Israel.

[HeIsHere]

Then you should read better your bible. Israel will exist till the end of the Millennium.

Israel is not a land mass, nor a select ethno-state . Israel is the body of believers in Christ.

 

[HeIsHere]

flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;

Yup!

 

[HeIsHere]

Yes, it would because it's specifically the number that's constantly emphasized. "6 million," in fact, you emphasized it several times in this and other threads. "6 million." So let's not pretend the number doesn't matter anymore.

I encourage you to watch the video and notice that they had claimed a "holocaust" and "a suffering of 6 million" multiple times across those years. I can only speculate that they repeated it so many times because it was a very effective fundraising strategy but with the number of times they claimed "6 million" were starving to death or dying over the years, there wouldn't have been any Jewish people to even suffer through Nazi Germany. It's math.

[By the way, the video also proves that "Palestine" was acknowledged as a real place in the 1900s before the current marketing push claiming there never was such a place.]



Some of you love to blame muslims for a lot of things. No, the Papacy is to blame for the transatlantic slave trade. Prompted by the Papal Bull: Dum Diversas, which says that anyone who is a "heretic" of the roman catholic faith forfeits their lives, children, and property. This authorized heads of state to begin their colonial push into lands that were not theirs, as they believed it was their moral duty to conquer and convert "in the name of Christ". This Papal Bull ("sugar") also prompted the inquisitions against the Jews and other non-catholics.



Both. It was the systematic dehumanization and death of a single people group perpetrated by multiple nations, not just one nation, and spanned hundreds of years, not just 8-12 years. They have been pushing to change the history books so that newer generations never learn about it. It's the same strategy they're attempting with the removal of "Palestine" from the history books.
https://www.aclu.org/podcast/the-movement-to-erase-black-history-culture-and-joy



I'm just going to let this quote echo for a bit.



So then it was specifically for the Jews' benefit? ...and what about the Haavara Agreement of 1933 between Zionists and Nazis, which occurred 8 years before "the final solution"?



The video was removed, claiming it was hate speech. Apparently, facts are hate speech.

The United States of AIPAC recently attempted to redefine antisemitism as criticism of the state of Israel.
https://adc.org/dangerous-bill/



To them? Yes, it would seem. But I'm all about the prophecies. The way prophecies work is that people have to experience what was prophesied to happen to them; otherwise, the prophecies are wrong or the people are wrong. We don't conform scripture to fit what we see happening. We measure/weigh what is happening against the words of scripture because the Word is the immutable truth. Come, let's reason together using your favorite passage on this topic, Romans 11:

- During their blindness/hardening, they're also supposed to be "diminished" WHILE the Gentiles are elevated and gain riches UNTIL the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled, correct? Are we still in the time of the Gentiles per your eschatological reckoning?

- They're also supposed to be spurred by jealousy or envy because of the Gentiles receiving salvation, correct? Have you heard of any sentiments where these modern folks are jealous of Christian Goyim for any reason?

- Their backs are supposed to be bent always (suggesting servitude or subservience) during the time of the Gentiles. Are these modern folks bent over in subservience to any nations, or are nations subservient to them?

She will never, ever see it, facts and evidence are not relevant, it is completely and totally emotional.

But I find the denial of a genocide especially disturbing.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Ask God why HE'S defending a pseudo Jewish people. If you dare watch the video, that's what's going on, unless you have blinders on.

Propaganda for gullible people

 

[Yahshua]

What's super absurd is the people on here questioning if the population in Israel deserve or have the right to claim it as their nation.

This is circular reasoning and a strawman. You're assuming as a fact that the population is what they claim to be when that is the question, not the question you posed.

Who has studied the lineage of any 'Jew' in Israel and why are they even arguing about their right there?

Because prophecy says no child of Israel is supposed to be there until the Messiah is here. Only He is the redeemer.

Only

He

Leads

Them

Home.

As current as 1948 when Israel got her status back, God was defending in a supernatural way Israel.

No, He wasn't. There was nothing supernatural about it. "Not by strength nor by might but by my Spirit, says the Lord of hosts." It's not going to be by military power, technology, or funding.

Many nations attacked tiny Israel after the Declaration and if anyone cares to be enlightened, watch the series 'Against All Odds'. It has first hand accounts of how GOD'S Almighty power defended Israel with outright miracles.

They weren't tiny by comparison. They had the most soldiers and the most war units when compared to the forces committed by the Arab nations. At no point were they outmatched thanks to Rothschild funding, the USA, and British military donations. Research the numbers rather than watching a movie production.

The Truth is that God is still for Israel, the people living there and their RIGHT to live there. Any argument otherwise is really an argument against God's will in lieu of their own thinking.

He's "so much for the modern state of Israel" that He keeps them in a constant state of war with no peace?

Ezekiel 35:6
Therefore as surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I will give you over to bloodshed and it will pursue you. Since you did not hate bloodshed, bloodshed will pursue you.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Then you should read better your bible. Israel will exist till the end of the Millennium.

Yes, the Israel of God will, but the Israel of man won't

 

[HeIsHere]

Propaganda for gullible people

Especially powerful when blasted from the pulpits across the nation(s).

 

[TabinRivCA]

This is circular reasoning and a strawman. You're assuming as a fact that the population is what they claim to be when that is the question, not the question you posed.



Because prophecy says no child of Israel is supposed to be there until the Messiah is here. Only He is the redeemer.

Only

He

Leads

Them

Home.



No, He wasn't. There was nothing supernatural about it. "Not by strength nor by might but by my Spirit, says the Lord of hosts." It's not going to be by military power, technology, or funding.



They weren't tiny by comparison. They had the most soldiers and the most war units when compared to the forces committed by the Arab nations. At no point were they outmatched thanks to Rothschild funding, the USA, and British military donations. Research the numbers rather than watching a movie production.



He's "so much for the modern state of Israel" that He keeps them in a constant state of war with no peace?

Ezekiel 35:6
Therefore as surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I will give you over to bloodshed and it will pursue you. Since you did not hate bloodshed, bloodshed will pursue you.

Yes, the Israel of God will, but the Israel of man won't

Like I said before, I don't have to defend Israel, God is still in control and apparently is still on her side and will fulfill prophecy no matter who says squat about it. How futile to argue about the validity of Israel and/or the Jews and others there. The documentary provides proof that God is protecting Israel aka current Israel so I'm with God and over with all the conjecture and hype here.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Yes, it would because it's specifically the number that's constantly emphasized. "6 million," in fact, you emphasized it several times in this and other threads. "6 million." So let's not pretend the number doesn't matter anymore.

Let's get serious here. They didn't pull that number out of a rabbit's hat. There are researchers, there is first hand testimony, and written records by the Nazi's themselves. So this number didn't just come from nowhere. It is well attested to with a literal ton of facts. I did not say the number doesn't matter!! I said if the number were less does that change how horrific the Holocaust was?

I encourage you to watch the video and notice that they had claimed a "holocaust" and "a suffering of 6 million" multiple times across those years. I can only speculate that they repeated it so many times because it was a very effective fundraising strategy but with the number of times they claimed "6 million" were starving to death or dying over the years, there wouldn't have been any Jewish people to even suffer through Nazi Germany. It's math.

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/...-does-not-confirm-there-was-no-holocaust.html

[By the way, the video also proves that "Palestine" was acknowledged as a real place in the 1900s before the current marketing push claiming there never was such a place.]

No one said there isn't a place called Palestine. But it was not a country or a state. There were no distinct Palestinian people, no ruler, no money. "Palestinians are Arabs.

"Upon crushing the Jewish Revolt of 132 CE the Romans exiled the majority of the Jews and renamed Israel “Syria-Palestina”. The idea was to erase the Jewish presence from Israel by exiling and renaming their homeland after their Biblical enemies."
Geographically Syria-Palestina stretched from Egypt to Turkey and from Israel to Jordan, it had a diverse demography but with the Jews exiled the majority population was Phoenician, Greek and Roman… not Arab.

1937 a Nablus born proto-Palestinian leader declared:

There is no such country as Palestine! ‘Palestine’ is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria.
– Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi


Will continue to answer you in the next post.

 

[Kroogz]

No curse, but the closest walk with God comes from agreeing with Him.

I think He makes it quite clear.

A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.
Romans 2:28-29

Good deal, no curses. What kind of blessings, Grace and mercy will I lose because I believe God has future plans for Israel?

 

[Kroogz]

How was a covenant made?

That is the obvious question.

The Church/Bride covenant is in serious doubt if Israel's covenant is in doubt.

God made the covenant, not man.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Good deal, no curses. What kind of blessings, Grace and mercy will I lose because I believe God has future plans for Israel?

If you believe and follow carnal interpretations of prophecy you will not be blessed.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The Church/Bride covenant is in serious doubt if Israel's covenant is in doubt.

What part of the old covenant wasn't fulfilled when Jesus said "It is finished"?

 

[Kroogz]

If you believe and follow carnal interpretations of prophecy you will not be blessed.

I have been blessed beyond belief. So what's up?

I love Israel, witness to all and have been shown great mercy and Grace.

 

[Kroogz]

What part of the old covenant wasn't fulfilled when Jesus said "It is finished"?

The national land promise.......See you will...Yoda.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I have been blessed beyond belief. So what's up?

What's up? You will remain ignorant of deeper truth

 

[Kroogz]

What part of the old covenant wasn't fulfilled when Jesus said "It is finished"?

One question.......Do you believe we can lose salvation? For any reason? Walk away, lose faith, jump out....?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The national land promise.......See you will...Yoda.

It says plainly in the OT that that was fulfilled. The kingdom under Solomon extended from the Nile River to the Euphrates River.

And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. Joshua 21:43-45​

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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

One question.......Do you believe we can lose salvation? For any reason? Walk away, lose faith, jump out....?

Of course you can lose it. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Deny Christ and he will deny you.

 

[Kroogz]

It says plainly in the OT that that was fulfilled. The kingdom under Solomon extended from the Nile River to the Euphrates River.

And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. Joshua 21:43-45​

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Amos 9:15
“I will also plant them on their land, And they will not be uprooted again from their land Which I have given them,” Says the LORD your God.

Zech 12:10
“And I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and of pleading, so that they will look at Me whom they pierced; and they will mourn for Him, like one mourning for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.