Modern State of Israel: Is it biblical?
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I have bee a member since Mar 13, 2014 and don't recall ever reading a single post of yours. Of course, the current state of Israel is biblical, as it always has been. In Revelation it says that there still the battle of Armageddon to be fought with an army of 200 million marching towards Israel. There will be blood up to the horses bridle from the dead that are slain. As for backing it with scripture you can do this on your own by studying the prophecies of the OT as related to the end-time events as stated in the book of Revelation. Hopefully, you will stick around awhile and actually write a few posts rather than remaining a ghost in the background. Welcome to CC.
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A partial list of Gods land covenant w/Israel
Jerusalem is a unique city, & is the "Capital of Israel" (Ps 87:1-2, Ps 132:13-14
God established that the land of Israel belongs to Him (Lev 25:23, Deut 11:12
God has placed His name in Jerusalem (II Chronicles 6:6, I Kings 9:3
God established His covenant with Abraham & promises to bless those who bless Israel: (Gen 12:2-3, 13:14, 15:17-18
God gives the exact boundaries of the promised land in Num 34:1-15 (also: Deut 1:8, Ex 2:24, Ex 6:4, 8 & Ps 105:8-11
(PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO: Num 34:1-15)
(George Bush tried to give away Israel's land. Barack Obama wanted to give away Israel's land. It's not their's to give or negotiate away. God gave it to Israel in aa "Everlasting Covenant"
God states that the covenant of the Land is based on "His" eternal character, "Not" on Israel's own righteousness. He makes clear that even when they forsake His will, He will "NEVER" forget His covenant (Lev:26:42-45, Jer 31:35-37, Ps 89:30-37
God will restore Israel (After 2000 yrs DONE 1948) for the sake of His holy name: (Eze. 37:17-23, 39:25-29, Jer 33:23-26)
God says He will gather the exiles & bring them home to Israel (Began in 1948 & continues today) (Isa 11:1-12 & many other scriptures)
The national, physical restoration of Israel In the last days (THATS US NOW) is a necessary and prophesied step towards restoration and ultimate redemption for the entire world:
(Ezek 36:24-29, 37:11-14, Jer 3:1:8-10, 31:3134, Amos 9:14-15)
All The Above Are True because GOD Is NOT a man that He should lie. Num 23:19
In Nov, 9 2012 The UN recognize Palestine (a bunch of Jordanian squatter's in 1948) as a state. & proclaimed East Jerusalem to belong to them. Like Bush & Obama the UN can't give away God's gift to Israel either
Behold, I (God) will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling & a burdensome stone for all people. (Zec 12:2
Zec 12:3 says that those nations that “burden themselves” with this City (those that “lift it up”; those that take sides with its people) “shall be cut in pieces” (or, by doing so “they shall grievously hurt themselves”
Anyone that takes part in giving away Israelie land is begging for a world of Hurt!
NOTE: to the Donald: DON'T EVER TRY TO DO IT!
In Genesis, Abraham buys a piece of the promise land for 400 pieces of silver.
It is also recorded that Jacob bought another piece of the promise land.
So 1st the true owner GOD gives it to the Israelites. Then also recorded Abraham & Jacob buy parts.
MOST IMPORTANT FACT HERE:
King David "bought" the threshing floor (37 acre Temple Mt area) from Araunah the Jebusite. And built an altar to the Lord so that a “plague may be held back from the people” (2 Sam 24:18, 21 & 1 Chron 21
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I still stand by this that they are Jews, so they say anyway. Jews are Judah, Simeon and some Benjamin and Levi. When God sets it up, those people claiming to be Israel may or may not have a part in it. Speculation has it that many are not bloodline Jews anyway. Time will tell.
You need to look up the history of the 10 Northern tribes. They were carried away and lost their identity while in servitude to the Assyrians. Then look up the prophecy of all 12 tribes in Gen. 49 with clues to their identity today. You can't add the lost tribes back in. Only God can do that.
You need to look up the history of the 10 Northern tribes. They were carried away and lost their identity while in servitude to the Assyrians. Then look up the prophecy of all 12 tribes in Gen. 49 with clues to their identity today. You can't add the lost tribes back in. Only God can do that.
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I still stand by this that they are Jews, so they say anyway. Jews are Judah, Simeon and some Benjamin and Levi. When God sets it up, those people claiming to be Israel may or may not have a part in it. Speculation has it that many are not bloodline Jews anyway. Time will tell.
You need to look up the history of the 10 Northern tribes. They were carried away and lost their identity while in servitude to the Assyrians. Then look up the prophecy of all 12 tribes in Gen. 49 with clues to their identity today. You can't add the lost tribes back in. Only God can do that.
You need to look up the history of the 10 Northern tribes. They were carried away and lost their identity while in servitude to the Assyrians. Then look up the prophecy of all 12 tribes in Gen. 49 with clues to their identity today. You can't add the lost tribes back in. Only God can do that.
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WW1 and WW2 was far greater tribulation for the world than AD 70 even promised to be. So it could not fulfill matt 24,
And When did jesus return. Because if he did not return, all flesh on earth would die? Did I miss it?[/QUOTE]
If you are a premillie then we have nothing to share.
To be plain I am calvinist, supralapsarian, amillenist, and all else that is biblical.
I believe the man who is not willing to submit to the electing love and sovereign grace of God, has great reason to question whether he is a Christian at all, for the spirit that kicks against that is the spirit of the devil, and the spirit of the unhumbled, unrenewed heart.
Charles Spurgeon
And When did jesus return. Because if he did not return, all flesh on earth would die? Did I miss it?[/QUOTE]
If you are a premillie then we have nothing to share.
To be plain I am calvinist, supralapsarian, amillenist, and all else that is biblical.
I believe the man who is not willing to submit to the electing love and sovereign grace of God, has great reason to question whether he is a Christian at all, for the spirit that kicks against that is the spirit of the devil, and the spirit of the unhumbled, unrenewed heart.
Charles Spurgeon
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So your not even willing to discuss?
I made a few statments , can you not prove me wrong? Your just going to sit there and basically push me away as no one?
If you think people can just post their beliefs and no one is allowed or able to discuss those beliefs, and you are free from having to discuss this with them, well is that not an issue? Is this a bible discussion forum, or lets push our beliefs on everyone forum
I know what you are. Your not the first person who has come in, your not gonna be the last.. But we enjoy our conversations with you. Knowing maybe you can teach us somethign we have not known of vice versa)
So if I am a pre mill. Who believes god keeps his promises. And not a calvanist. I am not willing to submit to Gods will, and people shoudl question if I am even a christian?
Thanks, I believe (unless I misunderstood you) you just showed your hand.
I made a few statments , can you not prove me wrong? Your just going to sit there and basically push me away as no one?
If you think people can just post their beliefs and no one is allowed or able to discuss those beliefs, and you are free from having to discuss this with them, well is that not an issue? Is this a bible discussion forum, or lets push our beliefs on everyone forum
I know what you are. Your not the first person who has come in, your not gonna be the last.. But we enjoy our conversations with you. Knowing maybe you can teach us somethign we have not known of vice versa)
So if I am a pre mill. Who believes god keeps his promises. And not a calvanist. I am not willing to submit to Gods will, and people shoudl question if I am even a christian?
Thanks, I believe (unless I misunderstood you) you just showed your hand.
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Really?
Isaiah 11:
11 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the SECOND time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the [d]islands of the sea.
First regathering was after the Babylonian captivity.
The 2nd started on May 14, 1948.
Very inconvenient for the replacement Theologians that the Jews are in the Land under the name ISRAEL.
Isaiah 11:
11 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the SECOND time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the [d]islands of the sea.
First regathering was after the Babylonian captivity.
The 2nd started on May 14, 1948.
Very inconvenient for the replacement Theologians that the Jews are in the Land under the name ISRAEL.
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Of course you misunderstood, that is your forte'. You and I come at this from two different angles and that will only lead to a crash when we get to the intersection.
I am not going to persuade you, that is the Holy Spirit's job.
But we also cannot connect on much of anything. I am NOT thinking you are Armiinian at all. Probably more Amyraldian so you got some things right. LOL
So I am an amil who believes God kept His promises.
We wait for His coming......that is the last promise. <Maranatha>
I am not going to persuade you, that is the Holy Spirit's job.
But we also cannot connect on much of anything. I am NOT thinking you are Armiinian at all. Probably more Amyraldian so you got some things right. LOL
So I am an amil who believes God kept His promises.
We wait for His coming......that is the last promise. <Maranatha>
Its jerusalem thats especially contested bit of land as its the apple of Gods eye. New Jerusalem is mentioned in Revelation. JUdah was the tribe that was given the lot where Jerusalem the capital is. JEsus was from the tribe of Judah and Judah was the tribe from which Kings descended. But Jesus had claims to all of Israel too. As those who believe KNOW him to be King of Israel. Its the whole israel vs judah thing that God is still sorting out. And until the jews believe that Jesus is their King too, things wont change.
This is why Paul was giving the gospel to gentiles because Judah was the tribe that still resisted...Jesus OWN tribe in the flesh.
We see when israel disobeyed God in the OT they were cursed and nearly lost their land, and they had twice been exiled? But see Gods covenant cannot be annulled it was renewed in Jesus. Since Jesus is the only begotten son and firstborn, He has the firstborn's privelige to inherit all the land that God promised to his fathers. Well what about Israel, was he not firstborn. When Israel was jacob, remember his twin brother was .esau. Esau was actually the physically firstborn but he gave away his blessing. ITs a loooong story which is why we read the OT!! Jacob (now named Israel) had twelve sons which make up the patriarchs of the nation of Israel. One of these sons was Judah. One of the prophecies or blessings given to Judah was that kings shall come from that line. King david, solomon, etc. And the very last King, which people still contest today, was Jesus. The reason he had twelve disciples (apostles) as they each represented the twelve tribes of israel. We do know that Judas was the one that betrayed him.
I dont want to go on otherwise I will just end up repeating the whole bible and you all very smart on here you can read for yourselves!
Any way as we see, Jesus regards us as brothers and sisters -co-heirs for the meek shall inherit the earth. When Jesus returns rest assured that we believers can go visit Him in the new Jerusalem.
This is why Paul was giving the gospel to gentiles because Judah was the tribe that still resisted...Jesus OWN tribe in the flesh.
We see when israel disobeyed God in the OT they were cursed and nearly lost their land, and they had twice been exiled? But see Gods covenant cannot be annulled it was renewed in Jesus. Since Jesus is the only begotten son and firstborn, He has the firstborn's privelige to inherit all the land that God promised to his fathers. Well what about Israel, was he not firstborn. When Israel was jacob, remember his twin brother was .esau. Esau was actually the physically firstborn but he gave away his blessing. ITs a loooong story which is why we read the OT!! Jacob (now named Israel) had twelve sons which make up the patriarchs of the nation of Israel. One of these sons was Judah. One of the prophecies or blessings given to Judah was that kings shall come from that line. King david, solomon, etc. And the very last King, which people still contest today, was Jesus. The reason he had twelve disciples (apostles) as they each represented the twelve tribes of israel. We do know that Judas was the one that betrayed him.
I dont want to go on otherwise I will just end up repeating the whole bible and you all very smart on here you can read for yourselves!
Any way as we see, Jesus regards us as brothers and sisters -co-heirs for the meek shall inherit the earth. When Jesus returns rest assured that we believers can go visit Him in the new Jerusalem.
Really?
Isaiah 11:
11 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the SECOND time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the [d]islands of the sea.
First regathering was after the Babylonian captivity.
The 2nd started on May 14, 1948.
Very inconvenient for the replacement Theologians that the Jews are in the Land under the name ISRAEL.
Well you just showed your inability to read and comprehend.
Try reading it again.
God says there will be TWO regatherings. The first is indeed Babylon.
Isaiah 11:
11 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the SECOND time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the [d]islands of the sea.
First regathering was after the Babylonian captivity.
The 2nd started on May 14, 1948.
Very inconvenient for the replacement Theologians that the Jews are in the Land under the name ISRAEL.
Well you just showed your inability to read and comprehend.
Try reading it again.
God says there will be TWO regatherings. The first is indeed Babylon.
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Aside from all the scripture throwing........."take that verse!"........."no, Take THAT one".........and so it goes.
What is the purpose of a new Israel? Or a new temple? I'd like to see some logical answers if there are any.
And don't tell me God isn't logical..........just look at the order of His creation.
What is the purpose of a new Israel? Or a new temple? I'd like to see some logical answers if there are any.
And don't tell me God isn't logical..........just look at the order of His creation.
If you are a premillie then we have nothing to share.
To be plain I am calvinist, supralapsarian, amillenist, and all else that is biblical.
I believe the man who is not willing to submit to the electing love and sovereign grace of God, has great reason to question whether he is a Christian at all, for the spirit that kicks against that is the spirit of the devil, and the spirit of the unhumbled, unrenewed heart.
Charles Spurgeon[/QUOTE]
PennEd gave me a great big RED X........whhhhhhhhhhooooa
Guess Ed does not like Calvinists.
To be plain I am calvinist, supralapsarian, amillenist, and all else that is biblical.
I believe the man who is not willing to submit to the electing love and sovereign grace of God, has great reason to question whether he is a Christian at all, for the spirit that kicks against that is the spirit of the devil, and the spirit of the unhumbled, unrenewed heart.
Charles Spurgeon[/QUOTE]
PennEd gave me a great big RED X........whhhhhhhhhhooooa
Guess Ed does not like Calvinists.
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Could you quote this history that blatantly contradicts other accounts. You post your and I will post mine.
16 And the sons of Israel, the priests, the Levites and the rest of the [r]exiles, celebrated the dedication of this house of God with joy. 17 They offered for the dedication of this temple of God 100 bulls, 200 rams, 400 lambs, and as a sin offering for all Israel 12 male goats, corresponding to the number of the tribes of Israel. 18 Then they appointed the priests to their divisions and the Levites in their orders for the service of God [s]in Jerusalem, as it is written in the book of Moses.
The Passover Observed
19 The exiles observed the Passover on the fourteenth of the first month. 20 For the priests and the Levites had purified themselves together; all of them were pure. Then they slaughtered the Passover lamb for all the exiles, both for their brothers the priests and for themselves. 21 The sons of Israel who returned from exile and all those who had separated themselves from the impurity of the nations of the land to join them, to seek the Lord God of Israel, ate the Passover. 22 And they observed the Feast of Unleavened Bread seven days with joy, for the Lord had caused them to rejoice, and had turned the heart of the king of Assyria toward them to [t]encourage them in the work of the house of God, the God of Israel.
Neh 9 : The descendants of Israel separated themselves from all foreigners, and stood and confessed their sins and the iniquities of their fathers
as for israels return, it was prophesied
Isaiah 11:16
And there will be a highway from Assyria For the remnant of His people who will be left, Just as there was for Israel In the day that they came up out of the land of Egypt.