I am a Christian who does not accept or follow Christianity.

[The_Watchers_2017]

I do believe the Bible. But I do not believe what you are sharing with me.

if i told you my name was mike, i played basketball on a men's team, i use the men's restroom standing up, my children call me Dad...would You think i am a male/man without me ever saying i am a man but going by the proofs i presented?

how can you affirm that i am a man by those clues, when, I "never" said i was a man?

if you can affirm that i am a man by the facts stated about me, without me saying that i am a man, how come you won't take the Clues from the Disciples/Apostles, other Writers, of the New Testament, about Jesus?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

if i told you my name was mike, i played basketball on a men's team, i use the men's restroom standing up, my children call me Dad...would You think i am a male/man without me ever saying i am a man but going by the proofs i presented?

how can you affirm that i am a man by those clues, when, I "never" said i was a man?

if you can affirm that i am a man by the facts stated about me, without me saying that i am a man, how come you won't take the Clues from the Disciples/Apostles, other Writers, of the New Testament, about Jesus?

Do you mean Matthew through Revelation? I have read all of it many times and I believe in Jesus. Sorry if there is any confusion.

 

[iamsoandso]

When Jesus refers to the Father, He is not referring to Himself.

Who did he promise would come when he left and who is that?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Who did he promise would come when he left and who?

Jesus said He was going to leave and come back. Is that what you are asking?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I don't follow what you are saying to me here.

you always use John 17:5, but you never include 17:4.

Jesus job was to Glorify the Father on Earth.
He did
now, Jesus, wants to be back to His Glorified Self.


what i am saying, the Plan of God, was to send Jesus to Earth completely empty of being God, Jesus Glorifies the Father, and now Jesus wants to return back to His Glorified State.

He was/is God, emptied Himself and became Jesus, Glorified the Father, now wants to be His Glorified Self again.

and in Revelation, Jesus, as God, is sending His Angels, which only God, can Command Angels to do things.

 

[iamsoandso]

Jesus said He was going to leave and come back. Is that what you are asking?

No the comforter, the helper,,,who is the Holy Spirit? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14-16.htm

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

you always use John 17:5, but you never include 17:4.

Jesus job was to Glorify the Father on Earth.
He did
now, Jesus, wants to be back to His Glorified Self.


what i am saying, the Plan of God, was to send Jesus to Earth completely empty of being God, Jesus Glorifies the Father, and now Jesus wants to return back to His Glorified State.

He was/is God, emptied Himself and became Jesus, Glorified the Father, now wants to be His Glorified Self again.

and in Revelation, Jesus, as God, is sending His Angels, which only God, can Command Angels to do things.

John 17:4-5 NASB20 - "I glorified You on the earth by accomplishing the work which You have given Me to do. "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.

John 14:16 NASB20 - "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever;

John 16:23 NASB20 - "And on that day you will not question Me about anything. Truly, truly I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you.

Matthew 16:27 NASB20 - "For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.

Matthew 18:10 NASB20 - "See that you do not look down on one of these little ones; for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 24:31 NASB20 - "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET BLAST, and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Matthew 25:31 NASB20 - "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.

Matthew 26:53 NASB20 - "Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

No the comforter, the helper,,,who is the Holy Spirit? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14-16.htm

Cool. Thanks.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

John 17:4-5 NASB20 - "I glorified You on the earth by accomplishing the work which You have given Me to do. "And now You, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.

John 14:16 NASB20 - "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever;

John 16:23 NASB20 - "And on that day you will not question Me about anything. Truly, truly I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you.

Matthew 16:27 NASB20 - "For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.

Matthew 18:10 NASB20 - "See that you do not look down on one of these little ones; for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 24:31 NASB20 - "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET BLAST, and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Matthew 25:31 NASB20 - "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.

Matthew 26:53 NASB20 - "Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

hey Jacob, do you believe in this Verse:

15 He is the image of the invisible God

or this one:

3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

hey Jacob, do you believe in this Verse:

15 He is the image of the invisible God

or this one:

3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature

Yes. NASB.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Yes. NASB.

don't you think it's odd how the Bible describes the Father and Jesus as being exactly the Same Image?
like one side of the Mirror you see this Same Image invisible and flip the mirror and you see it in Physical form.

It's the exact down to specifics Very SAME IMAGE, but one side is Invisible and the other side Visible!.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

don't you think it's odd how the Bible describes the Father and Jesus as being exactly the Same Image?
like one side of the Mirror you see this Same Image invisible and flip the mirror and you see it in Physical form.

It's SAME IMAGE, but one side is Invisible and the other side Visible!.

It doesn't. So no I don't.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

It doesn't. So no I don't.

but it does say that.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Hebrews, shows us, Jesus, is the express image of the Father:

Hebrews 1:3 KJV: Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

but it does say that.

Your words are not the words of scripture.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Hebrews, shows us, Jesus, is the express image of the Father:

Hebrews 1:3 KJV: Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person

Yes.

Here is Hebrews 1.

Hebrews 1:1-14 KJV - God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

 

[selahsays]

If I may again enter into this conversation, @JacobMartinMertens, I’d like to add a few things regarding the Trinity and God’s love. Let’s look at John 3:16, to begin with:

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Please consider that it was God Himself who came to earth and became man and died on that Cross for you. Think about God’s immense love and grace and mercy! In Philippians ch. 2, it is written:

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. - Philippians 2:5-11 (KJV)

Jesus Christ is God, the second person of the Trinity, and He is called the Son of God.

Why did God Himself come down? . . .so that sinful man could be saved and have eternal life.

For God so loved the world. . .

 

[selahsays]

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

- Matthew 1:23

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

That is interesting and may be true but I am not sure and I am okay with that. I know that I am saved by Jesus my Lord.

I believe that Jesus is the Word of God.

Jacob, if you believe Jesus is the word of GOD you must also believe that he is GOD. As written in then scripture that you know;

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

John was a very close disciple to Jesus and knew him well, he understood these things as it was revealed to him, if you do not believe what we say at least believe scripture.

Follow the light, Blessings.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

My first birth came from my parents coming together and becoming one.That's only possible cause Adam and Eve,who came from Adams rib were one.
I'm literally,physically one from two people.

My second,spiritual birth came from Two Who are also one.Just as Adam and Eve were one.
The first was the Spirit of the Lord who came from Mount Sinai.He called me to repentance.
The second came from Jesus and his sacrifice on the cross.
Through the water,and the blood I'm one.
Both physically and spiritually.