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Agreed! Everlasting fire, though prepared for Satan and his angels, will also be the place of punishment for the unsaved.

Those who are cast into it will exist forever, which is the meaning behind everlasting fire. For scripture does not teach annihilation or extinction.
When Jesus told us to not fear the first death but rather fear the second death does this apply to angels as well. If so, the lake of fire is the first death for angels so they shouldn't fear this death but rather be more apprehensive about it rather than fear it like we are for the first death. Just curious on your thoughts.
 

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When Jesus told us to not fear the first death but rather fear the second death does this apply to angels as well. If so, the lake of fire is the first death for angels so they shouldn't fear this death but rather be more apprehensive about it rather than fear it like we are for the first death. Just curious on your thoughts.
I thought Jesus told us not to fear those who could kill the body. He juxtapositioned that against fearing the One Who could destroy both body and soul.
 
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I thought Jesus told us not to fear those who could kill the body. He juxtapositioned that against fearing the One Who could destroy both body and soul.
yes, you are right to fear the One who can destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire but it is implied by that statement.
 

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yes, you are right to fear the One who can destroy both body and soul in the lake of fire but it is implied by that statement.
I don't think so, not with all the "fear nots" in Scripture.

1. We will not die apart from God’s gracious decree for his children (James 4:15; Matthew 10:29–30; Deuteronomy 32:39).

2. Curses and divination do not hold sway against God’s people (Numbers 23:23).

3. The plans of terrorists and hostile nations do not succeed apart from our gracious God (Psalm 33:10; Isaiah 8:9–10).

4. Man cannot harm us beyond God’s gracious will for us (Psalm 118:6; Psalm 56:11).

5. God promises to protect his own from all that is not finally good for them (Psalm 91:14).

6. God promises to give us all we need to obey, enjoy, and honor him forever (Matthew 6:33; Philippians 4:19).

7. God is never taken off guard (Psalm 121:4).

8. God will be with us, help us, and uphold us in trouble (Isaiah 41:10, 13).

9. Terrors will come, some of us will die, but not a hair of our heads will perish (Luke 21:10–11, 18).

10. Nothing befalls God’s own but in its appointed hour (John 7:30).

11. When God Almighty is your helper, none can harm you beyond what he decrees (Hebrews 13:6; Romans 8:31).


12. God’s faithfulness is based on the firm value of his name, not the fickle measure of our obedience (1 Samuel 12:20–22).

13. The Lord, our protector, is great and awesome (Nehemiah 4:14). source
 
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I don't think so, not with all the "fear nots" in Scripture.

1. We will not die apart from God’s gracious decree for his children (James 4:15; Matthew 10:29–30; Deuteronomy 32:39).

2. Curses and divination do not hold sway against God’s people (Numbers 23:23).

3. The plans of terrorists and hostile nations do not succeed apart from our gracious God (Psalm 33:10; Isaiah 8:9–10).

4. Man cannot harm us beyond God’s gracious will for us (Psalm 118:6; Psalm 56:11).

5. God promises to protect his own from all that is not finally good for them (Psalm 91:14).

6. God promises to give us all we need to obey, enjoy, and honor him forever (Matthew 6:33; Philippians 4:19).

7. God is never taken off guard (Psalm 121:4).

8. God will be with us, help us, and uphold us in trouble (Isaiah 41:10, 13).

9. Terrors will come, some of us will die, but not a hair of our heads will perish (Luke 21:10–11, 18).

10. Nothing befalls God’s own but in its appointed hour (John 7:30).

11. When God Almighty is your helper, none can harm you beyond what he decrees (Hebrews 13:6; Romans 8:31).

12. God’s faithfulness is based on the firm value of his name, not the fickle measure of our obedience (1 Samuel 12:20–22).

13. The Lord, our protector, is great and awesome (Nehemiah 4:14). source
why should we fear the One who can throw both body and soul into the lake of fire if the lake of fire is not something to be feared as well?
 

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why should we fear the One who can throw both body and soul into the lake of fire if the lake of fire is not something to be feared as well?
Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, not the fear of death. Scripture specifies fear of death as the cause of bondage to slavery (sin).
 

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When Jesus told us to not fear the first death but rather fear the second death does this apply to angels as well. If so, the lake of fire is the first death for angels so they shouldn't fear this death but rather be more apprehensive about it rather than fear it like we are for the first death. Just curious on your thoughts.
As i underatand it. It does not apply to angels.
Angels might have eternal life. And thus lake of fire is their eternal punishment.
 
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Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, not the fear of death. Scripture specifies fear of death as the cause of bondage to slavery (sin).
right, as a believer I do not need to fear the first or second death because death and hades will not prevail against the church, however, for me one of the factors in coming to repentance and born again was the fear of the second death.
 

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could it be that nonexistence is the second death for angels
After adam sinned God drove adam away from the garden, coz there's a possibility thar they may eat the fruit of the tree of life and live forever.
Then the power of death will have no grip on them.
Angels even they sinned, instead of death, they were chained in lowest darkness reserve for the lake of fire...
Coz death has no grip on them.
 

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The scripture said the the fire there cannot be quenched...so means that fire will last till eternity


Can you give me at least one verse that the soul of the sinner (except for thw angels, we know they live forever) will not die in there and it will be on fire till eternity...
All of the scripture infer eternal existence. And that because they all use the words eternal fire or everlasting fire. The "everlasting" is in reference not only to the fire that is never quenched, but is in reference to those who are will be in it.

"Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

The eternal fire that is prepared for the devil and his angels, is the same place that the goats will be cast into and where they will suffer the same everlasting fire.

"And they (the wicked) will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Consider the verse above: the word aionios translated eternal, is defined as 'a cycle of time, an age or having no end' and is used for the destiny of both the righteous and the wicked. Therefore, whatever interpretation you use for one must be used for the other. To be clear, if one interprets aionios for the wicked to mean only a cycle of time, then it would mean that eternal life for the righteous must also infer a cycle of time. In other words, the same length of existence is used for both. The following scripture is speaking in regards to those who worship the beast and receive his mark:

"If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name."

In the scripture above, the adjective aionios is not used, but its noun 'aion' which aionios is derived from is used via the translated words 'for ever and ever.' There are also descriptive words used to describe the future eternal state of those who worship the beast, his image and receive his mark, which is that they will have 'no rest day or night.' The words 'no rest day or night' would infer that they must be existing in order to experience not having any rest or intermission from their torment. Below is an example of the word 'aion' defined as having no beginning or end:

"Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven. And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, There will be no more delay!

In the scripture above, the reference to 'Him who lives for ever and ever' is obviously in reference to God, which would mean that the use of the word 'aion' here must be interpreted as 'having no beginning or ending" eternal.

I hope that this is beneficial
 

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Have a full read of matthew 18... and come back with your comments...
For me matthew 18 shows a righteous judgement.
Mat 18:34 KJV And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

1. Man like hitler... order the massacre of millions of jews
2. A simple man who killed a man defending her sister...bith do not believe in God...

Will they both suffer the same length of time (eternity) in eternal fire?

I think God is a righteous judge...even for the sinners.
What you need to understand, is that I am not speaking off the cuff of my sleeve. This information comes from many years of studying these Biblical subjects. I use all of the related scriptures when I teach, which is who I came to my conclusions.

Sin is sin! Whether someone lies or someone murders. And as king David proclaimed to God after he committed adultery and murder against Uriah, 'against you alone have I sinned.'

All of the unrighteous dead will be resurrected, their spirits coming out of Hades and will stand before God to be judged at the great white throne judgment which takes place after the millennial kingdom. The books of that contain all of their deeds in the flesh will be opened and they will be judged for every idle word they ever spoke. Anyone whose name does not appear in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. (Rev.20:11-15)

Regarding Matthew 18:34

"Then the master summoned him and declared, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave all your debt because you begged me. Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had on you?’ In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should repay all that he owed.

I am certain that you quoted this to show that by saying 'until he should repay all that he owed' as meaning that there will be an end to his payment. There isn't!

The only payment for sin is through the shed blood of Christ. When a person dies rejecting Christ, there is no more sacrifice for salvation. Since there is no blood for the payment of the those in the lake of fire, then their sentence is eternal. There's would be no way to obtain payment. The scripture above does not infer that there will be a time when the payment will be made in full. For the wages of sin is death (completely cut off, complete loss of well being, ruination." Therefore, the punishment for sin against the eternal God is eternal torment in the lake of fire.

Annihilation or extinction is a false teaching that has crept into the church.
 

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When Jesus told us to not fear the first death but rather fear the second death does this apply to angels as well. If so, the lake of fire is the first death for angels so they shouldn't fear this death but rather be more apprehensive about it rather than fear it like we are for the first death. Just curious on your thoughts.
Hell RevelationMan!

The first death is obviously the death of this body. However, from the teaching of the event of the rich man and Lazarus, we know that the spirit departs the body and goes to its respective place. At the time of death for the faithful, their spirits depart and go immediately to be in the presence of Christ. For the wicked who die in their sins, their spirit departs and either goes automatically or are taken to Sheol/Hades to begin their punishment, where the will be resurrected and be judged at the great white throne judgment.

Since the first death has to do with the death of the body, then angels cannot experience the first death, for they are spirit. They will however experience the second death, for it was created for them and everyone who follows after them.


The second death is the final punishment of the unrighteous dead whose names do not appear in the book of life. Regarding everlasting fire (lake of fire), the angels have been fearing ever since they found out their fate. Sheol/Hades is just a temporary place of punishment for all of those who die in their sins. The lake of fire/everlasting fire and the second death, is the final place of punishment for both angels and humans.

Hope this is informative
 

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All of the scripture infer eternal existence. And that because they all use the words eternal fire or everlasting fire. The "everlasting" is in reference not only to the fire that is never quenched, but is in reference to those who are will be in it.

"Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

The eternal fire that is prepared for the devil and his angels, is the same place that the goats will be cast into and where they will suffer the same everlasting fire.

"And they (the wicked) will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Consider the verse above: the word aionios translated eternal, is defined as 'a cycle of time, an age or having no end' and is used for the destiny of both the righteous and the wicked. Therefore, whatever interpretation you use for one must be used for the other. To be clear, if one interprets aionios for the wicked to mean only a cycle of time, then it would mean that eternal life for the righteous must also infer a cycle of time. In other words, the same length of existence is used for both. The following scripture is speaking in regards to those who worship the beast and receive his mark:

"If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name."

In the scripture above, the adjective aionios is not used, but its noun 'aion' which aionios is derived from is used via the translated words 'for ever and ever.' There are also descriptive words used to describe the future eternal state of those who worship the beast, his image and receive his mark, which is that they will have 'no rest day or night.' The words 'no rest day or night' would infer that they must be existing in order to experience not having any rest or intermission from their torment. Below is an example of the word 'aion' defined as having no beginning or end:

"Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven. And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, There will be no more delay!

In the scripture above, the reference to 'Him who lives for ever and ever' is obviously in reference to God, which would mean that the use of the word 'aion' here must be interpreted as 'having no beginning or ending" eternal.

I hope that this is beneficial
Eternal life vs eternal Punishment...
Eternal fire....
First why its called eternal punishment/eternal fire..
the angels who sinned have eternal life...the power of death have no grip on them.
God prepared this eternal fire...to deal with eternal being..hence eternal punishment.
eternal fire, eternal punishment..eternal torment...is synonymous to each other because it is talking of the same place, where angels will be torment, punished in this lake of eternal fire.

Eternal life:
In the beginning God intended the man to live forever...in fact the tree of life is in the midst of the garden which God allowed them to eat everyfruit/herb in the garden except for the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Man eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, death came...
God drove away man in the garden to avoid eating the fruit of the tree of life preventing them to live forever.
Because of this every man die, good or evil.
However Christ died for us to give to those who believed the gift of eternal life... A new body that does not come from dust...
at his coming this earthly body will be changed to heavenly body/ glorified bodies that will not rot,

Unbelievers do not have eternal life, they do not have glorified bodies when God resurrect them.

Hence:
man die ( good and evil) - first death
Righteous/Christ believers - will be given eternal bodies inheriting-eternal life.
Wicked - will be given bodies at resurrection and will be cast in the (eternal punishment, eternal fire) - second death
Angel that sinned - into eternal punishment/ eternal fire...in their eternal life/punishment...

The torment of angels with wicked (mixed - you cannot separate their smoke)...will rise forever and ever...
 

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What you need to understand, is that I am not speaking off the cuff of my sleeve. This information comes from many years of studying these Biblical subjects. I use all of the related scriptures when I teach, which is who I came to my conclusions.
I think I've read this before in other topic, using this does not prove you are right...there are tv evangelists that are known to study for years, yet they differ in understanding (like pretrib vs post trib, trinity vs oneness, Christ Man vs Christ God) these topics were defended by both those who have years of study...so I suggest just response to any topic you are commenting without using your years of study, just proved by scriptures your maturity in His words.

Sin is sin! Whether someone lies or someone murders. And as king David proclaimed to God after he committed adultery and murder against Uriah, 'against you alone have I sinned.'

All of the unrighteous dead will be resurrected, their spirits coming out of Hades and will stand before God to be judged at the great white throne judgment which takes place after the millennial kingdom. The books of that contain all of their deeds in the flesh will be opened and they will be judged for every idle word they ever spoke. Anyone whose name does not appear in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. (Rev.20:11-15)

Regarding Matthew 18:34

"Then the master summoned him and declared, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave all your debt because you begged me. Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had on you?’ In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should repay all that he owed.

I am certain that you quoted this to show that by saying 'until he should repay all that he owed' as meaning that there will be an end to his payment. There isn't!

The only payment for sin is through the shed blood of Christ. When a person dies rejecting Christ, there is no more sacrifice for salvation. Since there is no blood for the payment of the those in the lake of fire, then their sentence is eternal. There's would be no way to obtain payment. The scripture above does not infer that there will be a time when the payment will be made in full. For the wages of sin is death (completely cut off, complete loss of well being, ruination." Therefore, the punishment for sin against the eternal God is eternal torment in the lake of fire.

Annihilation or extinction is a false teaching that has crept into the church.
Sin is Sin:
Biblical history even in the law of Moses, shows a different punishment for sin committed... Like stoning, Burning alive..payment..
like this one:
Deu 22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Deu 22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
God gave righteous judgement (justice, vengeance, mercy, forgiveness)
Wages of sin is death..
The beginning shows it...Adam sin..and thus death came...its the wage of sin.

Matthew 18
The servant owed 10,000 talents:


If the servant paid the king 10,000, talents. then he owed the king nothing.
However, the servant do not have something to pay the king beg and promise him to pay in full.
The king forgave him but the servant did not forgave others but demand payment.

Now, the King was angry and cast the servant to the tormentor to paid his debt due.

Christ paid the penalty of sin.
Those who do not have Christ will have to pay what is due to him.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

If the basis of judgement is just one sin...No for god to judge them according to their works.

I think the gravity of a person sin (according to their works) will also determine the long of his stay in the lake of fire... A fair and merciful judgement,
 

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For those interested you can find a bit of a study Here on this subject...
I hope you viewed the video in the OP.
the video shows body, soul and spirit.
the body to dust, the spirit whether be good or wicked (breath of life ) goes back to God. the soul of righteous at rest, the wicked in torment.
Your link shows that the spirit of wicked do not go back to God,
 

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Eternal life vs eternal Punishment...
Eternal fire....
First why its called eternal punishment/eternal fire..
Because "eternal" means exactly what it says, i.e. without end.

the angels who sinned have eternal life...the power of death have no grip on them.
Your claim above makes no sense. The reward for sin is death. The angels sinned and therefore will suffer the second death, which is the lake of fire. Regarding them, Jesus says that everlasting fire (the lake of fire) was prepared for those angels who sinned.

The only one that death had no power over was Jesus and that because He himself was not guilty of sin and therefore death was not able to hold him and He resurrected.

God prepared this eternal fire...to deal with eternal being.. hence eternal punishment.
eternal fire, eternal punishment..eternal torment...is synonymous to each other because it is talking of the same place, where angels will be torment, punished in this lake of eternal fire.
Every person who comes into the world will exist forever. Where they spend that existence is based on their status with God. At the great white throne judgment, the wicked will receive a resurrected body suitable for their eternal punishment in the lake of fire.

"The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done."

Notice that the scripture states that "Hades gave up the dead" which is referring to the releasing of the spirits of the unrighteous dead. Hades is the same place where the spirit of the rich man ended up after the death of his body. When the wicked die their spirits depart and go down into Sheol/Hades to begin their punishment. At the time of the great white throne judgment their bodies will be resurrected and their spirits released from Hades and they will go through God's legal process of judgment for their sins. After that they will be thrown into the lake of fire where they will suffer eternal torment in flame, which is the same place that the beast, the false prophet, Satan and his angels will be thrown into.

Eternal life:
In the beginning God intended the man to live forever...in fact the tree of life is in the midst of the garden which God allowed them to eat everyfruit/herb in the garden except for the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Man eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, death came...
God drove away man in the garden to avoid eating the fruit of the tree of life preventing them to live forever.
Because of this every man die, good or evil.
However Christ died for us to give to those who believed the gift of eternal life... A new body that does not come from dust...
at his coming this earthly body will be changed to heavenly body/ glorified bodies that will not rot,

Unbelievers do not have eternal life, they do not have glorified bodies when God resurrect them.
You are lumping the physical body in with the spirit. Man is made up of body, soul and spirit. Though the body dies, the spirit of every person exists forever. One's relationship with God, i.e. reconciled or unreconciled is what defines life and death.

Life = eternal conscious existence in the joy of the Lord in the kingdom of God

Death = eternal conscious existence in separation from God in torment in the lake of fire

Hence:
man die ( good and evil) - first death
Righteous/Christ believers - will be given eternal bodies inheriting-eternal life.
Wicked - will be given bodies at resurrection and will be cast in the (eternal punishment, eternal fire) - second death
Angel that sinned - into eternal punishment/ eternal fire...in their eternal life/punishment...

The torment of angels with wicked (mixed - you cannot separate their smoke)...will rise forever and ever...
Ask yourself this question: Why would God bother giving the wicked resurrected bodies, if they were just going to be immediately burned up? Also, you keep using the word "eternal" for both the angels and the wicked and rightly so, which means the same thing for both, which is unending punishment.
 

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I think I've read this before in other topic, using this does not prove you are right...there are tv evangelists that are known to study for years, yet they differ in understanding (like pretrib vs post trib, trinity vs oneness, Christ Man vs Christ God) these topics were defended by both those who have years of study...so I suggest just response to any topic you are commenting without using your years of study, just proved by scriptures your maturity in His words.



Sin is Sin:
Biblical history even in the law of Moses, shows a different punishment for sin committed... Like stoning, Burning alive..payment..
like this one:
Deu 22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Deu 22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
God gave righteous judgement (justice, vengeance, mercy, forgiveness)
Wages of sin is death..
The beginning shows it...Adam sin..and thus death came...its the wage of sin.

Matthew 18
The servant owed 10,000 talents:


If the servant paid the king 10,000, talents. then he owed the king nothing.
However, the servant do not have something to pay the king beg and promise him to pay in full.
The king forgave him but the servant did not forgave others but demand payment.

Now, the King was angry and cast the servant to the tormentor to paid his debt due.

Christ paid the penalty of sin.
Those who do not have Christ will have to pay what is due to him.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

If the basis of judgement is just one sin...No for god to judge them according to their works.

I think the gravity of a person sin (according to their works) will also determine the long of his stay in the lake of fire... A fair and merciful judgement,
Surely there will be different degrees of punishment. However, if a person even had one sin, they would still end up in the lake of fire. Just inside the door is bad enough. But what does this have to do with eternal punishment vs. annihilation? Below are the two words translated as destruction and punishment.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."

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Strong's Concordance
apóleia: destruction, loss
Original Word: ἀπώλεια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: apóleia
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-o'-li-a)
Definition: destruction, loss
Usage: destruction, ruin, loss, perishing; eternal ruin.

HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 684
apṓleia (from 622 /apóllymi, "cut off") – destruction, causing someone (something) to be completely severed – cut off (entirely) from what could or should have been. (Note the force of the prefix, apo.) See 622 (apollymi).

684 /apṓleia ("perdition") does not imply "annihilation" (see the meaning of the root-verb, 622 /apóllymi, "cut off") but instead "loss of well-being" rather than being (Vine's Expository Dictionary, 165; cf. Jn 11:50; Ac 5:37; 1 Cor 10:9-10; Jude 11).

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Notice in the definition that the word apoleia translated as destruction does not imply annihilation, which I have highlighted in red above. What the word does mean is to be completely cut off, loss of well being rather than well being. And as the scripture proclaims, many enter through that broad gate to be completely cut off and suffer eternal loss of well being.
 

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Because "eternal" means exactly what it says, i.e. without end.



Your claim above makes no sense. The reward for sin is death. The angels sinned and therefore will suffer the second death, which is the lake of fire. Regarding them, Jesus says that everlasting fire (the lake of fire) was prepared for those angels who sinned.

The only one that death had no power over was Jesus and that because He himself was not guilty of sin and therefore death was not able to hold him and He resurrected.



Every person who comes into the world will exist forever. Where they spend that existence is based on their status with God. At the great white throne judgment, the wicked will receive a resurrected body suitable for their eternal punishment in the lake of fire.

"The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done."

Notice that the scripture states that "Hades gave up the dead" which is referring to the releasing of the spirits of the unrighteous dead. Hades is the same place where the spirit of the rich man ended up after the death of his body. When the wicked die their spirits depart and go down into Sheol/Hades to begin their punishment. At the time of the great white throne judgment their bodies will be resurrected and their spirits released from Hades and they will go through God's legal process of judgment for their sins. After that they will be thrown into the lake of fire where they will suffer eternal torment in flame, which is the same place that the beast, the false prophet, Satan and his angels will be thrown into.



You are lumping the physical body in with the spirit. Man is made up of body, soul and spirit. Though the body dies, the spirit of every person exists forever. One's relationship with God, i.e. reconciled or unreconciled is what defines life and death.

Life = eternal conscious existence in the joy of the Lord in the kingdom of God

Death = eternal conscious existence in separation from God in torment in the lake of fire



Ask yourself this question: Why would God bother giving the wicked resurrected bodies, if they were just going to be immediately burned up? Also, you keep using the word "eternal" for both the angels and the wicked and rightly so, which means the same thing for both, which is unending punishment.
Can you at least define what you mean by eternal when you contradict that it is without end.
Sin and death...
Satan sinned, but did he die? When did he first died to qualified for the second death?

The wages of sin is death is true for man...but not a law for angels.

Jesus died...unless you do not believed he died...he died because his body was earthly flesh...
Heb 2:9 KJV But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

For every man... does that include angels?

Why God need to resurrect the wicked...
To face the Almighty Judge
God will judged them according to their works...to give them their sentence.

I madebit clear...
Eternal : angels, lake of fire...(eternal punishment)

Wicked will be sentence to lake of fire according to their works...
And maybe one or two deserve to be there for longer period than others.

Death is not separation from God...
Jesus died..