Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.
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Right. For safety.
No. God never lived in an ark. The ark represented SALVATION from God's judgment on humanity by a flood.
Please provide the specific verses that indicated that the ark was "lifted to heaven". What kind of Bible do you read?
Maybe your error is just a typo.
And what verse tells us this?
Everyone knows this His SECOND Advent. Which is when the "gathering"/rapture occurs. Matt 24:31 and 2 Thess 2:1.
The typology is salvation, not a contrived rapture.
No. God never lived in an ark. The ark represented SALVATION from God's judgment on humanity by a flood.
Please provide the specific verses that indicated that the ark was "lifted to heaven". What kind of Bible do you read?
Maybe your error is just a typo.
And what verse tells us this?
Everyone knows this His SECOND Advent. Which is when the "gathering"/rapture occurs. Matt 24:31 and 2 Thess 2:1.
The typology is salvation, not a contrived rapture.
I noticed and was going to ask her clarification as to her position regarding Jesus' divinity but, then I noticed that she'd been speedily disabled, along with Oseas3, from the privilege of reply so, I guess that's that. 
I see where you all pre-tribbers stand now.
You all think tribulation is the end of days (= the wrath of God.)
Jesus' words confirmed it wasn't:
The wrath of God comes to kill the evil, so why would anyone under it be saved? Logic dictates it isn't. it would mean God will punish those who preach, which is a stupid way of thinking.
You all think tribulation is the end of days (= the wrath of God.)
Jesus' words confirmed it wasn't:
Matthew 24:13 "But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved. "
Luke 21:12 "But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. "
The wrath of God comes to kill the evil, so why would anyone under it be saved? Logic dictates it isn't. it would mean God will punish those who preach, which is a stupid way of thinking.
Matthew 24:34
New International Version
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
New Living Translation
I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass from the scene until all these things take place.
English Standard Version
Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
Berean Study Bible
Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened.
Berean Literal Bible
Truly I say to you that this generation will not have passed away until all these things shall have taken place.
King James Bible
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
New King James Version
Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
New American Standard Bible
Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
NASB 1995
"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
NASB 1977
“Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
Amplified Bible
I assure you and most solemnly say to you, this generation [the people living when these signs and events begin] will not pass away until all these things take place.
Christian Standard Bible
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I assure you: This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place.
American Standard Version
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Amen, I say to you that this generation will not pass away until all these things happen.
Contemporary English Version
I can promise you that some of the people of this generation will still be alive when all this happens.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Amen I say to you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
English Revised Version
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.
Good News Translation
Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
"I can guarantee this truth: This generation will not disappear until all these things take place.
International Standard Version
I tell all of you with certainty, this generation won't disappear until these things happen.
Literal Standard Version
Truly I say to you, this generation may not pass away until all these may come to pass.
NET Bible
I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
New Heart English Bible
Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished.
Weymouth New Testament
I tell you in solemn truth that the present generation will certainly not pass away without all these things having first taken place.
World English Bible
Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished.
Young's Literal Translation
Verily I say to you, this generation may not pass away till all these may come to pass.
Mark 13
King James Version
13 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
New International Version
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
New Living Translation
I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass from the scene until all these things take place.
English Standard Version
Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
Berean Study Bible
Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened.
Berean Literal Bible
Truly I say to you that this generation will not have passed away until all these things shall have taken place.
King James Bible
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
New King James Version
Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
New American Standard Bible
Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
NASB 1995
"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
NASB 1977
“Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
Amplified Bible
I assure you and most solemnly say to you, this generation [the people living when these signs and events begin] will not pass away until all these things take place.
Christian Standard Bible
Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
I assure you: This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place.
American Standard Version
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Amen, I say to you that this generation will not pass away until all these things happen.
Contemporary English Version
I can promise you that some of the people of this generation will still be alive when all this happens.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Amen I say to you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
English Revised Version
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.
Good News Translation
Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
"I can guarantee this truth: This generation will not disappear until all these things take place.
International Standard Version
I tell all of you with certainty, this generation won't disappear until these things happen.
Literal Standard Version
Truly I say to you, this generation may not pass away until all these may come to pass.
NET Bible
I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
New Heart English Bible
Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished.
Weymouth New Testament
I tell you in solemn truth that the present generation will certainly not pass away without all these things having first taken place.
World English Bible
Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished.
Young's Literal Translation
Verily I say to you, this generation may not pass away till all these may come to pass.
Mark 13
King James Version
13 And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!
2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:
6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet.
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.
13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
All types and all figurative examples , as well as parables , can be , through reframing, used to promote error.
Noah is just a segment of history. An actual event.
However he figuratively represents a future gathering, with immediate family, and extended family left behind, and those gathered rising into the heavens, above the earth for a time frame, then returning to earth after judgement to start a new era.
The pretrib rapture is exactly that.
Noah is just a segment of history. An actual event.
However he figuratively represents a future gathering, with immediate family, and extended family left behind, and those gathered rising into the heavens, above the earth for a time frame, then returning to earth after judgement to start a new era.
The pretrib rapture is exactly that.
Question to postribs.
Jesus said this
Mat 24
""30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.""
Then in the same breath that "this generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled( the second coming on white horses in vs 30)"
Do you realize you are saying the 2nd coming had ALREADY HAPPENED?????
Jesus said this
Mat 24
""30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.""
Then in the same breath that "this generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled( the second coming on white horses in vs 30)"
Do you realize you are saying the 2nd coming had ALREADY HAPPENED?????
Consider:
[re: 1Th4:17 - 'caught up' - G726]
Strong's Greek: 726. ἁρπάζω (harpazó) — 14 Occurrences
[6 examples from that listing]
Matthew 13:19 V-PIA-3S
GRK: πονηρὸς καὶ ἁρπάζει τὸ ἐσπαρμένον
NAS: [one] comes and snatches away what
KJV: [one], and catcheth away that which
INT: evil one and snaches away that which was sown
John 10:12 V-PIA-3S
GRK: ὁ λύκος ἁρπάζει αὐτὰ καὶ
NAS: and the wolf snatches them and scatters
KJV: and the wolf catcheth them, and
INT: the wolf snatches them and
John 10:28 V-FIA-3S
GRK: καὶ οὐχ ἁρπάσει τις αὐτὰ
NAS: one will snatch them out of My hand.
KJV: shall any [man] pluck them out of
INT: and never will seize anyone them
John 10:29 V-PNA
GRK: οὐδεὶς δύναται ἁρπάζειν ἐκ τῆς
NAS: is able to snatch [them] out of the Father's
KJV: [man] is able to pluck [them] out of
INT: no one is able to seize out of the
Acts 8:39 V-AIA-3S
GRK: πνεῦμα Κυρίου ἥρπασεν τὸν Φίλιππον
NAS: of the Lord snatched Philip
KJV: of the Lord caught away Philip,
INT: [the] Spirit of [the] Lord carried away Philip
Jude 1:23 V-PPA-NMP [see also: https://biblehub.com/text/jude/1-23.htm ]
GRK: ἐκ πυρὸς ἁρπάζοντες οὓς δὲ
NAS: save others, snatching them out of the fire;
KJV: fear, pulling [them] out of
INT: out of fire snatching [them] others moreover
-- G726 - https://biblehub.com/greek/726.htm
[taken from that ^ link / BibleHub page... quoting...]
Strong's Concordance
harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Original Word: ἁρπάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: harpazó
Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo)
Definition: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Usage: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery.
HELPS Word-studies
726 harpázō – properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force (i.e. not covertly or secretly).
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from a prim. root harp-
Definition
to seize, catch up, snatch away
NASB Translation
carry off (1), caught (4), snatch (2), snatched...away (1), snatches (1), snatches away (1), snatching (1), take...away...by force (1), take...by force (2).
[end quoting from BibleHub (at LINK above)]
[re: 1Th4:17 - 'caught up' - G726]
Strong's Greek: 726. ἁρπάζω (harpazó) — 14 Occurrences
[6 examples from that listing]
Matthew 13:19 V-PIA-3S
GRK: πονηρὸς καὶ ἁρπάζει τὸ ἐσπαρμένον
NAS: [one] comes and snatches away what
KJV: [one], and catcheth away that which
INT: evil one and snaches away that which was sown
John 10:12 V-PIA-3S
GRK: ὁ λύκος ἁρπάζει αὐτὰ καὶ
NAS: and the wolf snatches them and scatters
KJV: and the wolf catcheth them, and
INT: the wolf snatches them and
John 10:28 V-FIA-3S
GRK: καὶ οὐχ ἁρπάσει τις αὐτὰ
NAS: one will snatch them out of My hand.
KJV: shall any [man] pluck them out of
INT: and never will seize anyone them
John 10:29 V-PNA
GRK: οὐδεὶς δύναται ἁρπάζειν ἐκ τῆς
NAS: is able to snatch [them] out of the Father's
KJV: [man] is able to pluck [them] out of
INT: no one is able to seize out of the
Acts 8:39 V-AIA-3S
GRK: πνεῦμα Κυρίου ἥρπασεν τὸν Φίλιππον
NAS: of the Lord snatched Philip
KJV: of the Lord caught away Philip,
INT: [the] Spirit of [the] Lord carried away Philip
Jude 1:23 V-PPA-NMP [see also: https://biblehub.com/text/jude/1-23.htm ]
GRK: ἐκ πυρὸς ἁρπάζοντες οὓς δὲ
NAS: save others, snatching them out of the fire;
KJV: fear, pulling [them] out of
INT: out of fire snatching [them] others moreover
-- G726 - https://biblehub.com/greek/726.htm
[taken from that ^ link / BibleHub page... quoting...]
Strong's Concordance
harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Original Word: ἁρπάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: harpazó
Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo)
Definition: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Usage: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery.
HELPS Word-studies
726 harpázō – properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force (i.e. not covertly or secretly).
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from a prim. root harp-
Definition
to seize, catch up, snatch away
NASB Translation
carry off (1), caught (4), snatch (2), snatched...away (1), snatches (1), snatches away (1), snatching (1), take...away...by force (1), take...by force (2).
[end quoting from BibleHub (at LINK above)]
I think this analogy by ewq is kinda redundant inasmuch as the word "ουτος" essentially means "the same". There is no way to distinguish between "This" and "That" in Koine Greek except through the context. (ex. man attacked a girl. The same man was imprisoned. I think "The same" here may technically be paraphrased as "That" rather than "This" because the actions in question are not in the immediate past though both work.)
In the case of Matthew 24:34, there is no "generation" to refer to in the immediate past, and therefore the use of "that" would not work, but you can determine that Jesus was addressing "a generation" that is not specific to any "years", and that applies to everybody-the generation that was in front of Him. Hence, "This" generation seems to be correct. (Ref. Mat 3:17)
As for the word "Generation" there, as you see in Luke 11:30-32, it doesn't have to mean a set of people living at the same time. As was stated most evidently by Jesus in Mat 24:34, we're practically all in the same generation that they were in--an evil generation.
In the case of Matthew 24:34, there is no "generation" to refer to in the immediate past, and therefore the use of "that" would not work, but you can determine that Jesus was addressing "a generation" that is not specific to any "years", and that applies to everybody-the generation that was in front of Him. Hence, "This" generation seems to be correct. (Ref. Mat 3:17)
As for the word "Generation" there, as you see in Luke 11:30-32, it doesn't have to mean a set of people living at the same time. As was stated most evidently by Jesus in Mat 24:34, we're practically all in the same generation that they were in--an evil generation.
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