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No, I'm asking you because you made a claim that's not adding up. If you don't understand it enough to explain it then you're just repeating things you've read/heard. Left unchecked, that's a great way to spread falsehood, which I'd rather not see happen
 

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This discussion is getting rather absurd. Either there are Jewish people living today that meet the standard set by the Bible or there are not.

No one is debating if there are people claiming to meet this standard but the issue is simply this...are their claims true?

Jesus told His follower to not teach among the Samaritans and we all know why.

Why should anyone accept the claims of being Jewish from people who cannot even meet the level of the Samaritans?
 
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Right this is you and me and everyone else now

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48‬ ‭

“For the law was given by Moses,

but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬
“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-

“Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. ….But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:22-23, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The audience for the gospel is everyone
Thats correct!
But still Deuteronomy was for the nation of Israel.
 
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No, I'm asking you because you made a claim that's not adding up. If you don't understand it enough to explain it then you're just repeating things you've read/heard. Left unchecked, that's a great way to spread falsehood, which I'd rather not see happen
Our bible school teacher taught us not to come in dispute of echatologie questions.
If it would be so clear, then we had not so much different views.
I believe their is a way with the church of Christ, as well with the nation of Israel. We will be with the Lord Jesus as well Jesus will reign as King during the Millennium in Jerusalem. How this looks like in Details? I dont know.
Some believe Israel has no future. I do not believe this!
 

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This discussion is getting rather absurd. Either there are Jewish people living today that meet the standard set by the Bible or there are not.

No one is debating if there are people claiming to meet this standard but the issue is simply this...are their claims true?

Jesus told His follower to not teach among the Samaritans and we all know why.

Why should anyone accept the claims of being Jewish from people who cannot even meet the level of the Samaritans?
What's super absurd is the people on here questioning if the population in Israel deserve or have the right to claim it as their nation. Who has studied the lineage of any 'Jew' in Israel and why are they even arguing about their right there? As current as 1948 when Israel got her status back, God was defending in a supernatural way Israel. Many nations attacked tiny Israel after the Declaration and if anyone cares to be enlightened, watch the series 'Against All Odds'. It has first hand accounts of how GOD'S Almighty power defended Israel with outright miracles. The Truth is that God is still for Israel, the people living there and their RIGHT to live there. Any argument otherwise is really an argument against God's will in lieu of their own thinking.
 

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What's super absurd is the people on here questioning if the population in Israel deserve or have the right to claim it as their nation. Who has studied the lineage of any 'Jew' in Israel and why are they even arguing about their right there? As current as 1948 when Israel got her status back, God was defending in a supernatural way Israel. Many nations attacked tiny Israel after the Declaration and if anyone cares to be enlightened, watch the series 'Against All Odds'. It has first hand accounts of how GOD'S Almighty power defended Israel with outright miracles. The Truth is that God is still for Israel, the people living there and their RIGHT to live there. Any argument otherwise is really an argument against God's will in lieu of their own thinking.
Why not just address the question?
 
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What's super absurd is the people on here questioning if the population in Israel deserve or have the right to claim it as their nation. Who has studied the lineage of any 'Jew' in Israel and why are they even arguing about their right there? As current as 1948 when Israel got her status back, God was defending in a supernatural way Israel. Many nations attacked tiny Israel after the Declaration and if anyone cares to be enlightened, watch the series 'Against All Odds'. It has first hand accounts of how GOD'S Almighty power defended Israel with outright miracles. The Truth is that God is still for Israel, the people living there and their RIGHT to live there. Any argument otherwise is really an argument against God's will in lieu of their own thinking.
If God is for Israel why is he debasing his name by making them dependant on the US? They would cease to exist without US support.
 
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If God is for Israel why is he debasing his name by making them dependant on the US? They would cease to exist without US support.
Thats Gods work, not the US work. You should have this in mind. Look back the last 2000 years. If you doubt that God still love His choosen Nation - what to do?
He is and he will do what he had prophecied.
Believe it or not.
 
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Thats Gods work, not the US work. You should have this in mind. Look back the last 2000 years. If you doubt that God still love His choosen Nation - what to do?
He is and he will do what he had prophecied.
Believe it or not.
Read the bible. God has never worked like that. He continually warned Israel/Judah against and rebuked them for forming foreign military alliances.
 

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If God is for Israel why is he debasing his name by making them dependant on the US? They would cease to exist without US support.
What??? God can't defend Israel, only the US.....too funny. Israel will be standing after Armageddon and we're not sure if the US will exist then, which I hope they're wrong about.
 
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Israel will be standing after Armageddon and we're not sure if the US will exist then, which I hope they're wrong about.
Neither will exist. The only Israel that will stand is the one Christ brings with him at the resurrection. That is the kingdom that will last forever
 

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Today you cant expect from Isreal to live according W.W.J.D. This will come in Future.
If they would committing genocide, they would very bad in this.
Sadly, they had to defend theirselfes. And the world has more compassion to the Muslims then to the jews.
Look the Sudan, who cares that the Islam kills many thousands of Christians.
W.W.J.D. is the pseudo-standard for people who say they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. When judging a matter, believers should use the standard to determine if an act is righteous. Being lawful according to the world and righteous according to God are often separated by a wide chasm.
 

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This video does not support the claims of the people of modern Israel being Jewish to a Biblical standard.

Your argument is purely emotion.
Neither will exist. The only Israel that will stand is the one Christ brings with him at the resurrection. That is the kingdom that will last forever
Ask God why HE'S defending a pseudo Jewish people. If you dare watch the video, that's what's going on, unless you have blinders on.
 
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Read the bible. God has never worked like that. He continually warned Israel/Judah against and rebuked them for forming foreign military alliances.
You know how God works, fine.
I believe that God is holding his hand over Israel, till they finaly turn to Him and accept Jesus Christ as their Messajah.
 
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Yes, the number of the dead would change, of course. Less is less. The point is it wouldn't change the Holocaust. It wouldn't change the severity of what happened. It would not change anything except the number of bodies.
Yes, it would because it's specifically the number that's constantly emphasized. "6 million," in fact, you emphasized it several times in this and other threads. "6 million." So let's not pretend the number doesn't matter anymore.

I encourage you to watch the video and notice that they had claimed a "holocaust" and "a suffering of 6 million" multiple times across those years. I can only speculate that they repeated it so many times because it was a very effective fundraising strategy but with the number of times they claimed "6 million" were starving to death or dying over the years, there wouldn't have been any Jewish people to even suffer through Nazi Germany. It's math.

[By the way, the video also proves that "Palestine" was acknowledged as a real place in the 1900s before the current marketing push claiming there never was such a place.]

Yes, the Muslims are to blame for starting that, though you'll never hear that but of truth.
Some of you love to blame muslims for a lot of things. No, the Papacy is to blame for the transatlantic slave trade. Prompted by the Papal Bull: Dum Diversas, which says that anyone who is a "heretic" of the roman catholic faith forfeits their lives, children, and property. This authorized heads of state to begin their colonial push into lands that were not theirs, as they believed it was their moral duty to conquer and convert "in the name of Christ". This Papal Bull ("sugar") also prompted the inquisitions against the Jews and other non-catholics.

Are you saying 15-20 million dead or enslaved people? Either way, you said other people in society are told to move on, forget about it. This is certainly not the case with slavery, especially in America.
Both. It was the systematic dehumanization and death of a single people group perpetrated by multiple nations, not just one nation, and spanned hundreds of years, not just 8-12 years. They have been pushing to change the history books so that newer generations never learn about it. It's the same strategy they're attempting with the removal of "Palestine" from the history books.
https://www.aclu.org/podcast/the-movement-to-erase-black-history-culture-and-joy

It wasn't done so the VICTIMS could learn a lesson, it was done so the perpetrators would learn a lesson.
I'm just going to let this quote echo for a bit.

It was done to stop the Nazi sentiment, the antisemitism. They are not committing genocide now. If you're going to commit genocide, you don't tell your victims you're coming and where you will be, then give them time to leave. smh
So then it was specifically for the Jews' benefit? ...and what about the Haavara Agreement of 1933 between Zionists and Nazis, which occurred 8 years before "the final solution"?

The definition of antisemitism has never changed. And you can't put anything on Youtube. Someone is going to complain and get content taken down. I'm on there often and they are always changing words to make sure they don't get taken off the site.
The video was removed, claiming it was hate speech. Apparently, facts are hate speech.

The United States of AIPAC recently attempted to redefine antisemitism as criticism of the state of Israel.
https://adc.org/dangerous-bill/

All about the Benjamins huh?
To them? Yes, it would seem. But I'm all about the prophecies. The way prophecies work is that people have to experience what was prophesied to happen to them; otherwise, the prophecies are wrong or the people are wrong. We don't conform scripture to fit what we see happening. We measure/weigh what is happening against the words of scripture because the Word is the immutable truth. Come, let's reason together using your favorite passage on this topic, Romans 11:

- During their blindness/hardening, they're also supposed to be "diminished" WHILE the Gentiles are elevated and gain riches UNTIL the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled, correct? Are we still in the time of the Gentiles per your eschatological reckoning?

- They're also supposed to be spurred by jealousy or envy because of the Gentiles receiving salvation, correct? Have you heard of any sentiments where these modern folks are jealous of Christian Goyim for any reason?

- Their backs are supposed to be bent always (suggesting servitude or subservience) during the time of the Gentiles. Are these modern folks bent over in subservience to any nations, or are nations subservient to them?
 

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60,000 dead and counting.

Let's see: ~2000 casualties on October 7th ... Now 60,000+ dead as a response.

Does that sound like W.W.J.D.?

I wonder what kind of judgment people are bringing upon their own heads by declaring such a response is warranted. Imagine if that person steals a piece of candy worth $1.00 and the judge rules they must lose their hand. We have an example of that in the world: Islam.

The god created by the Roman church leaders and the god of Islam are at least cut from the same cloth: they both convince their followers to use "god" as the reason for the slaughter of millions.
Could be much higher, but it will take time to really have a number.

And this is not speculation but there is very strong evidence they employed the Hannibal directive and killed their own people on Oct. 7th.

The thing is there is no proportionality because they is no Palestine (dehumanize) and members of government have labelled them as animals (more dehumanization), sound familiar, this has been the plan for years.

To deny genocide, mass starvation, is beyond belief.