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obedienttogod said:
If that was the case, no way would my employer let me be anywhere near the the most precise machine in any machine shop, the jig grinder. And my tolerances and the shop guarantee is we can hold true position to 0.00008 ( +/- 80 millionths).
Why We Excel:

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then a 'formula' that only works over a small percentage of its supposed domain is equally unworthy of being kept around.

you can't justify it, you can't even state it correctly, and it doesn't even work.

do you see yet, difference between astrology and astronomy? the difference between numerology and actual math?

those CMM droids i commanded last year can measure half the tolerance you are able to keep. that's why certain companies contract people like me to check the work of people like you.

have a nice day :)
 
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posthuman said:
then a 'formula' that only works over a small percentage of its supposed domain is equally unworthy of being kept around.

you can't justify it, you can't even state it correctly, and it doesn't even work.

do you see yet, difference between astrology and astronomy? the difference between numerology and actual math?

those CMM droids i commanded last year can measure half the tolerance you are able to keep. that's why certain companies contract people like me to check the work of people like you.

have a nice day :)
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Actually, the chapter number times how many verses leads to many results that you can always find a relation to the chapter meaning.

And I am not trying to use this idea in a form of astrology, astronomy, numerology, or any other retarded conclusion you have left to suggest.

HAHA on your CMM assumptions.

Did you forget the portion of the post where I stated as an Engineer I work in the R&D Department?

Not only do I run all equipment (mostly the jig grinder) to an expertise level (I am building gages - the bible of manufacturing), I create my own GD&T (blueprints - CadCam - SolidWorks - Vector - MasterCam), plus have been trained by Brown & Sharpe to program the DCC CMM GLOBAL unit using TESA Technology, specifically OEM software PC-DMIS.

And I know for a FACT, CMM's have an error of almost .0001.

This is why when I want it checked correctly, not done by someone ASSUMING the CMM is best, I use the SIP!! The gibs are tighter than any other mill. And I can eliminate the .0001 slop I get, from using the CMM!!
 
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Just as much as a woodchuck could Chuck wood!
 
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0.00008 inch = 0.002 mm

there are a lot of different kinds of measurement equipment. and a lot of different kinds of measures.
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The 80 millionths is just my overall tolerance of true positioning. But I can get it closer. A typical GAGE from me is around 20 millionths from true position. There are not many people in this world who can make that claim. But you saw the pictures of those Gages. They are top notch and second to none!! We are a very lean shop, because people just don't possess the mathematical skills, plus the machining skills, but also the mental aptitude to work in such an environment.

It's why your cut downs on me are like a joke. I am willing to bet you could never make it in my shop as a GageMaker!!
 
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It's why your cut downs on me are like a joke.
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i'm not cutting you down, and i'm not joking.

i'm here to do math. properly.
this entails that i scrutinize your math, correct it where necessary, and discard extraneous things like boasting about what you do for a living, because that has nothing to do with the 'formula' you've given me by fiat.
i'm a mathematician; i want to see derivation and proof.

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Actually, the chapter number times how many verses leads to many results that you can always find a relation to the chapter meaning.
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what evidence do you have to support this?
for 5 pages you've been giving what you now say is a false description of this simple expression, chapter-times-verse or chapter-times-∑ (verses), whichever it turns out to be. all you've given as 'proof' is that you multiplied 125*3 -- and you never said what you found or how that was verification. and earlier you said it doesn't work all the time. now you say you can find a relationship between a Psalm and ... something else you haven't well-defined or given any concrete example of.

how did you come to the conclusion that you can 'always find a relation to the chapter' -- did you go through all 150 Psalms, exhaustively? what kind of relation(s) did you find? how do you know it isn't a relationship that exists because the Bible itself is self-similar, singular in purpose, and full of motif? how do you separate the pre-existing, ubiquitous relationship that exists between every verse of scripture, and come conclusively to the conclusion that it is exactly because of a numeric association?
 
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then a 'formula' that only works over a small percentage of its supposed domain is equally unworthy of being kept around.

you can't justify it, you can't even state it correctly, and it doesn't even work.

do you see yet, difference between astrology and astronomy? the difference between numerology and actual math?

those CMM droids i commanded last year can measure half the tolerance you are able to keep. that's why certain companies contract people like me to check the work of people like you.

have a nice day :)
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If you commanded those droids and check people's work, you are a low on the scale of any machine shop inspector. And inspectors are a far cry from being mathematicians. In fact, inspectors are checking parts that were machined by actual mathematicians!! And setting a part up and running the CMM means, you are not even doing the math to check the tolerances, the program is doing it for you. You are cracking me up from laughing so hard hahahahahahahahaha
 
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obedienttogod said:
If you commanded those droids and check people's work, you are a low on the scale of any machine shop inspector. And inspectors are a far cry from being mathematicians. In fact, inspectors are checking parts that were machined by actual mathematicians!! And setting a part up and running the CMM means, you are not even doing the math to check the tolerances, the program is doing it for you. You are cracking me up from laughing so hard hahahahahahahahaha
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IOW you are unable to address anything in post #107 ?
 
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actual mathematicians!!
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Psalms 150:1-6
Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in His sanctuary: praise Him in the firmament of His power. Praise Him for His mighty acts: praise Him according to His excellent greatness. Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet: praise Him with the psaltery and harp. Praise Him with the timbrel and dance: praise Him with stringed instruments and organs. Praise Him upon the loud cymbals: praise Him upon the high sounding cymbals. Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

150*6 = 900

Judges 4:3
And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD: for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel.


what am i looking at?
 
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Psalms 150:1-6
Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in His sanctuary: praise Him in the firmament of His power. Praise Him for His mighty acts: praise Him according to His excellent greatness. Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet: praise Him with the psaltery and harp. Praise Him with the timbrel and dance: praise Him with stringed instruments and organs. Praise Him upon the loud cymbals: praise Him upon the high sounding cymbals. Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

150*6 = 900

Judges 4:3
And the children of Israel cried unto the LORD: for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel.


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According to what the person presented, it's about future events to come from the time Psalms would have been written. And the time of Judges happened well before David's time. And not all Books of Psalms are relevant to future prophetic events.

However, Psalms 150:

1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.

2 Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.

3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.

4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

5 Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.

6 Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

is relevant to any believer whenever they lived in the history of mankind. And is especially relevant to the NOW day and time as we enter into the last days..
 
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I explained in post #99
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nothing in post #99 answers even a single one of my questions.
nothing in post #111 answers even a single one of my questions.

you have neither demonstrated nor justified any of your statements about this numerological approach to interpretation of Psalms.

what if you created a drawing specifying position for a feature and called out no datums for it whatsoever?
useless, right?
 
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nothing in post #99 answers even a single one of my questions.
nothing in post #111 answers even a single one of my questions.

you have neither demonstrated nor justified any of your statements about this numerological approach to interpretation of Psalms.

what if you created a drawing specifying position for a feature and called out no datums for it whatsoever?
useless, right?
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No, I clarified that the formula this person was using was Chapter number times verse, and then realized it's all of the verses for each chapter. So, it's Chapter Psalms 1 times 6 verses (1*6=6).

And I don't have to clarify anything. This format and simple equation formula, was the person in the video's conclusion.

I only stated, that what I tried did work.
 
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obedienttogod said:
No, I clarified that the formula this person was using was Chapter number times verse, and then realized it's all of the verses for each chapter. So, it's Chapter Psalms 1 times 6 verses (1*6=6).

And I don't have to clarify anything. This format and simple equation formula, was the person in the video's conclusion.

I only stated, that what I tried did work.
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you stated that when you used the wrong formula, it worked, but although i've asked at least twice, you never even said what it was you found, and how it seemed to you to be 'success' -- so you declared 'doing it wrong' worked but refused to provide any evidence that was actually the case. i gave a number of examples and asked for explanation of how this is playing out, and you decided you'd gotten your 'super simple and easy' formula wrong. i gave another example with your new method, and you couldn't show that it works either.

suppose someone asked you to machine a part. they come back after a day to pick it up and you tell them that you made one, not according to the drawing spec, not even including the features he'd asked for, but it 'seemed to you' that it was fine, though you didn't even actually check to see if it was functional, and then you got rid of it so you don't even have your bad part to show for yourself.

would your job requester be satisfied?
maybe if you told him that you are good at plugging numbers into Pythagoras' formula that would smooth things over. lol.
 
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Psalms 150 . . .
is relevant to any believer whenever they lived in the history of mankind. And is especially relevant to the NOW day and time as we enter into the last days..
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the statements you made in assessment of Psalm 150 are true of literally every verse of scripture in the entire Bible, wholly independent of the product of 150 and 6, and wholly independent of the passage in scripture i found that mentions the number '900'

so..
 
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I find it interesting that you keep mentioning Pythagoras' Theorem. It's like you do not know the difference between Geometry and Trigonometry. In Pythagoras' Theorem, all of the sides are added together. In Trigonometry, that is not the case. Typically, we are only looking for the Sine or Cosine. The Tangent is hardly ever used. And 90% of the time, only the Sine is used.

I get that both are Triangles, specifically broken down to the 90 degree Right Angle. But the formulas are nothing alike at all. I would assume as a professing mathematician, you would not continue making this mistake.


Here to help you understand the difference:

Trigonometry was developed after geometry for the purposes of astronomy. Both depend on distances and angles, but trigonometry uses the measurement of angles while geometry deals with angles only in terms of equality of angles and sums of angles.

Trigonometry is science based, that is why it is used in Machine Shop Mathematics, not because you think I am dealing with astronomy.
 
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obedienttogod said:
I find it interesting that you keep mentioning Pythagoras' Theorem.
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because when i asked if you could post the secret Bible-interpretation formula for me, you posted Pythagoras and some elementary trigonometric identities:


obedienttogod said:
I will do one better for you. In the area I work in most, we use a term in our standard mathematics that the Europeans do not, RIGHT TRIANGLE.






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I use these 2 formulas the most in my daily work. I will also clarify terms for you.

sin = sine
cos = cosine
tan = tangent


I will also clarify the machine I use the most in my R&D Department:

(the 3 basics are manual mill, manual lathe, surface-od/id grinder)

Here is a definition that best describes my biggest responsibility (jig grinder).

A jig grinder is a machine tool used for grinding complex shapes and holes where the highest degrees of accuracy and finish are required.
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because when i asked if you could post the secret Bible-interpretation formula for me, you posted Pythagoras and some elementary trigonometric identities:
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No, I posted scientific method pertaining to the Triangle and its Right Angle:

I guess I need to post the definition again for you...

Trigonometry was developed after geometry for the purposes of astronomy. Both depend on distances and angles, but trigonometry uses the measurement of angles while geometry deals with angles only in terms of equality of angles and sums of angles.
 
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No, I posted scientific method pertaining to the Triangle and its Right Angle:
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no, you didn't. you posted two images you found, and 'clarified' the abbreviations of three terms by giving their full names.
that's not 'scientific method' - you didn't derive or prove Pythagoras relation, and sin/cos/tan are simply definitions of computed values.

but when i asked for the formula for interpretation of a passage by its chapter-verse data, you said you'd do even better than that, and gave me some elementary or middle school geometry. It remains to be seen what any of that has to do with what I asked for, because the computations you suggested i do aren't even the operations described in those basic trig cheatsheets...?

how is that related to what I asked you?
 
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