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And i have answered it multiple times, even in this very answer, you refusing to see it is on yourself, you want to play games, play them with someone else.
But for one last time
1. In my experience, yes i was
2. Plus i had the chastening of God
3. Why was i conscious of my sin? Because i served self, i did not put the needs of the others above my own needs,
But for one last time
1. In my experience, yes i was
2. Plus i had the chastening of God
3. Why was i conscious of my sin? Because i served self, i did not put the needs of the others above my own needs,
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Wrong
Thats what you fail to understand, the letter of the law can just show me certain sins, proving i am a sinner, because every one of us has broken at least one of those cammands.
Its why the pharisees thought they kept the law. (They kept the letter) and why jesus showed the weekness of the law by showing how the letter says this, but i tell you if you do this ( not referenced by the law) you have sinned.
We need to walk away from the law of moses and start following the law of christ. The law of moses can not help you overcome sin, that was not its purpose,
Thats what you fail to understand, the letter of the law can just show me certain sins, proving i am a sinner, because every one of us has broken at least one of those cammands.
Its why the pharisees thought they kept the law. (They kept the letter) and why jesus showed the weekness of the law by showing how the letter says this, but i tell you if you do this ( not referenced by the law) you have sinned.
We need to walk away from the law of moses and start following the law of christ. The law of moses can not help you overcome sin, that was not its purpose,
Both can be sourses of pride rather that faith.
I see that differently . Its not two ways but one. No separating works from faith. No different than separating the spirit essence of life from the life less spiritless flesh. Something is dead?
One work of Christ's faith as a three day labor of Love . Can't separate the reward of the work, "grace", from the gift of grace that he freely gives to us by faith (believing God) . I think their works means they have been given the imputed righteousness spoke on in James, freely given to Abraham and Rahab. We are given the privilege to workout the work required of us as God works in us with us to both will and do His good pleasure .
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.James 2:
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This has been settled now in the thread Does God want us to choose between law and grace? Page 22. I asked you, if a believer commited adultery, coveted, or murdered, would they be conscious of sin by doing so, you responded yes,
Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
For
Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4
Therefore, three of the ten commandments, according to your admission and bible facts have not been abolished. Neither have six of the others as written
Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
For
Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4
Therefore, three of the ten commandments, according to your admission and bible facts have not been abolished. Neither have six of the others as written
Romans 7 [blb] -
1 Or are you ignorant brothers (for I speak to those knowing the law), that the law rules over the man for as long as the time he is alive? 2 For the married woman is bound by law to the living husband; but if the husband should die, she is cleared from the law of the husband. 3 So then, if she is to another man, the husband being alive, she will be called an adulteress; but if the husband should die, she is free from the law, so as for her not to be an adulteress, having been to another man.
4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have been put to death to the Law through [by means of] the body of Christ, for you to belong to another, to the One having been raised out from the dead, so that we should bear fruit to God.
1 Or are you ignorant brothers (for I speak to those knowing the law), that the law rules over the man for as long as the time he is alive? 2 For the married woman is bound by law to the living husband; but if the husband should die, she is cleared from the law of the husband. 3 So then, if she is to another man, the husband being alive, she will be called an adulteress; but if the husband should die, she is free from the law, so as for her not to be an adulteress, having been to another man.
4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have been put to death to the Law through [by means of] the body of Christ, for you to belong to another, to the One having been raised out from the dead, so that we should bear fruit to God.
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verses 13 through 8:4:
13 Has that which is good then become death to me? Never may it be! But in order that sin might be shown to be sin, it is working out death through that which is good to me, so that through the commandment sin might become sinful beyond excess.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I am fleshly, having been sold under sin. 15 For what I do, I do not understand. For what I want, this I do not do; but what I hate, this I do. 16 Now if that which I do not want, this I do, I consent to the Law, that it is good. 17 And in that case I am no longer doing it, but the sin dwelling in me.
18 For I know that there dwells in me nothing good, that is, in my flesh. For to will is present with me, but not to do good. 19 For the good that I desire, I do not do; but the evil that I do not want, this I practice. 20 Now if what I do not want, I do this, it is no longer I who do it, but sin dwelling in me.
21 So I find the principle in my desiring to do good, that evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the Law of God according to the inward man; 23 but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and making me captive to the law of sin being in my members. 24 O wretched man I am! Who will deliver me out of this body of death? 25 Thanks be then to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself indeed with my mind serve God’s Law; but with the flesh, the Law of sin.
8: 1 Therefore there is now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus. 2 For the Law of the Spirit of LIFE has set you free IN Christ Jesus from the Law of sin and death. 3 For of the Law being powerless in that it was weak through the flesh, God, having sent His Son in likeness of sin of flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the righteousness OF the Law should be fulfilled IN us [note: not BY us] not walking according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
verses 13 through 8:4:
13 Has that which is good then become death to me? Never may it be! But in order that sin might be shown to be sin, it is working out death through that which is good to me, so that through the commandment sin might become sinful beyond excess.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I am fleshly, having been sold under sin. 15 For what I do, I do not understand. For what I want, this I do not do; but what I hate, this I do. 16 Now if that which I do not want, this I do, I consent to the Law, that it is good. 17 And in that case I am no longer doing it, but the sin dwelling in me.
18 For I know that there dwells in me nothing good, that is, in my flesh. For to will is present with me, but not to do good. 19 For the good that I desire, I do not do; but the evil that I do not want, this I practice. 20 Now if what I do not want, I do this, it is no longer I who do it, but sin dwelling in me.
21 So I find the principle in my desiring to do good, that evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the Law of God according to the inward man; 23 but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and making me captive to the law of sin being in my members. 24 O wretched man I am! Who will deliver me out of this body of death? 25 Thanks be then to God, through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself indeed with my mind serve God’s Law; but with the flesh, the Law of sin.
8: 1 Therefore there is now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus. 2 For the Law of the Spirit of LIFE has set you free IN Christ Jesus from the Law of sin and death. 3 For of the Law being powerless in that it was weak through the flesh, God, having sent His Son in likeness of sin of flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the righteousness OF the Law should be fulfilled IN us [note: not BY us] not walking according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
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I have nothing to be puffed up about, what do any of us know that God does not show us?
I know how hard this is for you, but when I asked you if Christians are conscious of sin if they committed adultery, murdered, or coveted, you replied yes. Incidentally, all Christians know the answer is yes, but many appear not to realise what that entails
I know how hard this is for you, but when I asked you if Christians are conscious of sin if they committed adultery, murdered, or coveted, you replied yes. Incidentally, all Christians know the answer is yes, but many appear not to realise what that entails