Hey guys!
It has been a while, but I am back on. I don’t really expect that I would be remember by any senior members here, since people come and go all of the time on this site. I haven’t been on here for several years now, but I went under the username Spokenpassage. Apparently my account was deleted due to inactivity, but I was able to set up my account again with the same email. Finding a username is not easy, I did like the other one, but I decided to be different. The first time I joined I was still near my mid-teens (2011), but now I am near my mid-twenties. The Lord has done a lot in my life throughout these years, I could not explain it in one post if I wanted to. Anyways, after praying a while about rejoining, I wanted to see what is up nowadays here. There have been a lot of people I personally met on here that seem completely gone, while I am still seeing others thriving in these discussions group (you know who you are). It is normal to see members and thread posts constantly debate about the law, end times, and the Trinity. It is like here things go on repeat, and I just don’t know how some of you who are still on here still do it. So this is a sort of introduction I suppose.
*to the point*
I want to have an honest, serious, discussion with knowledgeable brothers here about some subjects. If you deny that God is revealed in three distinct co-eternal, consubstantial, persons; or that we are not under the jurisdiction of the law, but have been washed and justified in the saving blood of Jesus Christ through faith by grace alone; that we all are condemned in connection to, and corrupt by transmission from, Adam’s first transgression in the garden; that God predestined some persons in Christ, for his glory and praise, before the foundation of the world was laid, and predestined the rest to be lost in their sin to eternal punishment; then I prefer that you don’t respond. A lack of acknowledging and trusting in these truths keep discussions from progressing anywhere in any place of theology. There are too many people out there who want to be teachers and tell people about what they think they know. Some here are continually promoting Mosaic Law keeping, which is insane still (with the exception of one particular brother here who does it because he simply wants to). Don’t you understand that the Mosaic Law was written to the nation of Israel for tenure in the land of their possession? It was never intended for the world to obey, it pertained to the conditional nature of Abraham’s promises and the arrival of the coming Messiah. The New Covenant, as the writer of Hebrews plainly states, is a newer and better covenant that promised better things and eternal realities, whereas the Old Covenant promised temporal promises and realities to a temporal nation for a temporal period until the Offspring would be born and redeem the elect of God from the creation to the last one who will be converted prior to the resurrection of the dead and the consummation of the kingdom on the new earth. Anyways…
I want an honest, serious, prayerful conversation on the issue of the modern state of Israel. What is your take on its existence? Is it biblical, is it not? Explain your reason, back it up with Scripture. This is not necessarily political question, and it is not so much of whether it is a settlement of land thief or that the government is maybe questionable in their control of the land. You can mention that if you want, but I am looking for a discussion on the statehood itself. Many say that this is the fulfillment of some prophecy, that God would bring the Jews back to the land of Canaan as their possession. Others see this as a fraud and a fake, that God had already finished his purpose with Israel a long time ago and that they no longer exist as a nation.
Now,
* Replacement Theology teaches that the Church replaced the nation of Israel (New Covenant replaces and abolishes the Old).
* Reformed Theology teaches that the Church is the eschatological and fulfillment of Israel (New Covenant is what the Old pointed to and foreshadowed).
Pointing that out there lest someone confuses two.
I am of the conviction that this is not biblical, this is not right, and that the fact that many Christians are supporting it is frightening. I can explain afterward.
It has been a while, but I am back on. I don’t really expect that I would be remember by any senior members here, since people come and go all of the time on this site. I haven’t been on here for several years now, but I went under the username Spokenpassage. Apparently my account was deleted due to inactivity, but I was able to set up my account again with the same email. Finding a username is not easy, I did like the other one, but I decided to be different. The first time I joined I was still near my mid-teens (2011), but now I am near my mid-twenties. The Lord has done a lot in my life throughout these years, I could not explain it in one post if I wanted to. Anyways, after praying a while about rejoining, I wanted to see what is up nowadays here. There have been a lot of people I personally met on here that seem completely gone, while I am still seeing others thriving in these discussions group (you know who you are). It is normal to see members and thread posts constantly debate about the law, end times, and the Trinity. It is like here things go on repeat, and I just don’t know how some of you who are still on here still do it. So this is a sort of introduction I suppose.
*to the point*
I want to have an honest, serious, discussion with knowledgeable brothers here about some subjects. If you deny that God is revealed in three distinct co-eternal, consubstantial, persons; or that we are not under the jurisdiction of the law, but have been washed and justified in the saving blood of Jesus Christ through faith by grace alone; that we all are condemned in connection to, and corrupt by transmission from, Adam’s first transgression in the garden; that God predestined some persons in Christ, for his glory and praise, before the foundation of the world was laid, and predestined the rest to be lost in their sin to eternal punishment; then I prefer that you don’t respond. A lack of acknowledging and trusting in these truths keep discussions from progressing anywhere in any place of theology. There are too many people out there who want to be teachers and tell people about what they think they know. Some here are continually promoting Mosaic Law keeping, which is insane still (with the exception of one particular brother here who does it because he simply wants to). Don’t you understand that the Mosaic Law was written to the nation of Israel for tenure in the land of their possession? It was never intended for the world to obey, it pertained to the conditional nature of Abraham’s promises and the arrival of the coming Messiah. The New Covenant, as the writer of Hebrews plainly states, is a newer and better covenant that promised better things and eternal realities, whereas the Old Covenant promised temporal promises and realities to a temporal nation for a temporal period until the Offspring would be born and redeem the elect of God from the creation to the last one who will be converted prior to the resurrection of the dead and the consummation of the kingdom on the new earth. Anyways…
I want an honest, serious, prayerful conversation on the issue of the modern state of Israel. What is your take on its existence? Is it biblical, is it not? Explain your reason, back it up with Scripture. This is not necessarily political question, and it is not so much of whether it is a settlement of land thief or that the government is maybe questionable in their control of the land. You can mention that if you want, but I am looking for a discussion on the statehood itself. Many say that this is the fulfillment of some prophecy, that God would bring the Jews back to the land of Canaan as their possession. Others see this as a fraud and a fake, that God had already finished his purpose with Israel a long time ago and that they no longer exist as a nation.
Now,
* Replacement Theology teaches that the Church replaced the nation of Israel (New Covenant replaces and abolishes the Old).
* Reformed Theology teaches that the Church is the eschatological and fulfillment of Israel (New Covenant is what the Old pointed to and foreshadowed).
Pointing that out there lest someone confuses two.
I am of the conviction that this is not biblical, this is not right, and that the fact that many Christians are supporting it is frightening. I can explain afterward.
