Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,401
113
And your character is easy, it’s like an
That's ok pal....at least I don't say people say something they did not say and then lie about it and refuse to be honest...all can read....just another dishonest one with no integrity.....good luck with that type of religion
 
K

KnowMe

Guest
Yea
That's ok pal....at least I don't say people say something they did not say and then lie about it and refuse to be honest...all can read....just another dishonest one with no integrity.....good luck with that type of religion
You might want to think about that hoss. no doubt I prick your nerves you have no self control you spit out words out of angry, I didn’t place you in the place your at, you ended up there all on your own. though I can smell a hot head a mile away.
 
K

KnowMe

Guest
Got any more of your religion?
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,401
113
Yea


You might want to think about that hoss. no doubt I prick your nerves you have no self control you spit out words out of angry, I didn’t place you in the place your at, you ended up there all on your own. though I can smell a hot head a mile away.
Again....shows how much you know pal...dishonest people are exactly that....and you keep proving it....Now....one last time for you to get right openly or be found false, dishonest and no integrity

Post where I said the GOLD AND SILVER BURNED.....or apologize for putting words into my mouth I did not say....

Simple.....!
 
K

KnowMe

Guest
Again....shows how much you know pal...dishonest people are exactly that....and you keep proving it....Now....one last time for you to get right openly or be found false, dishonest and no integrity

Post where I said the GOLD AND SILVER BURNED.....or apologize for putting words into my mouth I did not say....

Simple.....!
Hahhaa your too easy, you didn’t exactly say it burned but you did say it melted? is that your personal theory or did you get that from the Bible
 
K

KnowMe

Guest
If you was astute and studied you would know it did not burn down stone walls, it did melt the gold and silver which ran down into the stones and the ROMANS REMOVED EVERY STONE TO GET THE GOLD AND SILVER!!!
Lets see the gold and silver melted, huh really by what means did the silver and gold melt?

And ran down into the stones good lord boy, they weren’t mining for gold n silver hehe..
 

Josefnospam

Senior Member
May 29, 2014
324
55
28
According to the Bible, Jesus' second coming was in 70 A.D. Here is a few Scriptures in support of this:

Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Matt 24: 30-31, "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. " This is the Olivet Discourse and in verse 34 it says "ALL these things will come upon this generation" Not some things but ALL these signs will come upon this generation.

Matt 10: 23, "17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

I have many more Scriptures I can provide if anyone is interested in discussing this. God bless.
 

Josefnospam

Senior Member
May 29, 2014
324
55
28
The return of Christ will usher in the new heaven and new earth and is surley rhe hope of all his elected people when he returns all will know and hes coming to get us and bring judgemnet on the world for there sins Never the less we according to his promise look for new heavens and new earth wherein dwells righteouness to say hes not coming denies his promise where is your salvation is it not in the Lord when he returns
 
Mar 2, 2019
216
16
18
My cell phone is my Bible. I have biblegateway.com on my browser. Going there I can look up book and chapter. Then I can easily switch translations. I use KJV, NIV, ESV, and AMPC. I detest the CJB because I don't want to keep looking up the Jewish words. It is aimed at the Jews not the rest of us. Keep this in mind when posting scripture. I didn't bother to look up the words in the text you quoted. I'm not Jewish along with most of the people on this site. Why post with a translation with Jewish terminology?

What you ignore is when Jesus entered Jerusalem riding on a donkey the people rejoiced laying down palm branches on the road

Oh I do not ignore "when Jesus entered Jerusalem riding on a donkey the people rejoiced laying down palm branches on the road". What you said of me is not true.

We can do nothing against truth but for the truth.

John 6:v.24-26 & 28-36 & 41-43 & 49-57 & 60-63 & 66-71 KJV

24 When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus.

25 And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither?

26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled.


28 Then said they unto Him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto Him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?


31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is He which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto Him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.


41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.


49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this MAN give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of MAN, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last Day. (That is the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium)

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.


60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are life.


66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
 
A

AuntieAnt

Guest

TheDivineWatermark

Well-known member
Aug 3, 2018
10,887
2,112
113
Babylon, that great harlot is also referred to as "the great city" - Jerusalem is the Holy City

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/revelation/revelation-17/revelation-17-18.html
Right. And verse 1 had said,

"And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters"

...and verse 15 says,

"5 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." [not merely a singular "nation" where] ;)



[I can kinda see how this "fits" in with other things I've already mentioned...]
 
Mar 2, 2019
216
16
18
Right. And verse 1 had said,

"And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters"

...and verse 15 says,

"5 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." [not merely a singular "nation" where] ;)

The first ancient Beast did rise up out of the Sea. Sea = waters - Rev.13:1-10

The readers of Revelation know that the FIRST ancient Beast did rise up out of the Sea, he did rise up out of the waters, a Gentile Beast, i.e. he did rise up out from the middle of Gentile nations, precisely in Italy-Rome-Vatican City, whose Beast has 7 heads and 10 horns.

The 7 heads are: 7 mountains and also 7 kings, thus the 7 heads signify two things:

7 mountains and 7 kings are linked to the FIRST ancient Beast, right? (Check it in Rev.17:v.9-10).

Many students and theologians think that 7 heads of the Beast are the 7 hills of Vatican City, it is not correct, I explain the why:


Rev.13:3 reveals: "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed:" Now, now, can a hill be wounded deadly? Of course not, it is a nonsense. So, the 7 hills of the Vatican City is not a reference of Scripture.

In truth, the 7 heads are the 7 regions of the Earth: Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania, North America, South America and Central America; the Great Whore- the Roman Catholic Church - that rides upon the Beast, the Pope, is sat upon this seven regions. (BTW, the 7 hills of Vatican City are localized in Europe, precisely in Rome).

The head of the Beast which will be wounded deadly is the population of the region of South America, by the way, the population of this head of the Beast (South America) that will be wounded mortally are the populations of Brazil and Venezuela and it has already started.
 

Bingo

Well-known member
Feb 9, 2019
9,166
4,740
113
"One form of blasphemy that 'professed Christans' should resist...the blasphemy they
shall bring upon themselves, should they bring cause of a fellow believer
to stumble, feel inadequate or undeserving, through ones own thoughtless
exercise of their own freedom of thought."
( note: only a comment from this side of the 'glass' )

'Praise God'
 

Attachments

Avillianna

Junior Member
May 20, 2018
15
7
3
According to the Bible, Jesus' second coming was in 70 A.D. Here is a few Scriptures in support of this:

Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Matt 24: 30-31, "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. " This is the Olivet Discourse and in verse 34 it says "ALL these things will come upon this generation" Not some things but ALL these signs will come upon this generation.

Matt 10: 23, "17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues. You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you. “Now brother will deliver up brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

I have many more Scriptures I can provide if anyone is interested in discussing this. God bless.
 
O

obedienttogod

Guest
"Jesus is not coming back. He already did in 70 A.D."

this leads us to the question....how long is that chain Jesus put on the devil during our present millineal rule


Excellent Point!!

When he is loosed he will not be restrained and be free to meet all humans and do his best hocus pocus on them.

The Ancient Romans once, and did practice during the time of the Destruction of 70 A.D., used a 10 month Calendar.
That 10 month year calculated puts us rather close to 2,000 years from the Destruction till now. So, if we were on Roman time, and 70 A.D. represented the 2nd Coming, then we are well past the time when the Adversary should be free and loose to make himself known to all.

Oddly enough, with this issue concerning Fake News, they definitely would not be reporting the Adversary is free, roaming like a lion seeking whom he may devour!!
 

delirious

Junior Member
Mar 16, 2017
490
97
28
Excellent Point!!
When he is loosed he will not be restrained and be free to meet all humans and do his best hocus pocus on them.
The Ancient Romans once, and did practice during the time of the Destruction of 70 A.D., used a 10 month Calendar.
That 10 month year calculated puts us rather close to 2,000 years from the Destruction till now. So, if we were on Roman time, and 70 A.D. represented the 2nd Coming, then we are well past the time when the Adversary should be free and loose to make himself known to all.
Oddly enough, with this issue concerning Fake News, they definitely would not be reporting the Adversary is free, roaming like a lion seeking whom he may devour!!
Satan was destroyed in 70 A.D. along with all the fallen angels/watchers.

I know you will laugh yourself silly at that comment and that is okay. You don't understand it and it is a shock to you. Just like when I first discovered it.

You need to do a study on the divine council in Scripture. The nations in the Old Testament were influenced by the fallen angels who rebelled with Satan. You read in Daniel 10: 13 about the arch-angel Michael, assisting another angel, in fighting against "the prince of Persia" who is a fallen angel. This fallen angel was influencing Persia.

Through Abraham's Seed God was going to redeem mankind and bless the nations. His plan was to judge the divine beings who ruled these fallen Old Testament nations and bring them all back under Him through Christ.

A good place to start studying about the divine council is Psalm 82. God is speaking to fallen angels "sons of God" in this short Psalm. He is telling them to render justice and do good. Because they don't and have rebelled He will destroy them. When does this destruction happen? The Psalm tells you at the end. When God inherits all the nations. When does that happen? At the 7th trumpet in Rev 11: 15-19. The fall of Jerusalem.

When that trumpet sounded the old heavens and earth passed away. Satan and the watchers/fallen angels were destroyed along with old covenant Israel. The new heavens and earth began which is simply Christ's kingdom and His people, the church. We rule and reign with Him both in heaven and on earth right now. All of this took place in 70 A.D.

Christians keep looking for a physical kingdom and have been for 2,000 years. Christ told us His kingdom does not come with observation. It is within you. It is a spiritual kingdom.
 

iamsoandso

Senior Member
Oct 6, 2011
8,048
1,609
113
The problem with most eschatologies is failure to understand that John's revelation is about a city, "the great city" not a world wide prophecy.

That great city is Jerusalem of the 1st century AD - get this wrong, then your eschatology is wrong.

What about the parts where it speaks of the nations(gentile), or the nation the beast rises in,,are they important in Johns?(or Jesus?) Revelation too?
 

iamsoandso

Senior Member
Oct 6, 2011
8,048
1,609
113
Satan was destroyed in 70 A.D. along with all the fallen angels/watchers.

I know you will laugh yourself silly at that comment and that is okay. You don't understand it and it is a shock to you. Just like when I first discovered it.

You need to do a study on the divine council in Scripture. The nations in the Old Testament were influenced by the fallen angels who rebelled with Satan. You read in Daniel 10: 13 about the arch-angel Michael, assisting another angel, in fighting against "the prince of Persia" who is a fallen angel. This fallen angel was influencing Persia.

Through Abraham's Seed God was going to redeem mankind and bless the nations. His plan was to judge the divine beings who ruled these fallen Old Testament nations and bring them all back under Him through Christ.

A good place to start studying about the divine council is Psalm 82. God is speaking to fallen angels "sons of God" in this short Psalm. He is telling them to render justice and do good. Because they don't and have rebelled He will destroy them. When does this destruction happen? The Psalm tells you at the end. When God inherits all the nations. When does that happen? At the 7th trumpet in Rev 11: 15-19. The fall of Jerusalem.

When that trumpet sounded the old heavens and earth passed away. Satan and the watchers/fallen angels were destroyed along with old covenant Israel. The new heavens and earth began which is simply Christ's kingdom and His people, the church. We rule and reign with Him both in heaven and on earth right now. All of this took place in 70 A.D.

Christians keep looking for a physical kingdom and have been for 2,000 years. Christ told us His kingdom does not come with observation. It is within you. It is a spiritual kingdom.

So by destroyed in ad70 you mean he had already undergone being bound in chains for an millennial and he was cast into the lake of fire in ad70 where the beast and the false prophet are?
 
O

obedienttogod

Guest
Satan was destroyed in 70 A.D. along with all the fallen angels/watchers.

I know you will laugh yourself silly at that comment and that is okay. You don't understand it and it is a shock to you. Just like when I first discovered it.

You need to do a study on the divine council in Scripture. The nations in the Old Testament were influenced by the fallen angels who rebelled with Satan. You read in Daniel 10: 13 about the arch-angel Michael, assisting another angel, in fighting against "the prince of Persia" who is a fallen angel. This fallen angel was influencing Persia.

Through Abraham's Seed God was going to redeem mankind and bless the nations. His plan was to judge the divine beings who ruled these fallen Old Testament nations and bring them all back under Him through Christ.

A good place to start studying about the divine council is Psalm 82. God is speaking to fallen angels "sons of God" in this short Psalm. He is telling them to render justice and do good. Because they don't and have rebelled He will destroy them. When does this destruction happen? The Psalm tells you at the end. When God inherits all the nations. When does that happen? At the 7th trumpet in Rev 11: 15-19. The fall of Jerusalem.

When that trumpet sounded the old heavens and earth passed away. Satan and the watchers/fallen angels were destroyed along with old covenant Israel. The new heavens and earth began which is simply Christ's kingdom and His people, the church. We rule and reign with Him both in heaven and on earth right now. All of this took place in 70 A.D.

Christians keep looking for a physical kingdom and have been for 2,000 years. Christ told us His kingdom does not come with observation. It is within you. It is a spiritual kingdom.


You do know and understand that the Old Earth is literally going to disintegrate into literally nothing as in beyond even being particles of matter or energy. Then New Jerusalem will come down and we will walk together with God in person.

We can prove that the world we are in now, the planet Earth, is the same Earth that was here in 70 A.D. We can literally prove it's the same earth where Joseph created his pyramid to be a storage for the 7 years of plentiful corn.

Your theory is like putting gasoline into a plastic milk carton or styrofoam cup, and then watch it melt before your very eyes :(
 

delirious

Junior Member
Mar 16, 2017
490
97
28
So by destroyed in ad70 you mean he had already undergone being bound in chains for an millennial and he was cast into the lake of fire in ad70 where the beast and the false prophet are?
That is my understanding.

I hold the recapitulation view of Rev 20. That Rev 20 goes back in time and the millennium runs out around the time of the siege of Jerusalem. During the siege time, approximately, you have the little season of Satan from Rev 20: 7. Some of my reasoning for this timeline goes like this:

1. Isaiah 27: 1 we are told "in that Day" God will slay Leviathan which I take to be a reference to Satan. The phrase "in that Day" is used in Zechariah ch. 12-14 as well as Isaiah and many other Old Testament prophets and refers to the coming of the kingdom of God. Luke 21: 31 and many other passages tell us the kingdom of God comes at the fall of Jerusalem.

2. Isaiah 24: 21-23. "in that Day" the host on high will be punished. I take this to mean Satan and the fallen angels/watchers.

3. Romans 16: 20, "And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly." This was written right before the fall of Jerusalem. I see this verse also as an allusion by Paul back to Genesis 3: 15 and the final defeat of Satan.

4. The fact that Revelation says that Satan has only a short time when he is cast down and that the time markers at the beginning (Rev 1: 1,3) and end (Rev 22: 6,7,10,12,20) say the things in Revelation will come to pass shortly.