a person is a liar. He isn't practicing the truth and therefore he isn't really a believer. If someone is involved in deeds of darkness and they don't see them as being "that bad" then verse six applies to their life.
True Christians don't habitually walk in the darkness. Darkness is a spiritual condition where one is given over to sin and depravity on a regular basis. Note that the passage says those in darkness lie. If someone's deeds are evil they will want to keep their behavior hidden. Not only will they lie to others about their sin, they will likely also lie to themselves, pretending that their behavior really isn't so bad. All of this means they are full of lies and are not true believers. (See also John 3:19).
So if you think you are a believer but you habitually engage in sorted sinful deeds, the passage claims you're living a lie; you're not in the truth. But what if you are a true Christian and you still sin? Verse seven answers that question: "But if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin." (1 John 1:7 NAS).
True Christians walk in light with Christ. We have fellowship with him and with one another, and then notice the all important final phrase: "and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin." When you walk in the light with Christ, you still sin, but the blood of Jesus cleanses you from all sin.
Now these two verses present an interesting paradox. Those walking in the darkness and those walking in the light—both sin. But only the believer who is in the light is cleansed by the blood of Jesus. So what makes the difference?
The man who habitually walks in darkness has really not changed. He doesn't see sin as being so evil and he hasn't really changes his mind about it. Therefore, he is still under the curse of his sin and he will not experience God's forgiveness or cleansing.
But the man who habitually walks in the light does know good from evil. He agrees with the Lord about the depraved nature of his sin. Yes, he does occasionally fall to temptation, but he sees sin for what it is and he hates it. He endeavors to fellowship with the Lord and other Christians and he continues to fight any impure desires. This man receives God's cleansing on a daily, ongoing basis.
Whenever a Christian backslides and slips back into sin, he will often be miserable. I have found over the years that I'm not a very good sinner. Whenever I have attempted to follow some course of action that I know is wrong, I always have a powerful nagging sense that I'm not where I should be. I feel guilty and uneasy as if the sky is going to fall down on top of me. I don't make a very good sinner, because I sin "in the light."
If you are in the light, you see your sin much more clearly than anyone who is walking in darkness. On the surface you might even appear to be "one of them" but deep down in your heart of hearts you know that you belong to the Lord and so it is only a matter of time before you return to the fold. A friend of mine used to say, "the sheep will eventually return to the fold, and the pigs will eventually return to the sty." So true.
Non believers don't have much of a dislike for sin. Because Christ fully enthroned within their hearts, when they stop going to church and begin to do what Christians call "backsliding" by falling back into their former sinful activities, they actually feel pretty good about it. Why? Because in many ways, they have "come home". They don't really belong in the Church and they don't really enjoy being around believers because they would rather laugh with the sinners then cry with the saints, because as Billy Joel put it, they think that "Only the Good Die Young."
You can likely tell if you're really a true believer just by this. If you have a strong sense of guilt in the midst of your sin, and are miserable when you wallow in it, dreading how God feels about your behavior, you're more likely to be one of God's true sheep. But if you end up just loving that sin which you've jumped back into, you're probably just a goat not a sheep.
Are ALL Your Sins Forgiven?
Probably the most important verse in First John chapter one is verse nine. This is one that you should memorize if you haven't already. It says: "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9 NASB).
You need to understand this verse so you're not confused about what Christ did for you on the cross. Let me explain that when you repented of your sins and turned to Christ for salvation, he forgave ALL of your sins. The Bible tells us that he forgives our sin as far as the east is from the west (Psalm 103:12). God remembers our lawless acts and deeds no more (Hebrews 8:12; 10:17). That's the way God forgives sin.
All means ALL. So that must also mean that he forgives the sins we have committed both in the past, up to the present and on strong>into the future.. If God's forgiveness doesn't include the sins we haven't yet committed—and we needed to confess them all one by one—then we would surely all go to hell. Because we don't even know all of the bad things we have done, said or even thought.
The Roman Catholic doctrine of the need for a confessional booth becomes an incredible tyranny. There is absolutely no way you could even remember all your sins, let alone begin list them all out to a priest. And if we are only absolved for what we have confessed (sin by sin) then we are simply all lost. Praise God that this is NOT what God's Word teaches.
First John 1:9 has been called the Christian's "bar of soap" because it instructs us to cleanse our hearts on a regular basis through our ongoing confession. That confession is between us an our High Priest Jesus Christ. We don't have to go through any human intermediary.
Now the word used for "confession" in this verse has in the Greek a continual action, process or habit of life. In other words, we are to keep on confessing each time we discover that we have sinned again. Now when we confess to the Lord, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins. The word for "forgiveness" in this verse indicates we have done nothing to deserve the forgiveness. And the action of this forgiveness in the Greek is very interesting. It is an action that is conceived of as a single action or act. In other words, we keep confessing but he forgives us just once. And that forgiveness happens when we trust Christ at the beginning of our Christian lives.
Also we should notice that the cleansing we receive from all our unrighteousness is again a single action. So when the Lord cleanses us it is not dependent so much upon our confession as it is upon our response to Christ when we trusted him for our salvation.
So use these verses to stay in the light and keep confessing your sins so that you can maintain a sense of cleansing and keep your life moving ahead towards fulfilling the Lord's Great Commission of winning your family and friends to Jesus.
How Do Christians Sin in the Light?
IMO, to claim or just say is one thing and to do/obey or to walk is another thing.
A person lies when he/she don’t do what he/she says.
He is a hypocrite and a liar or even a deceived deceiver.
James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.
James 1:22-27 Do not merely listen to the word, and so DECEIVE yourselves. DO WHAT IT SAYS. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and CONTINUES TO DO THIS, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does. If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
James 3:2-18 We all stumble in many ways. If anyone is never at fault in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to keep his whole body in check. When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. Likewise the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell. All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and creatures of the sea are being tamed and have been tamed by man, but no man can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. Two Kinds of Wisdom Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.
WARNING:
Matthew 23:1-3 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for THEY DO NOT PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH.
1 John 1:5-10 WALKING in the Light This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.
I agree with your premise but wish to address the bolded......
Concerning JAMES and willful sin....one must know it is sin for it to be willful......Question....Do you believe or acknowledge that there are people in the world who have no clue of the standards set in God's word and even many believers may be lacking in knowledge concerning particular sins and need to be taught that something is wrong or maybe even acceptable.....and if one does not know the word and sins is it not a sin of omission?
Concerning the latter two bolded....he holds to the 1st one and literally believes that he does not ever sin......
Concerning JAMES and willful sin....one must know it is sin for it to be willful......Question....Do you believe or acknowledge that there are people in the world who have no clue of the standards set in God's word and even many believers may be lacking in knowledge concerning particular sins and need to be taught that something is wrong or maybe even acceptable.....and if one does not know the word and sins is it not a sin of omission?
Concerning the latter two bolded....he holds to the 1st one and literally believes that he does not ever sin......
That word in Romans 6:7 is literally 'acquitted'
By reason of being dead, see Romans 7:1-6 for Paul's own explanation of the significance of what he has said in ch. 6 -- in agreement with what you say, Bill.
It doesn't mean there is no sin. It means that sin cannot result in condemnation - see the rest of ch. 7 and the beginning of ch. 8!
By reason of being dead, see Romans 7:1-6 for Paul's own explanation of the significance of what he has said in ch. 6 -- in agreement with what you say, Bill.
It doesn't mean there is no sin. It means that sin cannot result in condemnation - see the rest of ch. 7 and the beginning of ch. 8!
Amen and I agree....Spirit sanctified positionally, eternally in Christ and justified, saved and sealed.....and I agree we can overcome many particular sins, and as we grow will sin less....but never be SINLESS 100% until we are resurrected or changed....and no problem on what your posting......truth is truth and the extra sword of truth is always welcome to combat that which is not true...post away bro and no need to apologize migo....
If one never sins after salvation then the following are moot and have no meaning...
a. The grace of God out bounding sin
b. Jesus continually mediating for the saved
c. Jesus' blood continually cleansing from sin
d. God chastening children who he receives
e. The works of believers burnt up and suffering loss yet still saved
f. The story of the prodigal wasting his inheritance and ending up with the hogs and then returning yet a SON through the whole process
g. John's use of we x 3 and us once in the present tense concerning saying one is without sin
h. The examples of faithful men who make the book of Hebrews chapter 11 faith who confessed sins
I. The command for believers to confess their sins one to another
J. The case of believers "falling asleep" for corrupting the Lord's supper
k. The case of a believer being cut lose for the destruction of the flesh yet the spirit is saved
l. Paul's run down hill from least of Apostles, least of the Saints to number 1 chief sinner among men in light of Christ's righteousness
m. Peter's hypocrisy rebuked by PAUL
n. Peter's lack of faith and denial of JESUS
o. Thomas' doubt
p. The 15 sins or things wrong with the Corinthian church rebuked and corrected by PAUL
q. The command to the church at Ephesus to not LIE one to another
r. The rebukes to the churches in Revelation and threat to STIR their candlesticks away
s. The sin of embellishing faith with works to finish salvation which equaled a false gospel charged to the Galatian brothers
and on and on and on......
To say these people were not yet saved is false and a sin to boot....there are so many examples that prove that believers still fail and sin...ALL who say they do not are deceived in the least and or flat lying in the worst...................
a. The grace of God out bounding sin
b. Jesus continually mediating for the saved
c. Jesus' blood continually cleansing from sin
d. God chastening children who he receives
e. The works of believers burnt up and suffering loss yet still saved
f. The story of the prodigal wasting his inheritance and ending up with the hogs and then returning yet a SON through the whole process
g. John's use of we x 3 and us once in the present tense concerning saying one is without sin
h. The examples of faithful men who make the book of Hebrews chapter 11 faith who confessed sins
I. The command for believers to confess their sins one to another
J. The case of believers "falling asleep" for corrupting the Lord's supper
k. The case of a believer being cut lose for the destruction of the flesh yet the spirit is saved
l. Paul's run down hill from least of Apostles, least of the Saints to number 1 chief sinner among men in light of Christ's righteousness
m. Peter's hypocrisy rebuked by PAUL
n. Peter's lack of faith and denial of JESUS
o. Thomas' doubt
p. The 15 sins or things wrong with the Corinthian church rebuked and corrected by PAUL
q. The command to the church at Ephesus to not LIE one to another
r. The rebukes to the churches in Revelation and threat to STIR their candlesticks away
s. The sin of embellishing faith with works to finish salvation which equaled a false gospel charged to the Galatian brothers
and on and on and on......
To say these people were not yet saved is false and a sin to boot....there are so many examples that prove that believers still fail and sin...ALL who say they do not are deceived in the least and or flat lying in the worst...................
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There are exceptions, but most of us here do not argue, we debate, presenting what we genuinely believe, supporting those beliefs with Scripture.. I at one time joined a strictly enforced Bible Discussion Group for Conservative Evangelicals ONLY. In about 3 months, I was so BORED that I had to drop out. ALMOST every single NEW post or Thread was TOTALLY in agreement with what I believed. I could only reply, "Yep, that's what I believe too." Give me a heated debate any day, over nothing to debate.
Jude 1:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Dear friends, although I was eager to write you about the salvation we share, I found it necessary to write and exhort you to contend for the faith that was delivered to the saints once for all.
There are exceptions, but most of us here do not argue, we debate, presenting what we genuinely believe, supporting those beliefs with Scripture.. I at one time joined a strictly enforced Bible Discussion Group for Conservative Evangelicals ONLY. In about 3 months, I was so BORED that I had to drop out. ALMOST every single NEW post or Thread was TOTALLY in agreement with what I believed. I could only reply, "Yep, that's what I believe too." Give me a heated debate any day, over nothing to debate.
Jude 1:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Dear friends, although I was eager to write you about the salvation we share, I found it necessary to write and exhort you to contend for the faith that was delivered to the saints once for all.
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But this body will not be perfect until we receive the Glorified Body, at the Resurrection.
Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 15:52-54 (HCSB)
[SUP]52 [/SUP] in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this corruptible must be clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal must be clothed with immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When this corruptible is clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal is clothed with immortality, then the saying that is written will take place: Death has been swallowed up in victory.
But this body will not be perfect until we receive the Glorified Body, at the Resurrection.
Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 15:52-54 (HCSB)
[SUP]52 [/SUP] in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
[SUP]53 [/SUP] For this corruptible must be clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal must be clothed with immortality.
[SUP]54 [/SUP] When this corruptible is clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal is clothed with immortality, then the saying that is written will take place: Death has been swallowed up in victory.
More to the point and since you refuse to be honest about it, I will simply say you have NEVER raised anyone from death nor have you ever cured a leper and not once have you restored sight to a person blind from birth. Why don't you just be honest about it? You are not capable of doing the things Jesus Christ did by faith. So much for your weapons wielding and walking as He did