Must we repent in order to be forgiven?

[Phoneman-777]

James is written to the 12 tribes . Which tribe are you from then ?

"IF ye be Christ's, THEN are ye Abraham's seed..." Ever heard of the Biblical concept of adoption?

The NT says we're all one in Christ, but Dispensationalism keeps trying to rip us apart - I'll stick with Scripture.

 

[Phoneman-777]

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TF,
what are you saying?
it sounds like you are saying that you have 'nixed' the Book of James out of the Bible
and have no reason to apply it's Truths and Principles to yourself?
curious...

He's a Dispensationalist - a convienient methodology whereby you can chop up the Scripture and make it say whatever you want. John Nelson Darby, the "father of Dispensationalism" was first seduced by Jesuit Futurism and then further added the "secret rapture" to the confusion. Today, much of the Christian world is Dispensationalist to one degree or another because non-Catholics have forgotten their roots.

 

[Magenta]

You're speaking of "Christian Origination" - what about "Christian Obligation"? We are obliged as Christians to continually remain surrendered to God aka "abide in Me". If we rebel and stubbornly refuse to surrender no matter how much the Holy Spirit pleads, we'll eventually lose the ability to surrender and be lost eternally.

John 10:27-28

 

[Phoneman-777]

I take the book of Leviticus and read it for all of its wonderful truths but i take it in context. All the books should be read this way . Most just read the bible as if every verse is speaking to them directly and completely miss what the understanding is .

"ALL SCRIPTURE is...profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, for instruction in righteousness."

Dispensationalism says, "NO! Only certain Scripture is profitable for all these - to be determined by our John Nelso Darby Society ovelords.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Yes and like a good Father ,once you become a child of God is not going to then cast you into hell when you mess up . Its not 'probation ' .

Does a "good father" lock up his children in a basement, and does any rational person demand the charges for such a crime be dropped?

But, God forces His children to remain with Him, though their love for Him turns to hate and they wish to leave...I think you should read the story of the Prodigal Son.

 

[Phoneman-777]

No one was regenerated until after the resurrection.

More Dispensationlist nonsense. Ever heard of one of the most famous examples of heart regeneration in the OT - "crook" Jacob's transformation into "overcomer" Israel?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Do you realise that you have imputed some more of your own theories, without any scriptures to back them up?

I study from the KJV and the words "convict", "conviction" are not found in the scriptures. "convicted" is only found one time in John 8:9

John 8:9, (Jesus asking them who is without sin among you) And they which heard it, being convicted (rebuke, reprove) by their own conscience.

The natural man that still has the heart of stone (unregenerate) will not repent of breaking a spiritual law that he cannot discern, and thinks it to be foolishness.

The only heart that can be pricked to feel quilt of spiritual nature is the new heart of flesh that has a spiritual conscience.

We, as regenerated children of God, including yourself, do at times, commit sins and our hearts are pricked by God to feel guilty, which causes us to repent.

When the regenerate person commits a sin, it, temporary, separates them from their fellowship with God, because God will not fellowship sin. When this happens we do not lose our eternal inheritance, only our fellowship with God, temporary, until we repent.

I thought I was sharing Scripture, not theories. Jesus Himself said there's only two kinds of people, with Him and against Him - you're attempting to introduce a third class, the "halfway between". Some might call THAT "theoretical".

 

[Phoneman-777]

I am assuming, sense you do not quote scriptures, that "by living faith", you mean "faith without works is dead"

Eph 2:10, says "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus, unto good works". Being created in Christ Jesus is evidence that we are already born again, Eph 2:5.

I assume people do not need citations for well known verses like when James exposes the total impotency of "without works" dead faith with the Biblical truth of "by works" living faith. He does this because he knew there'd come a time when people would seek to obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

Seems to me if a person is not at least familiar with well known verses, they should probably address that deficiency first.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Yes! Jesus is establishing that your good works does not contribute to your salvation, because your works are your duty in that you are already saved.

Amen! The problem is that Christians want to make that a one sided coin. They don't want to accept the many Biblical warnings that if at any time on the path of righteousness we decide to turn around and go the other way, we forfeit our salvation.

They think Jesus' command to "abide in the vine" means they can choose between the "True Vine" or Satan's holly-wood tree - as if either one is sufficient to keep them out of the burn pile.

 

[Phoneman-777]

John 10:27-28

His hand is well beyond Satan's reach, but is open for any saint who decides to jump back into the world.

BTW, beautiful artwork

 

[Magenta]

John 6:37

 

[Magenta]

His hand is well beyond Satan's reach, but is open for any saint who decides to jump back into the world.

BTW, beautiful artwork

Thank you!

 

[david-a-servant]

You're speaking of "Christian Origination" - what about "Christian Obligation"? We are obliged as Christians to continually remain surrendered to God aka "abide in Me". If we rebel and stubbornly refuse to surrender no matter how much the Holy Spirit pleads, we'll eventually lose the ability to surrender and be lost eternally.

The scriptures teach us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling

 

[throughfaith]

"IF ye be Christ's, THEN are ye Abraham's seed..." Ever heard of the Biblical concept of adoption?

The NT says we're all one in Christ, but Dispensationalism keeps trying to rip us apart - I'll stick with Scripture.

Yes its the redemption of the body Rom 8.23 . its not this American/ western / calvinist idea of adoption ..Where God welcomes us as orphan s into his family ,as endearing as that sounds .

 

[throughfaith]

All the Bible is

"ALL SCRIPTURE is...profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, for instruction in righteousness."

Dispensationalism says, "NO! Only certain Scripture is profitable for all these - to be determined by our John Nelso Darby Society ovelords.

All the Bible is FOR us ,but not all the bible is TO us .An example:
" Go build an Ark of gopher wood " is scripture thats profitable. Its FOR us , but its not TO us . Unless your building an Ark in your back yard ?
This point is usually lost on those who do not rightly divide .

 

[throughfaith]

More Dispensationlist nonsense. Ever heard of one of the most famous examples of heart regeneration in the OT - "crook" Jacob's transformation into "overcomer" Israel?

No regeneration there ? Which verse please ?

 

[PC123]

What is the bottom line from all these?

Repent

 

[throughfaith]

I assume people do not need citations for well known verses like when James exposes the total impotency of "without works" dead faith with the Biblical truth of "by works" living faith. He does this because he knew there'd come a time when people would seek to obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

Seems to me if a person is not at least familiar with well known verses, they should probably address that deficiency first.

During the tribulation faith without works is dead.

 

[Phoneman-777]

The scriptures teach us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling

Amen. Jesus said our "work" is to believe, which is limited to thought, not action - action is just outward manifestation of inward thought.

So, if OSAS people can see "belief" is what saves us, why cant' they see "cessation of belief" is the forfeiture of the same? Only because they are blinded by love for sin -- some cherished sin enters ther heart and dethrones God, which demands that a means by which one can hold onto both sin and Jesus be constructed.

Hence, OSAS, which claims they may obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

 

[throughfaith]

Amen. Jesus said our "work" is to believe, which is limited to thought, not action - action is just outward manifestation of inward thought.

So, if OSAS people can see "belief" is what saves us, why cant' they see "cessation of belief" is the forfeiture of the same? Only because they are blinded by love for sin -- some cherished sin enters ther heart and dethrones God, which demands that a means by which one can hold onto both sin and Jesus be constructed.

Hence, OSAS, which claims they may obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

Something happens after a person believes. Its not concentrating really hard for a duration.