Loss of salvation???
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Ephesians 2 verse 10 ~ We are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unot good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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The word "name" and "title" were used interchangeably.
Context would dictate it's meaning.
Jesus's name? Is, "Jesus."
Not, King of kings and Lord of lords." (Rev 19:16)
That "name" was the title for Jesus!
Sometimes it is surprising to see how our understanding would be quite different if said today.
grace and peace .............
Context would dictate it's meaning.
Jesus's name? Is, "Jesus."
Not, King of kings and Lord of lords." (Rev 19:16)
That "name" was the title for Jesus!
On his robe and on his thigh, he has this name written:
King of kings and lord of lords."
The better Bible teachers are able to present what words meant at the time of writing. Sometimes it is surprising to see how our understanding would be quite different if said today.
grace and peace .............
James spoke of justification in relation to works as one of the two prime elements, not salvation itself being derived only from works. That is what I wrote about. I never said he spoke of work's-based salvation as a stand-alone element.
For clarification, James wrote about one's faith being established, or manifested as genuine and real, on the basis of works.
Does that help?
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For clarification, James wrote about one's faith being established, or manifested as genuine and real, on the basis of works.
Does that help?
MM
I don't understand your question because baptism is indeed in that verse as one of two elements necessary for their salvation at that time.
So, rather than stumbling through the dark to try and understand what it is you're thinking, suffice it to say that the conclusion to what that verse is saying, and what it did not say, is that if one doesn't believe, then the lack baptism is of no consequence. There's no reason therefore for the writer to have stated the obvious.
That verse clearly shows to us that faith coupled with baptism was the measure of evidence for a true faith. That's what was expected of them. It really is that simple. If they didn't have faith but were merely religious and thus lacking true faith, then baptism would avail nothing.
The inevitable rabbit hole some are bound to fall into is, "What about those who get baptized without true faith, but making others believe that they do have true faith?"
To those who would ask that, look, it doesn't matter what others think about the genuineness of another's faith, because that will ultimately have no bearing upon that individual back then who got baptized without genuine faith. That's on them, so why worry about such trivial things. When someone asks such a silly question, that only causes me to wonder about them and their faith, had I lived back then under that Kingdom Gospel.
You're right. The temporary passing away of the Kingdom Gospel and its ability to save anyone did indeed diminish with the firm establishment of the Gospel of Grace as the ONLY way to salvation. When something is unmerited, then no work can possibly bolster it, for it is UNMERITED (to those out there who seem to always miss the obvious). Paul argued this to the point of bruises to ego.
Don't worry, though, because the Kingdom Gospel will once again be in full force for the Jews. It's coming, but not to us who are in the body of Christ, for we will be redeemed from this world before that ever takes place...we who have accepted the work-less salvation that is only possible through the Gospel of Grace. The Hebrew Roots and Orthodox Jews who believe they are saved with works as a prime element for salvation, they are at the mercy of the Lord and His perfect judgement upon them as to if they ultimately will be saved or not.
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So, rather than stumbling through the dark to try and understand what it is you're thinking, suffice it to say that the conclusion to what that verse is saying, and what it did not say, is that if one doesn't believe, then the lack baptism is of no consequence. There's no reason therefore for the writer to have stated the obvious.
That verse clearly shows to us that faith coupled with baptism was the measure of evidence for a true faith. That's what was expected of them. It really is that simple. If they didn't have faith but were merely religious and thus lacking true faith, then baptism would avail nothing.
The inevitable rabbit hole some are bound to fall into is, "What about those who get baptized without true faith, but making others believe that they do have true faith?"
To those who would ask that, look, it doesn't matter what others think about the genuineness of another's faith, because that will ultimately have no bearing upon that individual back then who got baptized without genuine faith. That's on them, so why worry about such trivial things. When someone asks such a silly question, that only causes me to wonder about them and their faith, had I lived back then under that Kingdom Gospel.
You're right. The temporary passing away of the Kingdom Gospel and its ability to save anyone did indeed diminish with the firm establishment of the Gospel of Grace as the ONLY way to salvation. When something is unmerited, then no work can possibly bolster it, for it is UNMERITED (to those out there who seem to always miss the obvious). Paul argued this to the point of bruises to ego.
Don't worry, though, because the Kingdom Gospel will once again be in full force for the Jews. It's coming, but not to us who are in the body of Christ, for we will be redeemed from this world before that ever takes place...we who have accepted the work-less salvation that is only possible through the Gospel of Grace. The Hebrew Roots and Orthodox Jews who believe they are saved with works as a prime element for salvation, they are at the mercy of the Lord and His perfect judgement upon them as to if they ultimately will be saved or not.
MM
You spoke that in present tense, and nobody here ever stated that Jews today are saved any differently than Gentiles. Therefore, your reading comprehension skills were lacking in this regard for whatever reason and agenda you have on your plate. Please read what people actually said rather than invent trash that nobody ever stated. This kind of trash talk is tiring to say the least...
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