Law keeping?

[Tim416]

Yes, the core of the failed church is that they can take their sins to Christ and without repentance they will be forgiven, they need not accept Christ into their hearts and minds enough to affect their actions. Christian honesty and love cannot be depended on. To a Christian in today's church their lifestyle does not reflect God.

In the second example of the parable of the sower, People made a shallow commitment. They set out on the path but once trials and persecutions came they walked away. No osas for them obviously. But in the third example, though people kept getting sidetracked by worldly things, Jesus did not say they walked away, but rather they did not mature in the faith. You mature by practicing right from wrong.

That is an important thing for us to remember today. I do not believe those who make a full commitment to Christ will ever be lost, though they will suffer much in this life when they allow themselves to be sidetracked from the true path they should be on.
For those who have the law in their hearts, and weep many tears for their imperfectinos, hating them, I do not believe they will ever be lost.
Those who insinuate they fully obey the law, and insinuate you must attain to their level to inherit eternal life is another matter entirtely

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

TheDivineWatermark said: ^ 4so that the righteousness OF the Law should be fulfilled IN us [note: not BY us] not walking according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

Thank you you just proved me right, we do not fulfill th law by obeying the law in the flesh, we fulfill the law by walking according to the spirit, (also called the law of love, or seeking after the things of the spirit) which i have been saying over and over,

But hey, you want to follow the law, good luck, me i will focus on the spirit.

Are you addressing me (especially in the last sentence of your post)? Because I have not been making the point that it seems you are thinking I made.

My point is that "the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF the law is fulfilled IN us [not BY us] not walking according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit"... and that that in itself is different than saying "THE LAW is fulfilled..." rather "the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF the law..." and again, "IN us" not BY us.

Perhaps you may be confusing me with another poster (who is not making the points that I am, but the opposite)?? Just wondering...

But hey, you want to follow the law, good luck, me i will focus on the spirit.

I referred to "the law of the Spirit of LIFE... IN Christ Jesus" ... yeah

 

[Grandpa]

Well? The part of the body that fights the good fight! And, not just for self, contrary to what people may think. Having been "born from above", some 30+ years ago. After going through an "experience", that I can only describe as the Spirit of God (not to be confused with the gift of the Holy spirit either) coming into me, and informing me, to "get USED to it!" "Cuz, I ain't goin' nowheres!" In just those words too! Although, the Holy Spirit is with Him, this is more the "giver" of the gift of the Holy Spirit!
Unseen, but Grabbing me by the short hairs on the back of my neck, saying: "I see you've been trying "your" way!" "Now?!" "I'm going to show you "MY" way!" To which I hollered: "You're going to have to drag me kicking and fighting and scratching every inch of the way!" To which? He grinned, smiled and said: "GOOD!" "That's the way I likes 'em!" And? "I wouldn't want ya "any" other way!" Tis funny actually, how He used english, and in the same "style" of speaking I myself used. Said He didn't wanna scare me dead!

I have heard more then several "testimonies." But, have never heard one even close to mine.
Afterwards, I was "convicted" by the Holy Spirit several times. But, it wasn't like that first "event!"
There are things He told me, about things to come, but, the time isn't right yet. Elstwise, I would have said them already.
These posts I write, are just "testimonies" of this Spiritual journey I'm on.
It's like having Jesus and the Father inside my spirit, and heart, and soul, and mind, and, this "sack of sinful flesh." Dunno how to describe it any other way!
I mean, it's GREAT having Jesus in you. Tis much GREATER, having Jesus AND the God AND Father inside ya!
Which is why, when I see people posting about "OH!" "I've got it made!" "I've accepted Jesus, and I'm going to heaven!" I try telling them: "But, there's So MUCH MORE, you could have!" Right HERE! BEFORE you become plant food!

This is the SAME message Jesus strived in teaching the Jews. But, the Jews didn't want anything to do with it! As they "BELIEVED", they ALREADY "had it!"

And, this is the same reaction/s I get when telling people in here!

Being a priest of Jesus Christ, is like being pulled around in a wagon bound for heaven!
Being a priest of God? Is pulling yer OWN wagon! "But, that's "works = salvation" doctrine!" Or, so I've been told! Personally? I don't believe a word of it. Because, that's not what He's telling me.

So, Grandpa? I dunno what part of the "body" I am! I just know that I am! Somewheres, around the neck? I dunno!

Seems pretty obvious you would be the "ear".

Well? The part of the body that fights the good fight! And, not just for self, contrary to what people may think. Having been "born from above", some 30+ years ago. After going through an "experience", that I can only describe as the Spirit of God (not to be confused with the gift of the Holy spirit either) coming into me, and informing me, to "get USED to it!" "Cuz, I ain't goin' nowheres!" In just those words too! Although, the Holy Spirit is with Him, this is more the "giver" of the gift of the Holy Spirit!
Unseen, but Grabbing me by the short hairs on the back of my neck, saying: "I see you've been trying "your" way!" "Now?!" "I'm going to show you "MY" way!" To which I hollered: "You're going to have to drag me kicking and fighting and scratching every inch of the way!" To which? He grinned, smiled and said: "GOOD!" "That's the way I likes 'em!" And? "I wouldn't want ya "any" other way!" Tis funny actually, how He used english, and in the same "style" of speaking I myself used. Said He didn't wanna scare me dead!

I have heard more then several "testimonies." But, have never heard one even close to mine.
Afterwards, I was "convicted" by the Holy Spirit several times. But, it wasn't like that first "event!"
There are things He told me, about things to come, but, the time isn't right yet. Elstwise, I would have said them already.
These posts I write, are just "testimonies" of this Spiritual journey I'm on.
It's like having Jesus and the Father inside my spirit, and heart, and soul, and mind, and, this "sack of sinful flesh." Dunno how to describe it any other way!
I mean, it's GREAT having Jesus in you. Tis much GREATER, having Jesus AND the God AND Father inside ya!
Which is why, when I see people posting about "OH!" "I've got it made!" "I've accepted Jesus, and I'm going to heaven!" I try telling them: "But, there's So MUCH MORE, you could have!" Right HERE! BEFORE you become plant food!

This is the SAME message Jesus strived in teaching the Jews. But, the Jews didn't want anything to do with it! As they "BELIEVED", they ALREADY "had it!"

And, this is the same reaction/s I get when telling people in here!

Being a priest of Jesus Christ, is like being pulled around in a wagon bound for heaven!
Being a priest of God? Is pulling yer OWN wagon! "But, that's "works = salvation" doctrine!" Or, so I've been told! Personally? I don't believe a word of it. Because, that's not what He's telling me.

So, Grandpa? I dunno what part of the "body" I am! I just know that I am! Somewheres, around the neck? I dunno!

Maybe the eyes and the ears.

Not sure if you can be both.

But you sound kind of like me. Not sure where you belong. You'd know if you saw it. But you've never seen it. Not down here, anyway.

I remember the time when the Lord told me He wasn't a genie. It was kind of embarrassing. So I tried to look it up in the bible to see what it said about genies. I didn't find anything. But I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Lord is not a genie... lol

 

[Blik]

In the second example of the parable of the sower, People made a shallow commitment. They set out on the path but once trials and persecutions came they walked away. No osas for them obviously. But in the third example, though people kept getting sidetracked by worldly things, Jesus did not say they walked away, but rather they did not mature in the faith. You mature by practicing right from wrong.

That is an important thing for us to remember today. I do not believe those who make a full commitment to Christ will ever be lost, though they will suffer much in this life when they allow themselves to be sidetracked from the true path they should be on.
For those who have the law in their hearts, and weep many tears for their imperfectinos, hating them, I do not believe they will ever be lost.
Those who insinuate they fully obey the law, and insinuate you must attain to their level to inherit eternal life is another matter entirtely

Just who is this person who posts "I personally obey all the law"? You will need to name names and proof. We are discussing scripture, this is not a site for autobiography, anyway. People make posts insinuating that they believe in being lawless, but even then no one Is even posting that they purposely disobey law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are you addressing me (especially in the last sentence of your post)? Because I have not been making the point that it seems you are thinking I made.

My point is that "the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF the law is fulfilled IN us [not BY us] not walking according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit"... and that that in itself is different than saying "THE LAW is fulfilled..." rather "the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF the law..." and again, "IN us" not BY us.

Perhaps you may be confusing me with another poster (who is not making the points that I am, but the opposite)?? Just wondering...



I referred to "the law of the Spirit of LIFE... IN Christ Jesus" ... yeah

Sorry i got you confused with someone else, please Forgive me

 

[Tim416]

Just who is this person who posts "I personally obey all the law"? You will need to name names and proof. We are discussing scripture, this is not a site for autobiography, anyway. People make posts insinuating that they believe in being lawless, but even then no one Is even posting that they purposely disobey law.

I wasn't thinking of anyone on this site. But on another site I have been on, some from one particular denomination do like to suggest they fully obey the law
Hopefully those who like to insinuate they believe in being lawless as you put it, are a bit overexuberant in their desire to tell you they live under grace not law. But it is dangerous to insinuate what you suggest is being insinuated. Of course, it may depend on which law exactly you are referring to. Some Christians believe all of torah must be followed!

 

[NayborBear]

Seems pretty obvious you would be the "ear".

Maybe the eyes and the ears.

Not sure if you can be both.

But you sound kind of like me. Not sure where you belong. You'd know if you saw it. But you've never seen it. Not down here, anyway.

I remember the time when the Lord told me He wasn't a genie. It was kind of embarrassing. So I tried to look it up in the bible to see what it said about genies. I didn't find anything. But I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Lord is not a genie... lol

So much to say. I could give a run down concerning all my days here on terra firma, in "hindsight" now, how "the Father" gave me up to persecution, from "the world", even my entire family, (Ma n Pa, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.), with "smart as a whip" (quick study) intelligence, yet, during this same time, without the ability of conforming TO "the world!"
This was very frustrating to the entire family, and manifest itself in "Intimidtating manners" of emotional and spiritual abuse, (especially from Dad) that crushed my heart and spirit! Not saying they didn't love me, nor was there no love. But, the "cuts" were so deep, and repeated, the love that there was? Couldn't, or didn't penetrate through the scarring. ALONE in the world, I was! Hopeless, and helpless, in every attempt of trying to "live up" to what was "expected" of one being of such smarts! This "started" around the time I started school. 5 years old! "You can do better!" They said! "Why can't you apply yourself?" They asked, and demanded! I couldn't tell 'em: "Because I can't/WON'T, CURSE God, and die!" Cause at the time? I had NO CLUE, what was, or even WHY this was happening! Only that I couldn't perform to the expectations expected of, or from me, from a "walking, talking hero, from a previous earth/heaven age!"

"We best get this boy "baptised!" Said Dad! Being the Christian parents that they were. So, at 13? At the bequest of Dad, as Gramma (Dad's Mom) was coming to visit, on her birthday (which is the same as mine), and go to see the "cubbies" play! (which marked her as a traitor, living amongst die hard cardinal country), and, as a means of Dad kinda "showing off?" I was baptised! Thus, fulfilling the requirement of the New covenant. Which I also didn't understand! But did, in the honoring of Dad's wishes. (as from one, being from a place where there was no covenant NEEDED, between God, and His children).

I was "all in" for going to church, 3 times a week (Wed. night Bible study), not to mention Vacation Bible School in the summer. I was even 2nd soprano, in the youth choir, Until? (tmi ). That is, until I started seeing the "worldlyness" of Christ's Church. At which time, I became increasingly reluctant in going. So? When Ma n Pa said I was now "old enough" (around 16 er 17) in deciding for myself, in going to church? Any church? I ran! Not walked away from church!

RIGHT SMACK-DAB, INTO THE WORLD! One might say, I was "looking for love, in all the wrong places!" "Looking for love, in too many faces!" (oughta be a song, eh? ) "Taking every wrong direction, on his lonely way back home!" (oughta be another song, eh?)
"I grew up quick, and I grew up mean!" "My fists got hard, and my wits got keen!" "I roamed from town to town, to hide my shame!" "Made me a vow, to the moon and the stars, that I'd search those honky tonks, n bars, and kill that one that gimme this awful name!" (songs that trace my life's story, it seems)

This all came to a screeching halt, some 30+ years ago. (you can see my reply to "Grandpa", in post #115, of this very thread)

These "works for salvation", and "legalism?" Is NOT "that" at all! What it IS, however? Is the "war" I'm fighting against "satan", in "pushing the envelope", on levels that cause many christians to be "uncomfortable" with. Because, I "STILL Can't/WON'T!" "CURSE God, and die!!" In forcing the "Spiritual man", into CRUCIFYING the "old man", TO THE POINT, of "FORCING", satan's HAND, so to speak, into "Playing his cards", before he's ready to!

So? Should one be under the assumption, that God CAN'T, or WON'T, "DESTROY" this age, BEFORE He sends His Christ back? Making this WHOLE timeline, like it never was?
Seems the people in the "Days of Noah", were under that SAME "assumption!"

"To HIM who reigns from everlasting to everlasting, be ALL Honor, and Glory, FOREVER, and Ever!"
Amen, and AMEN!

 

[Grandpa]

So much to say. I could give a run down concerning all my days here on terra firma, in "hindsight" now, how "the Father" gave me up to persecution, from "the world", even my entire family, (Ma n Pa, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc.), with "smart as a whip" (quick study) intelligence, yet, during this same time, without the ability of conforming TO "the world!"
This was very frustrating to the entire family, and manifest itself in "Intimidtating manners" of emotional and spiritual abuse, (especially from Dad) that crushed my heart and spirit! Not saying they didn't love me, nor was there no love. But, the "cuts" were so deep, and repeated, the love that there was? Couldn't, or didn't penetrate through the scarring. ALONE in the world, I was! Hopeless, and helpless, in every attempt of trying to "live up" to what was "expected" of one being of such smarts! This "started" around the time I started school. 5 years old! "You can do better!" They said! "Why can't you apply yourself?" They asked, and demanded! I couldn't tell 'em: "Because I can't/WON'T, CURSE God, and die!" Cause at the time? I had NO CLUE, what was, or even WHY this was happening! Only that I couldn't perform to the expectations expected of, or from me, from a "walking, talking hero, from a previous earth/heaven age!"

"We best get this boy "baptised!" Said Dad! Being the Christian parents that they were. So, at 13? At the bequest of Dad, as Gramma (Dad's Mom) was coming to visit, on her birthday (which is the same as mine), and go to see the "cubbies" play! (which marked her as a traitor, living amongst die hard cardinal country), and, as a means of Dad kinda "showing off?" I was baptised! Thus, fulfilling the requirement of the New covenant. Which I also didn't understand! But did, in the honoring of Dad's wishes. (as from one, being from a place where there was no covenant NEEDED, between God, and His children).

I was "all in" for going to church, 3 times a week (Wed. night Bible study), not to mention Vacation Bible School in the summer. I was even 2nd soprano, in the youth choir, Until? (tmi ). That is, until I started seeing the "worldlyness" of Christ's Church. At which time, I became increasingly reluctant in going. So? When Ma n Pa said I was now "old enough" (around 16 er 17) in deciding for myself, in going to church? Any church? I ran! Not walked away from church!

RIGHT SMACK-DAB, INTO THE WORLD! One might say, I was "looking for love, in all the wrong places!" "Looking for love, in too many faces!" (oughta be a song, eh? ) "Taking every wrong direction, on his lonely way back home!" (oughta be another song, eh?)
"I grew up quick, and I grew up mean!" "My fists got hard, and my wits got keen!" "I roamed from town to town, to hide my shame!" "Made me a vow, to the moon and the stars, that I'd search those honky tonks, n bars, and kill that one that gimme this awful name!" (songs that trace my life's story, it seems)

This all came to a screeching halt, some 30+ years ago. (you can see my reply to "Grandpa", in post #115, of this very thread)

These "works for salvation", and "legalism?" Is NOT "that" at all! What it IS, however? Is the "war" I'm fighting against "satan", in "pushing the envelope", on levels that cause many christians to be "uncomfortable" with. Because, I "STILL Can't/WON'T!" "CURSE God, and die!!" In forcing the "Spiritual man", into CRUCIFYING the "old man", TO THE POINT, of "FORCING", satan's HAND, so to speak, into "Playing his cards", before he's ready to!

So? Should one be under the assumption, that God CAN'T, or WON'T, "DESTROY" this age, BEFORE He sends His Christ back? Making this WHOLE timeline, like it never was?
Seems the people in the "Days of Noah", were under that SAME "assumption!"

"To HIM who reigns from everlasting to everlasting, be ALL Honor, and Glory, FOREVER, and Ever!"
Amen, and AMEN!

My dad tried to raise me as an atheist. But it didn't take. I guess you could say I'm a rebel... lol

I memorized the 23rd Psalm at vacation bible school (free babysitting) when I was 9 and it pretty much stuck with me. Gods Word does not return void...

Whenever I tried to talk to my dad about God he would get mad. He was furious when I spent the weekend at a friends house and came back and told him I was a born again Christian. I was so happy. For about 15 seconds...

And so I wandered in the world. Making excuses in my head about how I was really obeying the 10 commandments even though it wasn't even close to real obedience.

And then God grabbed me and shook all the things out of my life that didn't Glorify Him. This was pretty terrifying if I have to be honest. But I felt the closest I have ever felt to God during this time.

Not that I don't feel close to God now. It was just different. Like a honeymoon kind of, if a honeymoon can scare you and make you think maybe you went a little bit crazy... But that is insincere. I know I wasn't crazy even though lots of people probably would have thought differently.

 

[JaumeJ]

No one can harm us more than those whom we believe ought to love us and value all………..

 

[NayborBear]

My dad tried to raise me as an atheist. But it didn't take. I guess you could say I'm a rebel... lol

I memorized the 23rd Psalm at vacation bible school (free babysitting) when I was 9 and it pretty much stuck with me. Gods Word does not return void...

Whenever I tried to talk to my dad about God he would get mad. He was furious when I spent the weekend at a friends house and came back and told him I was a born again Christian. I was so happy. For about 15 seconds...

And so I wandered in the world. Making excuses in my head about how I was really obeying the 10 commandments even though it wasn't even close to real obedience.

And then God grabbed me and shook all the things out of my life that didn't Glorify Him. This was pretty terrifying if I have to be honest. But I felt the closest I have ever felt to God during this time.

Not that I don't feel close to God now. It was just different. Like a honeymoon kind of, if a honeymoon can scare you and make you think maybe you went a little bit crazy... But that is insincere. I know I wasn't crazy even though lots of people probably would have thought differently.

It wasn't that God "took me n shook me", so much, as that I was filled with such a love, at first with gladness, happiness, then a euphoria, which had me straining...."TMI" () And, then? I stared getting scared! It was more like the wicked witch of the west, after Dorothy doused her with that bucket of water! I "melted!" Not like ice melting though. More thicker, and with more substance then that! I still refer to it as a "blob of protoplasm" ALL OVER THE FLOOR! With nothing protruding, save my beating heart, and me and He, IN my heart!
With Him "telling me?" Like He told you! "My WORD?" "DOESN'T come back to ME.....VOID!"

Also? "EVERYTHING you LEARNED in Church?" "IS WRONG!"

Yanno? Recalling this, still brings tears of joy and thankfulness, and happiness, and, an humbleness, to these 66 year old eyes! To an "event" that happened 30+ years ago!

God bless You, Grandpa, for bringing back to "remembrance" this "event", that Forever changed "my" life. And, shall never forget!

 

[NayborBear]

No one can harm us more than those whom we believe ought to love us and value all………..

...and has caused me trust issues, TO THIS DAY! Especially, when it comes to love! And, more especially

"christian" love! As I'm just waiting for their "bad influences", and mis-interprtations, and mis-guidances, to

hit me, at a man's most weakest and vulnerable point! And? It happens! EVERY time!

Reckon, God didn't mold me, or "wire" me for love!

He molded me to be a Man of war! FOR Him!

From what I hear? He didn't throw that template away, either!

So? Watch OUT satan! There's MORE from where I came from!

And, you ARE going into "the pit!"

To bring Honor and Glory to the Kingdom of God, AND, His Holy Anointed One, Christ!

 

[Blik]

I wasn't thinking of anyone on this site. But on another site I have been on, some from one particular denomination do like to suggest they fully obey the law
Hopefully those who like to insinuate they believe in being lawless as you put it, are a bit overexuberant in their desire to tell you they live under grace not law. But it is dangerous to insinuate what you suggest is being insinuated. Of course, it may depend on which law exactly you are referring to. Some Christians believe all of torah must be followed!

I don't understand how people who say they are Christian, who accept Christ as their Savior and do their best to follow as Christ taught are so ridiculed and taunted. There can be no posting of living a Christian life, it is ALWAYS changed to a misunderstanding about salvation. Any living for Christ is changed into bragging about personal perfection.

The Jews have been blinded to Christ, but I am beginning to think that the people who know Christ are blinded to Christian living.

 

[gb9]

I don't understand how people who say they are Christian, who accept Christ as their Savior and do their best to follow as Christ taught are so ridiculed and taunted. There can be no posting of living a Christian life, it is ALWAYS changed to a misunderstanding about salvation. Any living for Christ is changed into bragging about personal perfection.

The Jews have been blinded to Christ, but I am beginning to think that the people who know Christ are blinded to Christian living.

" Christian living ' is described in the N.T.

jewish living is described in the O.T.

we ( Christians ) believe in Christ and trust Him for salvation.

Jewish people depend on the Sabbath and the Law of Moses.

big difference.

 

[Tim416]

I don't understand how people who say they are Christian, who accept Christ as their Savior and do their best to follow as Christ taught are so ridiculed and taunted. There can be no posting of living a Christian life, it is ALWAYS changed to a misunderstanding about salvation. Any living for Christ is changed into bragging about personal perfection.

The Jews have been blinded to Christ, but I am beginning to think that the people who know Christ are blinded to Christian living.

I do have some sympathy for you. If people are going to be ridiculed and taunted for giving their views on Christian living, many will leave the site, then stimulating debate suffers and the standard of debate drops. It does seem to me, there is a competition here, among some to see who can go the greatest extreme where 'grace' is concerned. There is a site christianforums.com where, on the whole people are not as you have described. There is not so much immaturity there

 

[jaybird88]

Hebrews 9:27
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

why does Paul think there is a judgment after this life? if the law has been done away with there should be nothing to be judged for.

 

[Blik]

" Christian living ' is described in the N.T.

jewish living is described in the O.T.

we ( Christians ) believe in Christ and trust Him for salvation.

Jewish people depend on the Sabbath and the Law of Moses.

big difference.

This is unbelievable!! The Jews are ignorant of grace and manage to think the SABBATH saves them!! About a third of the NT quotes the OT, should we rewrite the NT to get rid of those quotes because they teach Jewishness?

At least you know of Christ!!

 

[gb9]

This is unbelievable!! The Jews are ignorant of grace and manage to think the SABBATH saves them!! About a third of the NT quotes the OT, should we rewrite the NT to get rid of those quotes because they teach Jewishness?

At least you know of Christ!!

Christians believe in and trust Jesus for salvation.

the Sermon on the Mount is our set of instruction.

Sinai was for the jews. only.

I have already quoted Leviticus 26 , where God the Father spoke of the Covenant He made with the fathers of the jews who came out of Egypt.

so, once again, if you cannot trace your ancestry to those who crossed the red sea, then that covenant was not made with you.

 

[gb9]

and just to be clear- I have nothing against the Old Testament. I am currently reading through it now.

it is mostly about Israel.

the N.T. for the world.

Israel was instructed not to make any agreements with the nations around.

Jesus SENT the disciples into the nations with the Gospel.

 

[jaybird88]

and just to be clear- I have nothing against the Old Testament. I am currently reading through it now.

it is mostly about Israel.

the N.T. for the world.

Israel was instructed not to make any agreements with the nations around.

Jesus SENT the disciples into the nations with the Gospel.

Isaiah 56:7

Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

all nations were always welcome. its not a new religion.

 

[TMS]

Christians believe in and trust Jesus for salvation.

the Sermon on the Mount is our set of instruction.

Sinai was for the jews. only.

I have already quoted Leviticus 26 , where God the Father spoke of the Covenant He made with the fathers of the jews who came out of Egypt.

so, once again, if you cannot trace your ancestry to those who crossed the red sea, then that covenant was not made with you.

you say "Sermon on the Mount is our set of instruction."
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
In this sermon Jesus plainly stated that the law was not to pass till all be fulfilled or till heaven and earth pass.
Heaven and Earth have not passed so not one jot or tittle is to be changed.

words of Christ
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

the New covenant.
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The new covenant seems to only be for the Jews. So new and old, unless your of the seed of Abraham you can't be part of it, if your logic is followed.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.