I am a Christian who does not accept or follow Christianity.
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here is the striking difference between Your view and what generally the masses believe:
the Masses believe:
the whole Bible, from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 is ALL about Jesus, because, Jesus, is God!
and clearly, this is not your view.
that is the real difference here.
but let me share something with you:
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you
Jesus claims to have sent HIS [MY] ANGEL.
human beings in Heaven or on Earth, "do not" have Angels they can ORDER Around.
Only GOD, can ORDER Angels around.
Jesus, proves He is God, by having Angels and being able to send Angels to do His Will.
you cannot do this and neither can I, WE, are not God like Jesus is.
the Masses believe:
the whole Bible, from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21 is ALL about Jesus, because, Jesus, is God!
and clearly, this is not your view.
that is the real difference here.
but let me share something with you:
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you
Jesus claims to have sent HIS [MY] ANGEL.
human beings in Heaven or on Earth, "do not" have Angels they can ORDER Around.
Only GOD, can ORDER Angels around.
Jesus, proves He is God, by having Angels and being able to send Angels to do His Will.
you cannot do this and neither can I, WE, are not God like Jesus is.
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we know in Verse 4, Jesus' part of the Deal was to Glorify the Father on EARTH and Verse 5 shows Jesus asking to be Restored.
it's the RESTORED [what's He being Restored BACK to WHAT He was BEFORE], that matters.
It matters, because, Jesus [the WORD], was something POWERFUL before He came as Jesus and now He wants to go back to being WHO He was before.
This is how we know Jesus EMPTIED HIMSELF.
He wants to be Restored back to being COMPLETE Again.
That means He was God, Emptied Himself to be Jesus, then was RESTORED Back.
So, yes, Jesus, is God, by proxy of being the WORD, who Emptied Himself!
it's the RESTORED [what's He being Restored BACK to WHAT He was BEFORE], that matters.
It matters, because, Jesus [the WORD], was something POWERFUL before He came as Jesus and now He wants to go back to being WHO He was before.
This is how we know Jesus EMPTIED HIMSELF.
He wants to be Restored back to being COMPLETE Again.
That means He was God, Emptied Himself to be Jesus, then was RESTORED Back.
So, yes, Jesus, is God, by proxy of being the WORD, who Emptied Himself!
just out of my own curiosity, how can an Omnipresent, Omniscient, and Omnipotent God, be Changing Who God is [Father-Word made flesh-Holy Spirit] by whether God being in Spirit Form, or when God visits His Creation in the Physical Form, or while God is coexisting with those who are now Heirs in God [Holy Spirit lives inside of us]...being changing WHO God is, if it is Manifestations?
I believe in the Father-Word-Holy Spirit, but, from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22, each time the Throne Room of God is shown, it is ALWAYS ONE THRONE and ONE BEING representing God sitting on the Only Throne in the Throne Room of God. many things do not make sense when we know WHO GOD is and then see GOD in example. They do not always align up. But, we still KNOW for a FACT, GOD, is Father-WORD-Holy Spirit!
I believe in the Father-Word-Holy Spirit, but, from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22, each time the Throne Room of God is shown, it is ALWAYS ONE THRONE and ONE BEING representing God sitting on the Only Throne in the Throne Room of God. many things do not make sense when we know WHO GOD is and then see GOD in example. They do not always align up. But, we still KNOW for a FACT, GOD, is Father-WORD-Holy Spirit!
Each member of the Trinity is a seperate person with different functions -------
When Jesus says I and the Father are one --He is meaning that they both have -----
the same essence, the same power, the same nature, and have the same intentions.
God the Father ----
God the Father is the arche or principium ("beginning"), the "source" or "origin" of both the Son and the Holy Spirit, and is considered the eternal source of the Godhead. The Father is the one who eternally begets the Son, and the Father through the Son eternally breathes the Holy Spirit.
One God ---3 separate persons with different functions -------
God the Son ---Jesus is the Word -----the Word became Flesh -------
God the Father Spoke Words ------who is Jesus and the Word coming from the Father's mouth----- Created all things -------Jesus is the creator of all things -----and is now the mediator between man and God the Father ------No one come to the Father except through Jesus ------the Son
The Holy Spirit is a person and has many functions ------
Read more at >>> http://revtrev.com/live-light/70-functions-of-the-holy-spirit/
When Jesus says I and the Father are one --He is meaning that they both have -----
the same essence, the same power, the same nature, and have the same intentions.
God the Father ----
God the Father is the arche or principium ("beginning"), the "source" or "origin" of both the Son and the Holy Spirit, and is considered the eternal source of the Godhead. The Father is the one who eternally begets the Son, and the Father through the Son eternally breathes the Holy Spirit.
One God ---3 separate persons with different functions -------
God the Son ---Jesus is the Word -----the Word became Flesh -------
God the Father Spoke Words ------who is Jesus and the Word coming from the Father's mouth----- Created all things -------Jesus is the creator of all things -----and is now the mediator between man and God the Father ------No one come to the Father except through Jesus ------the Son
The Holy Spirit is a person and has many functions ------
- He leads and directs. (Matthew 4:1; Mark 1:12; Luke 2:27; 4:1; Acts 8:29; Romans 8:14)
- The Holy Spirit speaks – in, to and through. (Matthew 10:20; Acts 1:16; 2:4; 13:2; 28:25; Hebrews 3:7)
- He gives power to cast out devils. (Matthew 12:28)
- He releases power. (Luke 4:14)
- The Holy Spirit anoints. (Luke 4:18; Acts 10:38)
- The Holy Spirit “comes upon” or “falls on”. (Matthew 3:16; Mark 1:10; Luke 2:25; 3:22; 4:18; John 1:32,33; Acts 10:44; 11:15)
- He baptizes and fills. (Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 1:15,41,67; 3:16, 4:1; John 1:33; Acts 1:4-5; 2:4; 4:8,31; 6:3,5; 7:55; 10:47; 11:24; 13:9,52; 1 Corinthians 12:12)
- He gives new birth. (John 3:5,8)
- He leads into worship. (John 4:23)
- He flows like a river from the spirit man. (John 7:38-39)
- He ministers truth. (John 14:17; 15:26; 16:13)
- He dwells in people. (John 14:17; Romans 8:9,11; 1 Corinthians 3:16)
- The Holy Spirit gives comfort, health, and strength. (John 15:26; Acts 9:31)
- He proceeds from the Father. (John 15:26)
- He shows us things to come. (John 16:13)
- He gives the gift of tongues. (Acts 2:4)
- He releases prophecy, dreams and visions. (Acts 2:17,18; 11:28)
- He can transport people physically. (Acts 8:39)
- The Holy Spirit brings direction and guidance. (Mark 13:36; 13:11; Acts 10:19; 11:12; 21:11; 1 Timothy 4:1
- He is Holiness. (Romans 1:4)
- He is the Spirit of life and gives life. (Romans 8:1,10)
- The Holy Spirit invites us to walk with Him. (Romans 8:4-5)
- He groans, prays and intercedes. (Romans 8:26-27)
- He is a Sword. (Ephesians 6:17)
- The Holy Spirit produces fruit in our lives. (Galatians 5:22-23; Ephesians 5:9)
- He helps us in our weakness. (Romans 8:26)
- He bears witness. (Acts 5:32 15:28; 20:23; Romans 8:15-16; Hebrews 10:15; 1 John 4:13; 5:6-8)
- He is the Spirit of Adoption. (Romans 8:15)
- He gives power to mortify the deeds of the flesh. (Romans 8:13)
- He provides power for signs, wonders and preaching. (Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 2:4)
- He ministers love. (Romans 15:30)
- He searches the deep things of God. (1 Corinthians 2:10)
- He quickens the mortal body. (Romans 8:13)
- He brings revelation. (Luke 2:25; 1 COrinthians 2:10,12; Ephesians 1:17-19; 3:5)
- The Holy Spirit reveals to us what has been given by God. (1 Corinthians 2:12)
- He washes, sanctifies, purifies and justifies. (Romans 15;16, 1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Timothy 3:16; 1 Peter 1:2,22)
- He gives gifts. (1 Corinthians 12:4-11; Hebrews 2:4)
- He seals us. (2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 4:30)
- He is liberty. (2 Corinthians 3:17)
- He changes us into the image of Christ. (2 Corinthians 3:17)
- He is the promise of the blessing of Abraham. (Galatians 3:14)
- He releases a cry to the Father. (Galatians 4:6)
- He gives access to the Father. (Ephesians 2:18)
- The Holy Spirit builds us together for a house for God. (Ephesians 2:22)
- He strengthens us with might. (Ephesians 3:16)
- He is unity. (Ephesians 4:3-4)
- He is wine. (Ephesians 5:18)
- He supplies. (Philippians 1:19)
- He is fellowship. (2 Corinthians 13;14; Philippians 2:1)
- He is grace. (Hebrews 10:29)
- He is glory. (1 Peter 4:14)
- The Holy Spirit speaks to the churches. (Revelation 2:11,17,29; 3:6,13,22)
- He calls for the Bridegroom. (Revelation 22:17)
- The Holy Spirit has the power of conception and anointing for God’s purposes. (Matthew 1:18,20; Luke 1:35)
- He teaches. (Luke 12:12; John 14:26; 1 Corinthians 2:13; 1 John 2:27)
- He gives commandments. (Acts 1:2)
- He provides power to be a witness. (Acts 1:8)
- He provides boldness. (Acts 4:31)
- He give sight. (Acts 9:17)
- He commissions. (Acts 13:4)
- He restrains. (Acts 16:6)
- He appoints ministries and gives them authority. (Acts 20:28)
- He releases love. (Romans 5:5)
- He is righteousness, peace and joy. (Romans 14:17; 15:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:6)
- He confesses Christ’s Lordship. (1 Corinthians 12:3)
- The Holy Spirit brings the gospel. (1 Thessalonians 1:5-6)
- He is keeping power. (2 Timothy 1:14)
- He brings renewal. (Titus 3:5)
- He moves on believers. (2 Peter 1:21)
- He convicts the world. (John 16:8)
Read more at >>> http://revtrev.com/live-light/70-functions-of-the-holy-spirit/
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I myself as a Christian am not a trinitarian I would ask opportunity to explain - why ?
My intent is never to be disrespectful or harmful to Trinitarian believers but to express and show the evidence
the truth is, the Translations always translate the passages of the Bible to always say that Jesus is
" ON " - the right hand of God; but never, ever once is the Greek word - " ON " ἐπί - epi - used to describe Jesus
" ON " the right of God, this is never expressed in the manuscripts
but notice we see the definition of the Greek word { εν } - meaning - IN / in, this Greek word " εν - IN " is used a total of 2,720 total times in the New Testament. that's - two thousand, two hundred, and twenty total times.
this Greek word " εν " IN - is used a total of 2,720 total times in the manuscripts - and 47 total times in the translation the translators change this word to replace and change this word - into the word {( ON )} -
to replace the word " IN " with the word " ON " is something that is possible to do but very rarely because the true meaning and definition of the Greek word " - ἐν - En - mean literally in Greek - IN
you can replace the Greek word " IN " with the word " ON " - - for example the translation says
Mar 14:2 But they said, Not { ON } the feast day,
however, the Greek word here in " Mar 14:2 " is the Greek word " - ἐν - En - meaning literally in Greek - IN
and should more properly translate as - IN, - as the manuscripts say exactly
:2 But they said, Not { IN } the feast day, - not ON the feast day, the manuscripts say " IN the day of the feast "
because that the the matter was dealing with death and capture of Jesus wherein the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.
PRIESTS AND SCRIBES LITERALLY SAID :2 But they said, Not { IN } the feast day, they did not say UPON or ON the feast day - - they stated - - :2 Not { IN } the feast day,
My intent is never to be disrespectful or harmful to Trinitarian believers but to express and show the evidence
the truth is, the Translations always translate the passages of the Bible to always say that Jesus is
" ON " - the right hand of God; but never, ever once is the Greek word - " ON " ἐπί - epi - used to describe Jesus
" ON " the right of God, this is never expressed in the manuscripts
for example, we see the usage of this Greek word in - Mat 26:50- they laid hands " ON " ἐπί - epi - Jesus, and took him.
the Greek word here is - " ON " is - - ἐπί - epi -
the Greek word here is - " ON " is - - ἐπί - epi -
but notice we see the definition of the Greek word { εν } - meaning - IN / in, this Greek word " εν - IN " is used a total of 2,720 total times in the New Testament. that's - two thousand, two hundred, and twenty total times.
the Greek manuscripts declare that Yahashua is - IN / εν = EN
IN / εν = EN, - in the right of power
IN / εν = EN, - the right of the throne
IN / εν = EN, - the right of the Father
IN / εν = EN, - the right of God
Heb 12:2 Christ is set - ἐν - en - - in the right of the throne of God.
Heb 10:12 Jesus is forever sat down - ἐν - en - - in the right of God;
1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is - ἐν - en - - in the right of God;
Rom 8:34 Christ in - ἐν - en - - in the right of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Eph 1:20 Christ in - ἐν - en - - in his own right - ἐν - en - - in in the heavenly place.
Heb 8:1 Christ is set - ἐν - en - - in the right of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 1:3 sat down - ἐν - en - - in the right of the Majesty - ἐν - en - - in the high.
IN / εν = EN, - in the right of power
IN / εν = EN, - the right of the throne
IN / εν = EN, - the right of the Father
IN / εν = EN, - the right of God
Heb 12:2 Christ is set - ἐν - en - - in the right of the throne of God.
Heb 10:12 Jesus is forever sat down - ἐν - en - - in the right of God;
1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is - ἐν - en - - in the right of God;
Rom 8:34 Christ in - ἐν - en - - in the right of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Eph 1:20 Christ in - ἐν - en - - in his own right - ἐν - en - - in in the heavenly place.
Heb 8:1 Christ is set - ἐν - en - - in the right of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 1:3 sat down - ἐν - en - - in the right of the Majesty - ἐν - en - - in the high.
this Greek word " εν " IN - is used a total of 2,720 total times in the manuscripts - and 47 total times in the translation the translators change this word to replace and change this word - into the word {( ON )} -
to replace the word " IN " with the word " ON " is something that is possible to do but very rarely because the true meaning and definition of the Greek word " - ἐν - En - mean literally in Greek - IN
you can replace the Greek word " IN " with the word " ON " - - for example the translation says
Mar 14:2 But they said, Not { ON } the feast day,
however, the Greek word here in " Mar 14:2 " is the Greek word " - ἐν - En - meaning literally in Greek - IN
and should more properly translate as - IN, - as the manuscripts say exactly
:2 But they said, Not { IN } the feast day, - not ON the feast day, the manuscripts say " IN the day of the feast "
because that the the matter was dealing with death and capture of Jesus wherein the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.
PRIESTS AND SCRIBES LITERALLY SAID :2 But they said, Not { IN } the feast day, they did not say UPON or ON the feast day - - they stated - - :2 Not { IN } the feast day,
you can replace the Greek word " IN " with the word " ON " - however, this is not something that is done in very many examples because these two words have a completely different meaning. The Greek word " IN " means literally " INSIDE " inside of an idea or an object or location and this is where Jesus originates , it is - IN - God,
INSIDE God's Throne and Power and Spirit where Jesus originates
the priests and scribes here, they were not concerned or opposed to the capturing and killing of Jesus upon or " ON " the celebrated day of the feast, in their minds they felt that upon or on the feast day it would not be wrong to take care of their threat and problem - - on a holy day
but for reasons that that were immediate in their minds and feeling - they used the word " IN " - inside
saying they did not want to capture and kill Jesus " IN " - inside / during the the feast day.
it was not saying - they did not want to do this upon the day of the feast but it was in the feast day
to them, doing this would have no long term effect for their future to have done this ON / UPON the the feast day in a historical context - this was not their point.
but for the success and ability to make his capture and killing a success, they stated - not IN the feast day
this could be the difference between using the word " in / inside " - opposed to the word " on / upon "
we see also, the Greek manuscripts literally using the Greek word OUT FROM / EXITING " ἐξ - EX " when describing Yahashua exiting / departing out from and out God - the Greek word literally means " ἐξ - EX " =
OUT OF / FROM
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of God.
WHEN HE IS IN THE THRONE - HE HAS ENTERED - DWELLING IN THE RIGHT OF GOD - UNSEEN INVISIBLE RETURN BACK IN THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLY WHERE HE ORIGINATES AS AN ATRIBUTE OF GODS SPIRIT
and he is forever in the right of god - but can depart out of the right of god - to dwell out of the right of god.... in bodily form - visible and can exist both at the same time - in and out of the right of God, NEVER - NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE TIME - do we find Yahashua sitting ON or AT the right HAND of God. - NEVER EVER IN THE MANUSCRIPTS
INSIDE God's Throne and Power and Spirit where Jesus originates
the priests and scribes here, they were not concerned or opposed to the capturing and killing of Jesus upon or " ON " the celebrated day of the feast, in their minds they felt that upon or on the feast day it would not be wrong to take care of their threat and problem - - on a holy day
but for reasons that that were immediate in their minds and feeling - they used the word " IN " - inside
saying they did not want to capture and kill Jesus " IN " - inside / during the the feast day.
it was not saying - they did not want to do this upon the day of the feast but it was in the feast day
to them, doing this would have no long term effect for their future to have done this ON / UPON the the feast day in a historical context - this was not their point.
but for the success and ability to make his capture and killing a success, they stated - not IN the feast day
this could be the difference between using the word " in / inside " - opposed to the word " on / upon "
we see also, the Greek manuscripts literally using the Greek word OUT FROM / EXITING " ἐξ - EX " when describing Yahashua exiting / departing out from and out God - the Greek word literally means " ἐξ - EX " =
OUT OF / FROM
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of God.
Yahashua exists both IN and OUT OF the right of God - He originates and dwells inside " IN' " the spirit of God
Mat 26:64 Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of power, coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mar 14:62 ye shall see the Son of man sitting " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mar 12:36 The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right untill I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Mat 22:44 Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right until I make thine enemies thy footstool
Mat 22:44 Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right until I make thine enemies thy footstool
Luk 22:69 the Son of man sitting " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of the power of God.
Act 2:34 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right
Mar 16:19 and sat " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of God.
Luk 20:42 Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right
Act 2:25 for he is " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right
Mat 26:64 Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of power, coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mar 14:62 ye shall see the Son of man sitting " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mar 12:36 The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right untill I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Mat 22:44 Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right until I make thine enemies thy footstool
Mat 22:44 Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right until I make thine enemies thy footstool
Luk 22:69 the Son of man sitting " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of the power of God.
Act 2:34 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right
Mar 16:19 and sat " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " the right of God.
Luk 20:42 Sit thou " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right
Act 2:25 for he is " ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " my right
SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR JESUS TO BE IN AND OUT OF THE RIGHT OF GOD ?
when he appears in bodily form - he is always described as literally departing dwelling out outside of the right of god - externally - exterior - manifesting externally - the physical visible form of the invisible spirit
OUTSIDE OF GOD - appearing to man
when he appears in bodily form - he is always described as literally departing dwelling out outside of the right of god - externally - exterior - manifesting externally - the physical visible form of the invisible spirit
OUTSIDE OF GOD - appearing to man
WHEN HE IS IN THE THRONE - HE HAS ENTERED - DWELLING IN THE RIGHT OF GOD - UNSEEN INVISIBLE RETURN BACK IN THE SPIRIT OF THE HOLY WHERE HE ORIGINATES AS AN ATRIBUTE OF GODS SPIRIT
and he is forever in the right of god - but can depart out of the right of god - to dwell out of the right of god.... in bodily form - visible and can exist both at the same time - in and out of the right of God, NEVER - NOT EVEN ONE SINGLE TIME - do we find Yahashua sitting ON or AT the right HAND of God. - NEVER EVER IN THE MANUSCRIPTS
i promise you this is truth, the Greek manuscripts always express Yahashua as both
- ἐν - en - - IN -
and
" ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " God
the evidence is there in the manuscripts exact and precise - the Greek word " ON " is - ἐπί - epi -
is never once in the manuscript using the Greek word " ON " to express Yahashua on the right of God
ON - as ἐπί - epi
- ἐν - en - - IN -
and
" ἐξ - EX " = OUT OF " God
the evidence is there in the manuscripts exact and precise - the Greek word " ON " is - ἐπί - epi -
is never once in the manuscript using the Greek word " ON " to express Yahashua on the right of God
ON - as ἐπί - epi
