John 3 and Water Baptism in the Ministry of Jesus Christ
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You are quite wrong. Many of us do not act upon what we believe.
And this inaction does not constitute unbelief. This is a ongoing error in your thinking.
Peter did not believe that dropping the nets would do much but he did it anyway.
Luke 5:4-5
When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch.”
Simon answered, “Master, we’ve worked hard all night and haven’t caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the nets.”
And this inaction does not constitute unbelief. This is a ongoing error in your thinking.
Peter did not believe that dropping the nets would do much but he did it anyway.
Luke 5:4-5
When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch.”
Simon answered, “Master, we’ve worked hard all night and haven’t caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the nets.”
Forgiveness for sin was accomplished on the cross. It's been a done deal for over 2000 years, and as good as done since God announced His intention in Genesis 3. You just happened to find out the day you heard the gospel and believed. For you, baptism just let everyone else know that it was true for you. God knew all along and provided it through the cross in advance.
Foster? Produce?
Are you simply talking out of both sides of your mouth?
John 2:23-25
New International Version
Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name. But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.
Acts 9:40-42
New International Version
Peter sent them all out of the room; then he got down on his knees and prayed. Turning toward the dead woman, he said, “Tabitha, get up.” She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter she sat up. He took her by the hand and helped her to her feet. Then he called for the believers, especially the widows, and presented her to them alive. This became known all over Joppa, and many people believed in the Lord.
You are playing word games.
You do not know the Bible as well as you think you do.
Are you simply talking out of both sides of your mouth?
John 2:23-25
New International Version
Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name. But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.
Acts 9:40-42
New International Version
Peter sent them all out of the room; then he got down on his knees and prayed. Turning toward the dead woman, he said, “Tabitha, get up.” She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter she sat up. He took her by the hand and helped her to her feet. Then he called for the believers, especially the widows, and presented her to them alive. This became known all over Joppa, and many people believed in the Lord.
You are playing word games.
You do not know the Bible as well as you think you do.
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Numerous passages of scripture say otherwise. (Luke 8:12; John 1:12; 3;15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6;29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43-47; 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 4:5-6; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; 1 John 5:13 etc..).
Belief without repentance is an oxymoron. (Matthew 21:32; Mark 1:15) Now in regard to baptism:
Luke 24:47 - and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Faith already implied or assumed. Where you have one you must have the other. Two sides to the same coin. What happened to baptism?
Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. Faith already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism?
Acts 5:31 - Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. Faith already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism?
Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. Repentance already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism?
Acts 11:17, 18 - If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life. What happened to baptism?
Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. Repentance already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism?
Acts 15:7-9 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Repentance already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism?
Acts 16:31 - So, they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Repentance already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism?
Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. Where you have one you must have the other. Two sides to the same coin.
Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. Repentance already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
Belief without repentance is an oxymoron. (Matthew 21:32; Mark 1:15) Now in regard to baptism:
Luke 24:47 - and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Faith already implied or assumed. Where you have one you must have the other. Two sides to the same coin. What happened to baptism?
Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. Faith already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism?
Acts 5:31 - Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. Faith already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism?
Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. Repentance already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism?
Acts 11:17, 18 - If therefore God gave them the same gift as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life. What happened to baptism?
Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. Repentance already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism?
Acts 15:7-9 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Repentance already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism?
Acts 16:31 - So, they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Repentance already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism?
Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. Where you have one you must have the other. Two sides to the same coin.
Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. Repentance already implied or assumed. What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
31 verses!
You are attempting to defend faith alone regeneration theology with 31 general verses on faith???
Why?
Must we assume or shoehorn a grammatical definite into every one of your verses?
Can you not defend your theology without surmising so very much?
Can you not simply present even one verse that states what you believe without assuming the very heart of your theology?
If not, you may want to rethink your theology.
Also, what you are calling hermeneutics is simply implied logic. It is not unto itself wrong but not hermeneutics.
BTW, I am not the one shoehorning "baptism" into these verses but you are certainly attempting to shoehorn "alone".
You are attempting to defend faith alone regeneration theology with 31 general verses on faith???
Why?
Must we assume or shoehorn a grammatical definite into every one of your verses?
Can you not defend your theology without surmising so very much?
Can you not simply present even one verse that states what you believe without assuming the very heart of your theology?
If not, you may want to rethink your theology.
Also, what you are calling hermeneutics is simply implied logic. It is not unto itself wrong but not hermeneutics.
BTW, I am not the one shoehorning "baptism" into these verses but you are certainly attempting to shoehorn "alone".
There is nothing for me to rethink. Those numerous passages of scripture make it clear that man is saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications" and you don't need to add the word "alone" next to belief/faith in each of these passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words belief/faith "stand alone" in connection with receiving eternal life. So, then it's salvation through belief/faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone. We are saved the moment that we place our faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. You are trying to "shoehorn" baptism into salvation through belief/faith but the shoe does not fit.
"apart from additions or modifications"... This is what you are shoehorning into every verse you read.
You are blind to this because of your faith alone regeneration theology.
I doubt you use this reasoning in your everyday life.
The verses that you present are general in nature hence your need to "(rightly understand)" them.
Your "rightly understood" is simply to add a grammatical definitive, changing the general statement into a all-encompassing panacea that it is not meant to be.
I make no claim to surmise baptism into any of your 31 verses. I have no need to.
Anyone can see who is doing the shoehorning here.
It is you.
You are blind to this because of your faith alone regeneration theology.
I doubt you use this reasoning in your everyday life.
The verses that you present are general in nature hence your need to "(rightly understand)" them.
Your "rightly understood" is simply to add a grammatical definitive, changing the general statement into a all-encompassing panacea that it is not meant to be.
I make no claim to surmise baptism into any of your 31 verses. I have no need to.
Anyone can see who is doing the shoehorning here.
It is you.