Modern State of Israel: Is it biblical?
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Like I pointed out that must be the work of the devil to confuse the world. I have nothing to gain by stating this because I am a Christian of the bloodline of Judah. Judah is the name they should have used for their new country. Here is the Britannica entry of the 10 lost tribes:
Ten Lost Tribes of Israel
WRITTEN BY:
The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica
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Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, 10 of the original 12 Hebrew tribes, which, under the leadership of Joshua, took possession of Canaan, the Promised Land, after the death of Moses. They were named Asher, Dan, Ephraim, Gad, Issachar, Manasseh, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon,
and Zebulun—all sons or grandsons of Jacob. In 930 BC the 10 tribes formed the independent Kingdom of Israel in the north and the 2 other tribes, Judah and Benjamin, set up the Kingdom of Judah in the south. Following the conquest of the northern kingdom by the Assyrians in 721 BC, the 10 tribes were gradually assimilated by other peoples and thus disappeared from history. Nevertheless, a belief persisted that one day the Ten Lost Tribes would be found. Eldad ha-Dani, for instance, a 9th-century Jewish traveler, reported locating the tribes “beyond the rivers of Abyssinia” on the far side of an impassable river called Sambation, a roaring torrent of stones that becomes subdued only on the sabbath, when Jews are not permitted to travel. Manasseh ben Israel (1604–57) used the legend of the lost tribes in pleading successfully for admission of Jews into England during Oliver Cromwell’s regime. Peoples who at various times were said to be descendants of the lost tribes include the Nestorians, the Mormons, the Afghans, the Falashas of Ethiopia, the American Indians, and the Japanese. Among the numerous immigrants to the State of Israel since its establishment in 1948 were a few who likewise claimed to be remnants of the Ten Lost Tribes. The descendants of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin have survived as Jews because they were allowed to return to their homeland after the Babylonian Exile of 586 BC.
End article.
So if they are still looking for them, they must still be lost. Simeon is erroneously listed as of the Northern ten, they were fully assimilated into Judah. Omitted was a partial of Levi and a partial of Benjamin. Ephraim and Manasseh should just be called Joseph.
Ten Lost Tribes of Israel
WRITTEN BY:
The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica
See Article History
Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, 10 of the original 12 Hebrew tribes, which, under the leadership of Joshua, took possession of Canaan, the Promised Land, after the death of Moses. They were named Asher, Dan, Ephraim, Gad, Issachar, Manasseh, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon,
and Zebulun—all sons or grandsons of Jacob. In 930 BC the 10 tribes formed the independent Kingdom of Israel in the north and the 2 other tribes, Judah and Benjamin, set up the Kingdom of Judah in the south. Following the conquest of the northern kingdom by the Assyrians in 721 BC, the 10 tribes were gradually assimilated by other peoples and thus disappeared from history. Nevertheless, a belief persisted that one day the Ten Lost Tribes would be found. Eldad ha-Dani, for instance, a 9th-century Jewish traveler, reported locating the tribes “beyond the rivers of Abyssinia” on the far side of an impassable river called Sambation, a roaring torrent of stones that becomes subdued only on the sabbath, when Jews are not permitted to travel. Manasseh ben Israel (1604–57) used the legend of the lost tribes in pleading successfully for admission of Jews into England during Oliver Cromwell’s regime. Peoples who at various times were said to be descendants of the lost tribes include the Nestorians, the Mormons, the Afghans, the Falashas of Ethiopia, the American Indians, and the Japanese. Among the numerous immigrants to the State of Israel since its establishment in 1948 were a few who likewise claimed to be remnants of the Ten Lost Tribes. The descendants of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin have survived as Jews because they were allowed to return to their homeland after the Babylonian Exile of 586 BC.
End article.
So if they are still looking for them, they must still be lost. Simeon is erroneously listed as of the Northern ten, they were fully assimilated into Judah. Omitted was a partial of Levi and a partial of Benjamin. Ephraim and Manasseh should just be called Joseph.
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Like I pointed out that must be the work of the devil to confuse the world. I have nothing to gain by stating this because I am a Christian of the bloodline of Judah. Judah is the name they should have used for their new country. Here is the Britannica entry of the 10 lost tribes:
Ten Lost Tribes of Israel
WRITTEN BY:
The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica
See Article History
Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, 10 of the original 12 Hebrew tribes, which, under the leadership of Joshua, took possession of Canaan, the Promised Land, after the death of Moses. They were named Asher, Dan, Ephraim, Gad, Issachar, Manasseh, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon,
and Zebulun—all sons or grandsons of Jacob. In 930 BC the 10 tribes formed the independent Kingdom of Israel in the north and the 2 other tribes, Judah and Benjamin, set up the Kingdom of Judah in the south. Following the conquest of the northern kingdom by the Assyrians in 721 BC, the 10 tribes were gradually assimilated by other peoples and thus disappeared from history. Nevertheless, a belief persisted that one day the Ten Lost Tribes would be found. Eldad ha-Dani, for instance, a 9th-century Jewish traveler, reported locating the tribes “beyond the rivers of Abyssinia” on the far side of an impassable river called Sambation, a roaring torrent of stones that becomes subdued only on the sabbath, when Jews are not permitted to travel. Manasseh ben Israel (1604–57) used the legend of the lost tribes in pleading successfully for admission of Jews into England during Oliver Cromwell’s regime. Peoples who at various times were said to be descendants of the lost tribes include the Nestorians, the Mormons, the Afghans, the Falashas of Ethiopia, the American Indians, and the Japanese. Among the numerous immigrants to the State of Israel since its establishment in 1948 were a few who likewise claimed to be remnants of the Ten Lost Tribes. The descendants of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin have survived as Jews because they were allowed to return to their homeland after the Babylonian Exile of 586 BC.
End article.
So if they are still looking for them, they must still be lost. Simeon is erroneously listed as of the Northern ten, they were fully assimilated into Judah. Omitted was a partial of Levi and a partial of Benjamin. Ephraim and Manasseh should just be called Joseph.
Ten Lost Tribes of Israel
WRITTEN BY:
The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica
See Article History
Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, 10 of the original 12 Hebrew tribes, which, under the leadership of Joshua, took possession of Canaan, the Promised Land, after the death of Moses. They were named Asher, Dan, Ephraim, Gad, Issachar, Manasseh, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon,
and Zebulun—all sons or grandsons of Jacob. In 930 BC the 10 tribes formed the independent Kingdom of Israel in the north and the 2 other tribes, Judah and Benjamin, set up the Kingdom of Judah in the south. Following the conquest of the northern kingdom by the Assyrians in 721 BC, the 10 tribes were gradually assimilated by other peoples and thus disappeared from history. Nevertheless, a belief persisted that one day the Ten Lost Tribes would be found. Eldad ha-Dani, for instance, a 9th-century Jewish traveler, reported locating the tribes “beyond the rivers of Abyssinia” on the far side of an impassable river called Sambation, a roaring torrent of stones that becomes subdued only on the sabbath, when Jews are not permitted to travel. Manasseh ben Israel (1604–57) used the legend of the lost tribes in pleading successfully for admission of Jews into England during Oliver Cromwell’s regime. Peoples who at various times were said to be descendants of the lost tribes include the Nestorians, the Mormons, the Afghans, the Falashas of Ethiopia, the American Indians, and the Japanese. Among the numerous immigrants to the State of Israel since its establishment in 1948 were a few who likewise claimed to be remnants of the Ten Lost Tribes. The descendants of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin have survived as Jews because they were allowed to return to their homeland after the Babylonian Exile of 586 BC.
End article.
So if they are still looking for them, they must still be lost. Simeon is erroneously listed as of the Northern ten, they were fully assimilated into Judah. Omitted was a partial of Levi and a partial of Benjamin. Ephraim and Manasseh should just be called Joseph.
God knows where they are
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I wouldn't expect a response from PennEd because 11:11 completely shuts down his argument.
How very disappointing
I shall miss him.
How very disappointing
I shall miss him.
1. Egypt was not a regathering. So wrong answer
2. Babylon was the FIRST time ALL israel had been punished for their sins (it started with Assyria removign the northern kingdom) so in no way could it be the REGATHERING, because JUDA had not even been removed yet.
3. Is 11 is speaking of the restoration of Isreal at the end. And it must be taken in context. Here are the characteristics of that period. When they will be restored.
Isaiah 11: 11 Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse,
And a branch from his roots will bear fruit.
(This is Jesus, so he must ocome BEFORE this gathering)
Concerning this shoot (jesus) . God says the following.
2 The Spirit of the Lord will rest on Him,
The spirit of wisdom and understanding,
The spirit of counsel and strength,
The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.
3 And He will delight in the fear of the Lord,
And He will not judge by what His eyes see,
Nor make a decision by what His ears hear;
4 But with righteousness He will judge the poor,
And decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth;
And He will strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,
And with the breath of His lips He will slay the wicked.
5 Also righteousness will be the belt about His loins,
And faithfulness the belt about His waist.
God will have judged the earth, With as this says, the rod (sound familiar, the king who will RULE with a rod of Iron)
Concerning the earth in this day
6 And the wolf will dwell with the lamb,
And the leopard will lie down with the young goat,
And the calf and the young lion [a]and the fatling together;
And a little boy will lead them.
7 Also the cow and the bear will graze,
Their young will lie down together,
And the lion will eat straw like the ox.
8 The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra,
And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den.
9 They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain,
For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord
As the waters cover the sea.
10 Then in that day
The nations will resort to the root of Jesse,
Who will stand as a [b]signal for the peoples;
And His resting place will be [c]glorious.
Concerning Israel, The Restored Remnant
11 Then it will happen on that day that the Lord
Will again recover the second time with His hand
The remnant of His people, who will remain,
From Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath,
And from the [d]islands of the sea.
12 And He will lift up a standard for the nations
And assemble the banished ones of Israel,
And will gather the dispersed of Judah
From the four corners of the earth.
As for the rest of the world
13 Then the jealousy of Ephraim will depart,
And those who harass Judah will be cut off;
Ephraim will not be jealous of Judah,
And Judah will not harass Ephraim.
Again back to Israel
14 They will swoop down on the slopes of the Philistines on the west;
Together they will plunder the sons of the east;
[e]They will possess Edom and Moab,
And the sons of Ammon will be [f]subject to them.
Gods judgment on the gentiles
15 And the Lord will [g]utterly destroy
The tongue of the [h]Sea of Egypt;
And He will wave His hand over the [i]River
With His scorching wind;
And He will strike it into seven streams
And make men walk over [j]dry-shod.
As for the rest of the lost, The people who were taken by Assyria, Even they will return
16 And there will be a highway from Assyria
For the remnant of His people who will be left,
Just as there was for Israel
In the day that they came up out of the land of Egypt.
So in laughing and mocking a brother in Christ. You have made yourself look bad. Not only could you not get who the prophet Isaiah was talking ab out in Verse 11. You completely missed context of the time period. The people. And what is going on in this prophesy.
Shame Shame, Instead of trying to rip your brothers apart. You should try to listen every now and then, Because you may be wrong (and you are)
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1. The modern state of Israel fits into Bible prophecy in that there must be a temple in Jerusalem to be desecrated and defiled by the Antichrist with the Abomination of Desolation. This will be followed by the Great Tribulation and the Second Coming of Christ. There are quite a few in Israel today planning the building of this third temple and also waiting for their *true Messiah* to come. Most of them will be deceived by this renegade Jew, who will claim to be God and Christ through his miracles.
2. There will be the battle of Armageddon in the future, which will include a multitude of nations coming against Israel before the Second Coming of Christ. Therefore there must be a nation of Israel at His coming to the Mount of Olives and then destroying the armies gathered outside Jerusalem.
3. After that, there must be a gathering up of all Jews from around the world to come to Israel, so that a believing remnant is prepared to enter into the Millennium. Therefore there must be a nation of Israel at His coming.
Having said that, and given the fact that most of the citizens of Israel are unbelievers, it would appear that they will be judged for their unbelief, just like all other unbelievers. But eventually *all Israel shall be saved*, which would apply only to the believing remnant.
Replacement Theology is completely false, since it ignores God's promises to Abraham concerning the land between the Nile and the Euphrates. That land is certainly not reserved for the Church, since God has built the New Jerusalem in Heaven for the Church. But there will be a redeemed and restored kingdom of Israel on earth, with David as prince, and Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords.
As to backing all this up with Scripture, it would become too cumbersome. But those who know their Bible will see that all of this is in Scripture.
2. There will be the battle of Armageddon in the future, which will include a multitude of nations coming against Israel before the Second Coming of Christ. Therefore there must be a nation of Israel at His coming to the Mount of Olives and then destroying the armies gathered outside Jerusalem.
3. After that, there must be a gathering up of all Jews from around the world to come to Israel, so that a believing remnant is prepared to enter into the Millennium. Therefore there must be a nation of Israel at His coming.
Having said that, and given the fact that most of the citizens of Israel are unbelievers, it would appear that they will be judged for their unbelief, just like all other unbelievers. But eventually *all Israel shall be saved*, which would apply only to the believing remnant.
Replacement Theology is completely false, since it ignores God's promises to Abraham concerning the land between the Nile and the Euphrates. That land is certainly not reserved for the Church, since God has built the New Jerusalem in Heaven for the Church. But there will be a redeemed and restored kingdom of Israel on earth, with David as prince, and Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords.
As to backing all this up with Scripture, it would become too cumbersome. But those who know their Bible will see that all of this is in Scripture.
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Land spiritual?
I guess the exodus did nto happen, it was just a story? Lol
I guess the exodus did nto happen, it was just a story?
Lol
Im completely done here if that happens
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We should not confuse the modern secular state of Israel with the REDEEMED AND RESTORED kingdom of Israel after the Second Coming of Christ.
Both the geography and the spiritual condition of the residents will be completely different after the Second Coming. There are a multitude of prophecies which confirm this in some detail.
Both the geography and the spiritual condition of the residents will be completely different after the Second Coming. There are a multitude of prophecies which confirm this in some detail.
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Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Fulfilled right here:
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Simeon said Isaiah 11 was fulfilled when Christ took the people of the Gentiles as his people. That happened when Jesus came the first time.
Fulfilled right here:
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Simeon said Isaiah 11 was fulfilled when Christ took the people of the Gentiles as his people. That happened when Jesus came the first time.
The bible clearly says that the tabernacle of David was built again when Christ came the first time. Agree or no?
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
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people want to say Simon said this prophesy was fulfilled. Simon said no thing, Simon spoke of prophesies concerning the gentiles and how God would go to them in the future. (Paul even mentioned some of these prophesies in Rom 9 - 10)
Either way.. the followng is true
1. Isaiah is not talking about gentiles (except for their punishment) So simon could not be talking in said passage about gentiles
2. One must Just ignore the rest of the passage of what the prophet said ( The things I highlighted which in any case NON HAVE AS OF YET OCCURED) till this day
But hey, if these people want to continue to laugh and attack others.. Thats on them, People can see right through it.
Either way.. the followng is true
1. Isaiah is not talking about gentiles (except for their punishment) So simon could not be talking in said passage about gentiles
2. One must Just ignore the rest of the passage of what the prophet said ( The things I highlighted which in any case NON HAVE AS OF YET OCCURED) till this day
But hey, if these people want to continue to laugh and attack others.. Thats on them, People can see right through it.