Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.

[FriendlyTalk]

According to the Bible, Jesus' second coming was in 70 A.D. Here is a few Scriptures in support of this:

Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Matt 24: 30-31, "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. " This is the Olivet Discourse and in verse 34 it says "ALL these things will come upon this generation" Not some things but ALL these signs will come upon this generation.

Matt 10: 23, "17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

I have many more Scriptures I can provide if anyone is interested in discussing this. God bless.

2 Timothy 2:1-26 Par ▾
Grace and Perseverance
(Hebrews 12:1-3)

1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. 3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. 4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. 5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully. 6 The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits. 7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound. 10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

The Lord's Approved Workman

14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will."

 

[Roku23]

I have some questions I wonder if you can answer.
1. Who is JESUS?
2. What happened with the final judgement? - from Revelation 20?

I would respond but since you took the time to "Red X" at least 20 of my statements in this thread already, I am pretty sure you are not open to real dialogue. Nevertheless, God bless.

 

[SIMON55]

You are referring to Zech 12: 10-14. That was in 70 A.D. during His second coming. Here are the verses:

Zech 12: 10-14, "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for hisonly son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. 11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of [c]Megiddo. 12 And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; 13 the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; 14 all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.

What does Matt 24: 30 say? Matt 24: 30, "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The tribes mourned at His second coming in 70 A.D. His elect were saved out of the city and the rest were killed. About 1 million Jews died in the judgment.

Matt 24: 21-22, " For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

Some were spared in the siege of Jerusalem. The elect.

Rev 1: 7, "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

The Greek word translated earth can equally be translated as land. It is the land of Israel. All the tribes of the land of Israel.

All of this happened in 70 A.D. at His second coming.

Uh......well then if you believe all that occurred then even giving you all that your bucket is still full of holes and doesnt hold water....
Because NERO has to be your Antichrist LITTLE HORN BEAST of Daniel 7:25 and you never get to mix your IRON AND CLAY which are the feet and toes of Daniels statue.
Plus......NUMBERS 14
EZEKIEL 3 I THINK.....
" a day unto the Lord is a year unto man " ....wandering in the desert 40 yr and laying on your side in sack cloth.
Therefore....Daniel is 1260 yrs until the Antichrist Little Horn Beast empire-Kingdom's Head-The Pope is temporarily removed from power.....1798.....1260 yrs
Justinian Decree-538-1798 Pope head by Napoleon.
So....NERO can not live 1260 yrs.....
Then next you have to explain who your Second beast that comes up out of the land is.......I would point out to you , your Jesuit Priest authored Catholocism diversionary propoganda that didn't appear till oh say 1500
roughly....does not provide
FIRST BEAST EMPIRE IDENTIFICATION OR SECOND BEAST IDENTIFICATION.
FURTHERMORE.......
It does not Identify the Mark of the Beast.....and it would by your false claim have to be Nero's Mark.....
Nero would have to stand in the holy place and Blaspheme God also and THINK to change the law and the times and seasons and festivals.....and he would have to declare himself God and claim the power to forgive sin.
THIS IS THE REQUIREMENT OF DANIEL.....He also has to wage war on the saints and ALMOST wear them out.
( SORRY DANIEL ISNT REFERENCING JEWISH SAINTS THEY ARE GENTILES-PROTESTANTS )
Burned at the stake by the RCC CATHOLIC SATANISTS !!!
So......
On top of all that....
None of your Characters matching their required Characteristics....
You then have to declare John's Revelation book non canonical.....or fraudulent
for which it states the penalty therefore is DEATH....
Or you have to corrupt its intended meanings which the penalty therefore is DEATH.
So.....in reality both of us are treading on thin ice here.
If either of us add to or take from REVELATION we could be blotted out of the......
LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE....
SO......you fool around with Catholic mumbo jumbo all you like.......but .....
I'm PUTTING MY $$$$
On .....PROTESTANT HISTORICAL PROPHETICAL INTERPRETATION.....
They sacrificed their own lives for it......and had no $
to gain for it.....
SO I'm betting your race Horse doesn't make it to the finish line and gets side tracked into the LOF...in my IMHO....RCC IS ANTICHRIST.

 

[FriendlyTalk]

I would respond but since you took the time to "Red X" at least 20 of my statements in this thread already, I am pretty sure you are not open to real dialogue. Nevertheless, God bless.

Hello Roku23.

I am open to dialogue.

I am X-ing you because you can shipwreck the faith of some,
and that red X will make them aware of it, - or at least make the reader proceed with caution, (why has it been X-ed??)
it is meant as a warning to other believers, and nothing against you personally.

God tells us not to believe every Spirit, but to test them.
Now that I have explained, would you like to answer the questions I asked?

 

[SIMON55]

You are referring to Zech 12: 10-14. That was in 70 A.D. during His second coming. Here are the verses:

Zech 12: 10-14, "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for hisonly son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. 11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of [c]Megiddo. 12 And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves; 13 the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves; 14 all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.

What does Matt 24: 30 say? Matt 24: 30, "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The tribes mourned at His second coming in 70 A.D. His elect were saved out of the city and the rest were killed. About 1 million Jews died in the judgment.

Matt 24: 21-22, " For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

Some were spared in the siege of Jerusalem. The elect.

Rev 1: 7, "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

The Greek word translated earth can equally be translated as land. It is the land of Israel. All the tribes of the land of Israel.

All of this happened in 70 A.D. at His second coming.

While your explaining Zechariah 12......go ahead and take your shot at 14....

 

[Roku23]

Who taught you this?

You are correct! No one was rewarded at the mount of transfiguration.

I have some questions I wonder if you can answer.

Zech 12: 10-14, "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication"

Lol.....ask planet Roku when Zechariah 12

The Bible says the resurrection and judgment happened in A.D. 70. The Bible is absolutely clear about this. Any eschatological system that moves Jesus' second coming from that point is proven false by Scripture. I choose to believe what the Bible says and not what man teaches me. You guys are entitled to your opinions and I hope you can respect mine.

 

[Locutus]

The Bible says the resurrection and judgment happened in A.D. 70. The Bible is absolutely clear about this. Any eschatological system that moves Jesus' second coming from that point is proven false by Scripture. I choose to believe what the Bible says and not what man teaches me. You guys are entitled to your opinions and I hope you can respect mine.

It certainly does - Paul's statement in Acts when the Greek text is literally interpreted and not fudged by translators with a futurist bias points it out:

Acts 24:15 (Young's Literal Translation) having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, that there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous;

 

[FriendlyTalk]

It certainly does - Paul's statement in Acts when the Greek text is literally interpreted and not fudged by translators with a futurist bias points it out:

Acts 24:15 (Young's Literal Translation) having hope toward God, which they themselves also wait for, that there is about to be a rising again of the dead, both of righteous and unrighteous;

The translation you read are adding to scripture, and you use those words to fit your errors.

Acts 24:15

“And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.”

King James Version (KJV)

There will be a resurrection, alright!

 

[Locutus]

Acts 24:15

“And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.”

King James Version (KJV)

Fudged translation as I said - the Greek means "about to be", not shall be Shelby.

 

[cv5]

The Bible says the resurrection and judgment happened in A.D. 70. The Bible is absolutely clear about this. Any eschatological system that moves Jesus' second coming from that point is proven false by Scripture. I choose to believe what the Bible says and not what man teaches me. You guys are entitled to your opinions and I hope you can respect mine.

Sorry. Cannot respect promulgating error. You are so far off the mark that you are in dire peril my friend.

 

[Roku23]

You then have to declare John's Revelation book non canonical.....or fraudulent

I believe Revelation is inspired Scripture. If a person ignores the time statements of Revelation then they are going to wind up with incorrect interpretations in my opinion.

Rev 1: 1,3
Rev 22: 6,7,10,12,20

These are 7 time statements at the beginning and ending of the book. That the time was near for these things to be fulfilled. This happened with the destruction of Jerusalem. Near is not 2,000 years and counting.

The Roman Catholic Church is not Mystery Babylon. Jerusalem is.

Rev 18: 24, "And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth."

Luke 16: 16, "The law and the prophets were until John."

The Roman Catholic church was not around in the Old Testament to kill prophets.

Matt 23: 35-36, "that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation

Who was Jesus talking to in Matt 23? The Jews and Jerusalem. They were the ones who killed all the prophets.

Matt 23: 31-32, "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt."

And they did. And Jesus destroyed them at the second coming and called His people by another name.

 

[Dino246]

The translation you read are adding to scripture,

Regarding this portion, do you know enough Greek to be certain, or are you just comparing the YLT to the KJV?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Fudged translation as I said - the Greek means "about to be", not shall be Shelby.

No. The word you are referring to in Acts 24:15 ( "G3195 - mello / mullein ") can be translated "SURE to / CERTAIN to"....

[quoting from Bible Hub, under "HELPS Word-studies"] "3195 (méllō) is used "in general of what is sure to happen" (J. Thayer)."

[end quoting; bold mine]

 

[hornetguy]

Where is Angela when we need her?

 

[Dino246]

God tells us not to believe every Spirit, but to test them.

That's an interesting choice of quotation... and completely irrelevant. You aren't testing a "spirit" here; you're testing a perspective on Scripture and history. I guess you could ask Roku if Jesus Christ has come in the flesh... but I am certain that his response won't satisfy you.

 

[SIMON55]

Zech 12: 10-14, "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication"

See Pentecost - it's in the "book" that follows John's gospel.

Redirect yourself 2 chapter further and read 14

 

[Roku23]

No. The word you are referring to in Acts 24:15 ( "G3195 - mello / mullein ") can be translated "SURE to / CERTAIN to"....[quoting from Bible Hub, under "HELPS Word-studies"] "3195 (méllō) is used "in general of what is sure to happen" (J. Thayer)." [end quoting; bold mine]

Locutus is right. It means "about to be". It is in the present infinitive which always denotes imminence.

If you do a word study on the Greek word "mello" it is used 110 times in the New Testament. The majority of those cases you can tell from the context it means something very imminent. The other occurrences are always within a generation and usually within a very short period of time. Thayer is wrong and is biased by futurist eschatology.

Even if you don't agree, there are multiple Scriptures and passages throughout the Old and New Testaments that all point to 70 A.D. as the time of resurrection and judgment. This doesn't hang on one word. The evidence is overwhelming. If a person isn't biased and will accept what the Scriptures say they will see this. The main issue is that many people are not willing to receive it.

 

[Locutus]

No. The word you are referring to in Acts 24:15 ( "G3195 - mello / mullein ") can be translated "SURE to / CERTAIN to"....

[quoting from Bible Hub, under "HELPS Word-studies"-->] "3195 (méllō) is used "in general of what is sure to happen" (J. Thayer)."

[bold mine]

Strongs

G3195 mello mel'-lo

a strengthened form of G3199 (through the idea of expectation);

If we do a search for mellein in its Present Active form below you will note that they are imminent "acts" - see the red box to the right:

 

[tourist]

It says in the bible that Jesus will descend to the earth from the clouds and from the east to the west all eyes on earth will see him. The mountain that He sets His foot on is going to split in two. This hasn't happen yet so your OP is seriously flawed.

 

[tourist]

I apologize for the confusion and if it doesn't make sense to you. What I am saying is that Jesus promised to come back in His generation and He did in 70 A.D. He kept His promise. The kingdom of God was established when He returned with it in 70 A.D.

In Acts 1 Jesus ascends in a cloud from the apostles. Daniel 7 picks up the story:

Dan 7: 13-14, "
“I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed. "

Look at what Jesus says in the Olivet Discourse in Luke 21: 31-32 says, "So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place."

Jesus kept His promise and came back and established the kingdom with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. He doesn't need to come back anymore. If you have any questions please let me know.

When Jesus returns He will rule the earth for a 1000 years. We will be physically able to see and talk with Him. Obviously there has been no 1000 year reign of Christ yet. You left out the part about the battle of Armageddon too.