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● John 3:16 . . For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten
Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting
life.

The love in that passage is translated from a Greek verb that expresses
compassion for the world without particularly liking anybody. In other
words: that kind of love is civil and sympathetic but doesn't necessarily
express fondness or affection.

FAQ: God in His wrath condemns folks to the fiery netherworld while at the
same time feeling pity for them?

REPLY: God forbid that He be one to obstruct justice by letting His feelings
overrule and/or outweigh the facts. No doubt God would rather be kind than
cruel; but sometimes circumstances just won't permit.

Pop Clock Update: 3,311 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 193,961,691
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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Apple Computer co-founder Steve Jobs once said (in so many words) that
people don't know what they want till it's shown them. Steve may not've
been as proficient with electronics as his pal Woz, but I gotta say: Jobs was
one heck of a promoter.

People penned up in the wrong side of the netherworld may or may not be
fully aware of all they've lost. Many are doubtless aware of at least their loss
of creature comforts; but I'm not so sure they know about the bulk of their
loss because not even that many Christians are aware of all they've gained
by their unity with Christ.

● Isa 52:13 . . Behold, My servant will prosper; he will be high and lifted up,
and greatly exalted.

The Word's flesh came into the world with limited acclaim, but departed the
world highly honored by means of the Father making that man His heir
apparent.

● John 3:35 . . The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his
hands.

● Heb 1:1-2 . . In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the
prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has
spoken to us by His son, whom He appointed heir of all things

The benefit of this for those of us who at one time were alienated from God
and on a road to Hell is nigh unto impossible to believe.

Christ's believing followers have been adopted into God's family circle, thus
making them eligible for an inheritance.

● Rom 8:14-17 . . For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to
fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we
cry out: Abba! Father! The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that
we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow
heirs with Christ. (cf. Gal 4:4-7, Eph 1:4-5)

The Greek word translated "fellow heirs" actually means joint heirs; a.k.a.
heirs in common. Here's how that plays out:

A joint-heir is different than a regular heir. Regular heirs are apportioned an
individual percentage of their benefactor's estate. But joint-heirs inherit, not
a percentage, but the entire estate, as community property, i.e. whatever
the Father bequeathed Christ, that He also bequeathed everyone unified
with Christ.

For example: supposing a benefactor's estate totals 60 acres of land, 18
gold bars, a fleet of antique cars, plus a hedge fund worth 12 million US
Dollars; and he left it all to six heirs in common. In that situation; the heirs
are corporately one beneficiary instead of six; viz: all six inherit all the land,
all the gold, all the cars, and the entire fund as if each one were the only
heir.

The extent of the Father's estate is astonishing. It encompasses not only all
that is in Heaven, but also all in the entire universe, plus whatever pertains
to the new cosmos spoken of in Isa 66:17, 2Pet 3:13, and Rev 21:1; and I
don't know what else.

● John 16:15 . . All things that the Father has are mine

Point being: folks stuck in perdition are wretched paupers in the afterlife,
whereas those of us unified with Christ are wealthy and privileged beyond
imagination.

Pop Clock Update: 3,316 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 194,254,596
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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FAQ: The Bible says that a Christian's life on earth terminates the day they
come to faith in Christ; and from then on, God stops keeping a record of
their sins. (Rom 6:3-7, Col 3:3, and 2Cor 5:19). What about the afterlife?
What's to be done about the sins Christians commit there?

REPLY: They won't be committing any sins in the next life because of a
special circumcision performed by an act of God per Col 2:11.

** It must be very devastating when folks below find out too late about that
circumcision; and also when they find out too late about Jeremiah 31:31-34
and Ezekiel 36:24-27 which, according to the language, would've rendered
them easily righteous enough to associate with God permanently.

Pop Clock Update: 3,322 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 194,606,082
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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Jesus sacrificed his life for the whole world; not just part of the world,
rather; everybody who has ever lived, and everybody who will ever live,
down to the last born on Earth. That says quite a bit about how Jesus feels
about me.

He may not like me-- at all. In point of fact Jesus just may quite despise me,
and candidly declare that I am not the kind of people with whom he cares to
associate. Nevertheless, Jesus went to the cross for me too in spite of his
disgust for me as a person.

Now, as I said-- in so many words --Jesus may not be especially fond of me,
but there's no doubt in my mind that he at least cares for me. So I played
upon his Father's sympathies back in February of 1968 when I prayed a very
selfish prayer that went something like this:

"God; I know I'm a sinner. I would like to take advantage of your son's
death."

Seeing as how Jesus gave his life for the whole world, then God couldn't
very well refuse my request; now could He.

● Rom 5:6-8 . . Christ died for the impious. Very rarely will anyone die for a
righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die.
But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still
sinners, Christ died for us.

Pop Clock Update: 3,328 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 194,957,568
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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In the second chapter of the book of Daniel is told the story of
Nebuchadnezzar's dream. He demanded his wise men to tell him the
interpretation of the dream but withheld the dream's details; without which
they could not answer.

But God had observed the king's dream; and revealed its details, along with
its interpretation, to Daniel. Apparently God can hear our thoughts just as
audibly as we, and can view the scenes in our heads just as clearly too;
making it very difficult to retain some privacy in our own minds.

● Heb 4:13 . . Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight; everything
is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give
account.

Pop Clock Update: 3,333 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 195,250,473
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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Seeing as how God owns everything in existence, and answers to no one
how He goes about managing it all; then what He says goes because nobody
can stop Him from making and/or enforcing whatever rules He wishes
because God's free will trumps everybody else's free will.

Whether God's ways and means are loving, moral, just, and/or right and
wise doesn't matter. It's as futile to criticize lightning for being so bright,
and thunder for being so loud, as it is to find fault with God's rules because
no matter how much people complain about thunder and lightning; there is
nothing they can do to stop those forces of nature from going about their
business.

● Acts 4:24 . .They lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said:
Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all
that in them is.

The Greek word translated "Lord" in that passage is despotes (des-pot'-ace)
from which we get our English word despot; defined by Webster's as a ruler
with absolute power and authority.

Pop Clock Update: 3,339 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 195,560,959
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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[Philos]

Where in scripture does it say that as soon as one dies they are put in hell prior to judgement?

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Wow, this thread is a Decade old!

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Where in scripture does it say that as soon as one dies they are put in hell prior to judgement?

I'm not trying to disparage anyone from posting on this thread. I was just surprised to go back to the OP and see the date.

BTW Philos, it looks like you are a new member. Welcome ☕🙂📖
Hope you learn something that's a blessing here.

Upon reading your question, I was reminded of a verse that I believe applies. I just couldn't remember where in the Bible it was.
I opened the Bible up to the exact page and before I took time to so much as scan it, the Holy Spirit immediately brought my eyes to Hebrews 9:27. So we know the Lord is involved here, wants you to personally have the right answer and be that Blessing to you.

"27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

Let's think about it for a minute.
As it stands alone, it might not satisfy the answer you are looking for. The point is that there will be a judgement once death occurs. Death is the timer going off so to speak as I'm reminded by the illustration of my timer that the chicken and rice on the stove should be turned down to simmer as the flame was too high between the last sentence and this one. The timer on physical life occurs at death, so there's no way to extend it to get a second chance. God is kind enough and fair to give us all the information necessary for a desirable outcome after that buzzer rings.
For that to happen, "Today is the day of salvation."

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Part 2


Since we haven't spoken before, some of this may be a review that you are already aware of. Either way, this helps me to review what God's Word says on the topic too.

That death in part 1 is a physical one and we know that we aren't just physical beings, but spiritual. The adults have a spirit that must be given life because we start out spiritually dead.

Romans 6:23
" For the wages of sin is death...."

One last negative thing before the positive part is the following. Remember how judgement follows physical death?
This should shed light on the timing of judgement. Revelation 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

This appears to be a sample of all kinds of sins ranging from big to small. Murder is one. If someone committed murder, how many would they have to commit to be convicted of that crime? Likewise, how many lies would someone need to tell before being guilty of lying?

See, many people think as I did growing up, that you gotta be REALLY bad to go to hell. The fact is that sins that we all have committed are also on that list, ie lying.

According to the Bible, where do we deserve to go at death?
That's a sobering thought isn't it?
This is what is called the second death, that spiritual death of the soul and spirit.

This is an essential part of understanding that must be acknowledged to God before He will save you. Without seeing the need for salvation, we are left to the futile attempt of saving ourselves by trying to clean up our lives, by good works of sacraments, or by fooling ourselves that we always love our neighbors as ourselves and God with all our heart and strength. The fact is that we all fail miserably more than we'd want to admit.
God wants us to consider that although we blew it long ago with our failures, we need the Savior alone to save us.

The verse from part 1 in Romans 6:23 goes onto to say,

23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Just like the second death is eternal, the gift of God is what? Eternal life.
Notice that it's not earned by good works like sacraments or living a perfect sinless life since you were a child. What is it ? It's a gift.

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3

It was an expensive gift that we receive for free. Jesus paid for it by giving His own life.
That's how much God loves us. John 3:16
IF we were judged according to our works, then we'd all be in trouble, right?
Even though we probably sinned against Him every day in some way or another, He doesn't want to judge us, but rather forgive.
Those are the two options.....
A. Try to work our way to heaven and be judged according to our works and die in hell OR
B. Forgiveness apart from our works and in spite of those sins.

Does that make sense so far friend?

 

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For many of us working stiffs, the first day on a new job is stressful and
quite an adjustment. The night before that first day can cause enough
anxiety to keep us awake worrying about what we might expect.

I'd imagine that, whether we end up in the right place or the wrong place in
the afterlife, we will be just as stressed on our first day there as the first day
here on a new job.

The anxiety associated with death is to be expected seeing as how most of
us have no experience at all with that particular journey. But I think the
majority of my anxiety in regards to death is related to what comes after.
Pity there are no guide books available in print to prepare folks in advance
for the culture-shock tsunami with which both sides of the aisle are sure to
be slammed: a guide for Hell and one for Heaven.

Pop Clock Update: 3,344 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 195,894,864
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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Christianity is sometimes criticized as a license to steal because when people
come to faith in Christ, the file that God has been accumulating against
them gets demolished and from thence He does not begin compiling a new
file.

● 2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not
counting their trespasses against them

● Rom 4:8 . . Blessed is the man whose sin The Lord will never count against
him.

The Greek word translated "counting" means to take an inventory; i.e. an
indictment.

Christians have quite an advantage because when there are no books on
people, then there is nothing on record with which to accuse them, i.e. it's
as though they've never been anything but 100% innocent.

This may seem like cooking the books, but God has a way to do it on the up
and up without obstructing justice.

Pop Clock Update: 3,349 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 196,187,769
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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● Luke 16:26a . . Between us and you a great chasm has been fixed

The barrier between Abraham's side of the netherworld and the rich man's
is curious. The Greek word is located nowhere else in the entire New
Testament so we can't compare it's application in other situations.

Chasm isn't necessarily a crevasse like a gorge or a canyon. It can also
represent a marked division, separation, or difference; for example there is
a political chasm between China's communist party and China's regular
citizens.

A chasm then, can be likened to the contrast between good and evil, right
and wrong, wise and foolish, hate and love, the condemned and the
innocent, the one true God and the many tin Gods, the alive to God and the
dead to God.

Anyway, this barrier in Luke's story isn't so expansive that people cannot
recognize familiar faces on the opposite side nor hear their voice. And if it's
a literal gulf, then I think it's reasonable to assume people have been trying
to jump in to get away from the flames.

The Bible says that God desires all men to be saved and that He derives no
pleasure from their misfortunes. However, once folks are lost in the
netherworld, God's attitude towards them takes quite a turn. Folks in Hell
are dead to God, and apparently He wants them to be dead to us too; even
our loved ones and the BFF for whom we care the most, i.e. personal contact
with the other side for hugs and kisses is not allowed.

● Luke 16:26b . .Those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can
anyone cross over from there to us.

NOTE: Luke portrays only a small portion of the geography where Abraham
and the rich man conversed; suggesting that the two locations of the chasm
where the men stood are peninsulas or narrow cornices.

But I rather suspect that the rims of the chasm are straight and parallel like
the banks of a canal; plus extending sufficient distance in either direction to
accommodate hundreds, maybe even thousands, of friends and relatives
seeking to connect with their loved ones and BFF over on the other side.

Pop Clock Update: 3,355 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 196,539
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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[Chester]

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Pop Clock Update: 3,355 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 196,539
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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Wow! According to this post and these numbers, since last Saturday when you posted almost 196,000,000 must have somehow escaped Hades!

 

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Errata:

3,355 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post
#1 are within reason, then something like 196,539 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10, 2014.

196,539 was supposed to be 196,539,255
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I once heard a minister tell the story of a fictional busload of Hell's inmates
who were given a 30 day furlough for some R&R in Heaven. They all came
back the first night because God's world was such a bore.

There were no wild parties, no clothing-optional beaches, no bars, no night
clubs, no porn, no escort services, no pigging-out at buffets, no fights, no
profanity, no ribaldry, no free sex, no vulgar late-night comedy, no exotic
dancers, no X-rated movies, no junk food, no tobacco, no marijuana, no
meth, no ecstasy, no LSD, no hunting for sport, no fishing for sport, and no
casino gambling.

And the hellsters didn't particularly care for the isolation. None of the good
folk in Heaven wanted to associate with them: they were ostracized, they
were segregated, and they were quarantined.

Heaven is a pleasant utopia. It's etiquette, its dress code, and its rules of
conduct and civility; were way too constraining for the hellsters. Especially
suffocating is the mandatory self control everyone has to exercise in their
choice of words to avoid hurting people's feelings.

Take for example Wall Street barracudas. Do you really think they'd be
happy in Heaven? Or sweat shop operators? Or influence peddlers? Or
lobbyists? Or J walking pedestrians? Or LGBTQ? Or greedy capitalists? Or
unscrupulous social networking moguls? Or cheap politicians? Or
Communists? Or bookies? Or hoarders? Or black marketeers? Or militant
activists? Or Critical Race theorists? Or 1619 Project proponents? No. No.
No. You see many of the interests that concern Hell's people are
unacceptable in Heaven; and in point of fact, none of Heaven's people even
want to hear about that stuff. For them that scene is over and they don't
want it back.

You know what else is lacking in Heaven? Religious tolerance. There is only
one religion up there. What's that tell you? Well; it tells me that the
establishment clause of the US Constitution's first amendment doesn't fly in
Heaven. The theocratic monarchy in Heaven insists upon dictating
everyone's religious preference.

All in all: Heaven's utopian society, coupled with its 24/7 Big Brother
oversight, universal surveillance, and strict morality, was just simply too
much to ask in exchange for some time off. Heaven, to the hellsters, was
little more appealing than a get-away in one of North Korea's prison camps.

Pop Clock Update: 3,361 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 196,890,741
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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[Denise04]

No one is in hell at the moment. Hell is not burning currently. It burns AFTER the Millennium and the Last Great Day.

Incorrect the rich man went there

 

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If there is any good thing that can be said about the netherworld: it's the
great equalizer. Political bullies like Kim Jong-Un, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin,
Benito Mussolini, Xi Jinping, Fidel Castro, Mao Zedong, Idi Amin, Muammar
Gaddafi, Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot, and Saddam Hussein, et al are powerless
down below; they're just another face in the crowd.

● Isa 14:9-10 . . Sheol from beneath is excited over you to meet you when
you come. It arouses for you the spirits of the dead, all the leaders of the
earth. It raises all the kings of the nations from their thrones. They will all
respond and say to you: Even you have been made weak as we. You have
become like us.

Jesus once told a parable that advises folk it's wise to exercise kindness and
generosity on this side of life because people on the other side will doubtless
remember how you treated them here. The thing is: folks should expect to
be victims of a certain amount of cruelty on the wrong side of the
netherworld because down there what's the point in being civil? So it's wise
to build up a following of folk up here who owe you a favor so that when you
arrive down there, you'll have some friends instead of only foes looking to
get even.

Pop Clock Update: 3,368 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 197,300,808
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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Not everyone is going to be judged on the basis of hearing + believing the
gospel of Christ. There are untold millions who never heard, nor will ever
hear tell, of Jesus; let alone his crucifixion for the sins of the world.

However, the beauties and complexities of nature: on earth and out in the
void, speak loudly and clearly enough that the cosmos-- all its forms of life,
matter, and energy --is the result of intelligent design. And the human
conscience intuitively knows that there is going to be a reckoning. This is
what's known as the everlasting gospel (Rev 14:6-7) and it has been
preaching to men all over the globe from the very beginning. (Ps 19:1-6, &
Rom 1:18-20, & Rom 2:14-16)

According to Rom 10:18, nature itself is accounted as a gospel. This is pretty
cool because by nature's gospel, folks all over the globe-- those categorized
as barbaric, primitive, and uneducated --can qualify for God's good graces.

* Can you just imagine the indignation and outrage of an educated genius
doomed to the depths of Hell while an illiterate aboriginal with a bone in his
nose is carried aloft to the comforts of Heaven?

Pop Clock Update: 3,375 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 197,710,875
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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There's any number of ways the lost could be making their journey to the
netherworld. For example instead of being dragged underground by ghastly
beings such as those depicted in the movie 'GHOST", they may just fall down
into the ground like water through a sieve.

That's not a ridiculous idea seeing as deceased folk leave this world as
disembodied spirits. According to Luke 24:39 & John 4:24 spirit is
immaterial, i.e. it has no mass to speak of so its movement isn't impeded by
solid materials like metal and dirt, or wood and stone.

And spirit takes up no space. For example the feral man of Mark 5:1-13 was
possessed by a community of spirits who labeled themselves Legion, define
by Webster's as the principal unit of the Roman army comprising 3,000 to
6,000 foot soldiers with cavalry. The legion of spirits that left that man went
out and took up residence in a herd of about 2,000 swine.

That's a pretty good example of how spirits take up no room in the physical
world; nor do they crowd each other. All 3,000 to 6,000 of those spirits
managed to fit inside the bodily cargo area of just that one guy. Just
imagine the number of spirits that could fit into the passenger area of an
SUV.

NOTE: Those spirits slipped right out of that man. There was no need to cut
him open so they could evacuate.

Pop Clock Update: 3,380 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 198,003,780
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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