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● John 18:37-38 . . Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice. Pilate said
to him: What is truth?

Pilate's question was meaningful in his day because ancient philosophers
perpetually discussed and debated the nature of truth without ever achieving
a unanimous decision about it.

Well; one of Webster's definitions of "truth" is: a state of being the case; viz:
fact; which Webster's defines as the quality of being actual. In other words:
truth is the way it is; viz: truth is reality as opposed to speculation, fantasy,
opinion, error, inaccuracy, inexactness, theory, imagination, and false
impressions, etc.

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality.
Bohemian Rhapsody, QUEEN 1975

Pop Clock Update: 3,212 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 188,162,172
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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● Matt 8:11-12 . . I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and
west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the
kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into
outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

"children of the kingdom" is very likely Jacob's posterity; the Jews. Well; for
sure, not all of his people will be permitted citizenship in the kingdom
predicted in the Old Testament. According to Ezek 20:33-38 a number of
them will be culled from the herd and sent elsewhere.

Outer darkness is again spoken of in Matt 22:13 and Matt 25:30

It appears, from comparison of the available data, that "outer darkness" isn't
a location, rather, a state of mental anguish characterized by the deepest
possible feelings of grief associated with loss.

It's akin to the day that God announced to Moses' people they were going to
have to stay in that awful Sinai outback until they were dead. They missed
their opportunity to enter the land of milk and honey and there was no way
to regain it.

The people must've been pretty upset over that; no doubt they had all been
joyfully looking forward to a new life over there; and there was no use in
praying about it because God had made up His mind.

I've only experienced deep personal grief associated with irreversible loss
but one time; that was when my No.1 nephew passed away suddenly of
natural causes at the age of 51. I had held him in my arms upon returning
home from three years in the Army when he was only a couple of weeks old.

News of his passing has thus far been the only time in my 79 years that I
actually clenched my teeth, sobbing out of control, and choking, while
clinging to a handrail in the front room to keep from losing my balance and
falling to the floor. Matt 8:11-12 is likely speaking of a similar depth of
grief, or possibly worse.

Pop Clock Update: 3,218 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 188,513,658
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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The criminal records associated with the great white throne event depicted
at Rev 20:11-15 likely will be used to not only condemn people's actions,
but also to prove that the people themselves are not the caliber of folk with
whom God prefers to associate.

For example: God isn't comfortable with dishonesty. So if the records show
that someone is capable of deception, then they will be barred from heaven.

● Ps 15:1-3 . . Lord, who may dwell in your sanctuary? Who may live on
your holy hill? He who speaks the truth from his heart and has no slander on
his tongue, who does his neighbor no wrong and casts no slur on his
fellowman. He who does these things will never be shaken.

Pop Clock Update: 3,224 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 188,865,144
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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FAQ: What if I was born dishonest?

REPLY: You mean like Ps 58:3, which says:

"The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go astray
from birth."

Well; that's pretty serious.

● Rev 21:8 . . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.

FAQ: But I'm not a degenerate liar. I'm basically honest and lie only on
occasion.

REPLY: No, you are basically dishonest-- the meanwhile managing your
natural impulses; keeping their control over you to a minimum.

But let's face it: liars don't need a rule book, instead; they need a miracle to
liberate them from themselves so they don't end up on the wrong side of
things. In other words: they need an overhaul from top to bottom and inside
and out, i.e. a full and complete renovation to get rid of that lying streak
they were born with.

Pop Clock Update: 3,229 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 189,158,049
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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FAQ: What if Adam had eaten some fruit from the tree of life prior to trying
the forbidden fruit?

REPLY: The tree of life doesn't work like a vaccine, rather, it's a remedy;
portrayed in the Bible as a treatment for whatever ails you. (Rev 22:2)

In other words: under normal circumstances Adam had no use for the tree of
life at first because he was already in perfect health. Adam was created in
the image and likeness of God, i.e. he was immune to the aging process: an
advantage he lost by tampering with the forbidden fruit when he was
instructed not to.

● Gen 2:16-17 . . The Lord God commanded the man: You are free to eat
from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.

Well; Adam didn't pass away within 24 hours after eating the forbidden fruit.
In point of fact he continued to live 800 more years beyond the birth of his
son Seth. (Gen 5:4)

So the death that Adam underwent due to tasting the forbidden fruit began
with his loss of perfect health, i.e. Adam's body became infected with
mortality which, if left untreated, is 100% fatal. Mortality is a lingering death
that gradually broke Adam down to the point where his body could no longer
keep going.

The tree of life wouldn't prevent Adam from contracting mortality, but the
tree would've cured it and restored him to perpetual youth had he been
allowed access to it.

Pop Clock Update: 3,234 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 189,450,954
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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[JimmyTheLock]

Here we go again. Hell is not burning presently.

Sure it is!

Read what Jesus spoke of when telling us about the rich man and lazurus.

Even though death, hell, and the grace have yet to be cast in to the lake of fire... the rich man said he was burning so regardless, folk be burning there as we speak.

 

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FAQ: There are no human sacrifices specified in the covenant that Moses'
people entered into with God per the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers,
and Deuteronomy. Plus, according to Deut 4:2 and Deut 5:29-30 it is
prohibited to revise the covenant. Since Jesus was a Jew whose religion was
governed by that covenant; then how was it legal for him to die for the sins
of the world?

REPLY: The codified laws of God are not retroactive (Deut 5:2-4 & Gal 3:17)
This is extremely important because Jesus was designated, and scheduled,
to die on a cross prior to the voice of God creating even a single atom for
the current cosmos. (1Pet 1:18-21 & Rev 13:8) In other words: the cross
was anticipated.[font]

Pop Clock Update: 3,244 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 190,036,764
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
The update represents approx 57% of the USA's current population.
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Insensitive folk who come from the womb unable to feel compassion, are in
very grave danger of the sum of all fears.

● Matt 5:7 . . Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

● Jas 2:13 . . For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy.

NOTE: There are a number instructional web sites offering lists of helpful
do's and don'ts to assist sympathy-challenged people to at least respond
properly to others' misfortunes.[font]

Pop Clock Update: 3,250 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 190,388,250
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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God cautioned Cain.

● Gen 4:7 . . If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do
not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you,
but you must master it.

"to have you" indicates complete control over one's life so that Cain wouldn't
just be slipping into sin now and then, rather; sin would become his lifestyle
should he become independent enough to allow ignoring God to become a
habit.

FAQ: How was Cain supposed to know what's right seeing as how God had
not yet codified any of His laws?

REPLY: His brother Abel was a prophet. (Luke 11:50-51)

Pop Clock Update: 3,255 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 190,681,155
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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[oyster67]

Since Jesus was a Jew whose religion was
governed by that covenant; then how was it legal for him to die for the sins
of the world?

The precedent was set when God asked Abraham to sacrifice Issac. All sacrifices pointed to their ultimate fulfillment by Jesus. This was made known by many prophets of the OT. Another point of fact was that Jesus was no ordinary man. His was the pure, perfect, sinless Lamb of God. It was a unique event in all of time and eternity.

 

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● Rev 20:13 . . I saw the dead, and they were judged, every one of them

That verse says that "every one" of them were judged. Well; I don't know
precisely how many every one will eventually number, but let's say that it's
100,000.

If each of these 100,000 cases were to take an hour to complete, we'd be
looking at roughly 4,167 calendar days, i.e. 11½ years-- that's if the judging
by a solo judge goes around the clock 24/7/365.

According to Daniel 7:13-14, John 5:22-3, and Acts 17:31, Messiah has
been designated to preside at the event. However, there's reason to suggest
that he won't be handling every case himself.

● 1Cor 6:2-3 . . Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if
the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest
law courts? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? (cf. Matt 12:28)

Moses was assisted in his judicial duties by a select group of Jewish men.
Ex 18:17-26) It's possible that certain among Messiah's followers will be
recruited to serve as judges with him in the same manner, which will
expedite his case load considerably.

There's a few points related to that scene worth special mention.

1» According to Jude 1:14-15 the dead will be given a fair trial.

2» According to Matt 12:36, every word that the dead have spoken will be
used as evidence both against them and/or for them; not just their serious
words, but also their careless words.

3» The scene doesn't depict one future out of a variety of possible futures;
no, it depicts the actual future.[font]

Pop Clock Update: 3,261 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 191,032,641
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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● 1Kings 22:18-23 . . I saw the Lord God sitting on His throne, and all the
host of heaven standing by Him on His right and on His left. And Jehovah
said: Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said
this while another said that.

. . .Then a spirit came forward and stood before The Lord and said: I will
entice him. And The Lord said to him: How? And he said: I will go out and be
a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. Then He said: You are to
entice him and also prevail. Go and do so. Now therefore, behold, The Lord
has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and
Jehovah has proclaimed disaster against you.

Now that's scary. Can you just imagine the horror of being targeted like that
and not aware of it! (cf. 2Thess 2:8-12)[font]

Pop Clock Update: 3,265 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 191,266,965
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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Canadian folk singer Gordon Lightfoot released a sentimental song back in
1975 that speaks volumes about sympathy. Its lyrics are very touching.
Here's a few that I feel especially appropriate when talking about things like
sickness, death, and the hereafter.

Rainy day people always seem to know when it's time to call.
Rainy day people don't talk, they just listen till they've heard it all.
Rainy day lovers don't lie when they tell 'ya they've been down like you.
Rainy day people don't mind if you're cryin' a tear or two.

I sometimes wonder how much sympathy one can expect in the fiery
netherworld. I mean; sure they'll understand how we might feel about the
unfortunate circumstances in life that led us down there, but once you're
there, everyone's pretty much in the same boat and the others are all
longing for sympathy too.

In point of fact, I'd not be surprised if the competition for sympathy down
there is on the level of dog eat dog; and likely a fair number of sympathy
hoarders demanding total market share of it. I can just hear their feigned
indignity; like this:

"Oh, stop whining already! Don't be such a baby. I deserve a lot more pity
than you. I've been down here for two millennia and you've only been down
here for a decade. What've you got to cry about? You should be grateful that
your time down here is shorter than mine."

I'd imagine that after a few years in that place the only sympathy that
people can feel after a while is sympathy for themselves because nobody is
getting out down there; they're all lifers so it's not unlikely that the only
humanity that inmates pay forward in that place is misery.[font]

Pop Clock Update: 3,271 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 191,618,451
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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● 1Cor 1:26 . . Remember, dear brothers and sisters, that few of you were
wise in the world's eyes, or powerful, or wealthy when God called you.

Faith in Christ isn't an achievement like a Nobel prize in chemistry nor as if
one ran for public office or climbed a corporate ladder. None of us would be
an integral member of Christ's body were it not for God's incredible IQ and
His access to a remarkable variety of supernatural resources.

● 1Cor 1:30 . . God alone made it possible for you to be in Christ Jesus. For
our benefit God made Christ to be wisdom itself; he is the one who made us
acceptable to God. He made us pure and holy, and he gave himself to
purchase our freedom.

NOTE: If there's a Devil, then I think we can safely assume he's been doing
his best to make it impossible be in Christ; but God's free will trumps the
Devils' free will along with everybody else's free will.

Pop Clock Update: 3,277 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 191,969,937
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
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Education and/or a high IQ have their uses; but are insufficient when it
comes to spiritual matters. In point of fact, too many smarts can actually be
an impediment. Take for example Carl Sagan. Had his knowledge and his IQ
been a spiritual advantage, then Carl would've stood on the side of
intelligent design instead of opposing it.

It's tragic that Carl went to his grave with his curiosity and so many
scientific questions about the cosmos unanswered, and to top it off, a day is
coming when even Carl's pale blue dot will no longer be available for study.

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall
not be remembered, nor come into mind." (Isa 65:17)

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first
earth were passed away." (Rev 21:1)

Can you imagine how delighted Carl would've been to explore Heaven's
libraries where everything to know that can be known about the cosmos is
stored? But alas, Carl will never find out because he was at best an agnostic,
at worst an atheist.

Pop Clock Update: 3,282 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 192,262,842
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
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● 2Cor 5:11 . . Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;

The Greek word translated "knowing" means to know firsthand, viz: by
experience rather than by education and/or instruction.

In other words: there were incidents at various times in the lives of Paul and
his contemporaries when God frightened them, i.e. scared 'em out of their
wits.

Well; there's nothing like a good old fashioned close encounter of a third
kind to convince even the most resistant skeptics; and Paul's history attests
that his was a really stubborn case.

Of course if any of us were to claim we've experienced the terror of the Lord,
we'd be singled out as kooks and crackpots; but for some of us, fear is the
only persuasion that works.[font]

Pop Clock Update: 3,287 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 192,555,747
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
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Rev 16:17-18 predicts a global earthquake so powerful on the Richter scale
that cities all over the world will collapse at once.

Something like 2,829 lost their lives when the World Trade Center was
demolished by a terrorist attack in 2001. Well that was only a few acres of
New York City. Just imagine the body count when all of Manhattan comes
down at once. along with other major cities like Los Angeles, San Francisco,
Mexico City, Paris, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, et al. The carnage will be beyond
belief; and a great many of the dead will be infants and underage children.

The Bible says that we should consider not only God's benevolence, but also
His severity. We're dealing with a someone far more terrifying than even the
tyrants of North Korea, Communist China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and
the awful regimes in Africa.

NOTE: Abraham once asked God if He would destroy the righteous with the
wicked. The Lord didn't give Abaham a direct answer, but we know from other
passages that the answer is YES, as collateral damage.

Pop Clock Update: 3,293 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 192,907,233
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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[PaulThomson]

People down there know it's permanent;

Who told you that? Where does the Bible say it is permament. There are two greek words used in the NT you should familiarise yourself with if you want to critique scripture rather than religions or the assertions of people who claim to believe scripture: aiOnios and aidios. What do they mean? and which one is used of hades and hell?

 

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Years ago it wasn't unusual to be called a religious fanatic for believing the
Genesis account of the creation of Man. Well; recently somebody online
called me an ignorant bigot because I stand by the Bible's physical gender
designations and refuse to accept the new political designations, e.g.
transgender, non binary, gender orientation, and gender fluid, et al, et al.

Do they honestly believe that the One who intelligently designed the cosmos--
all of its forms of life, matter, and energy --won't have the last word on gender
identity?

● Ps 2:1-5 . . Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel
together, against The Lord, and against His anointed, saying: Let us break
their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in
the heavens shall laugh: The Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He
speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure.

Pop Clock Update: 3,298 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 193,200,138
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
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When God is ignored; He can be expected to reciprocate.

● Prv 1:24-33 . . I called you so often, but you didn't come. I reached out to
you, but you paid no attention. You ignored my advice and rejected the
correction I offered. So I will laugh when you are in trouble! I will mock you
when disaster overtakes you-- when calamity overcomes you like a storm,
when you are engulfed by trouble, and when anguish and distress
overwhelm you.

. . . I will not answer when they cry for help. Even though they anxiously
search for me, they will not find me. For they hated knowledge and chose
not to fear The Lord. They rejected my advice and paid no attention when I
corrected them. That is why they must eat the bitter fruit of living their own
way. They must experience the full terror of the path they have chosen. For
they are simpletons who turn away from me-- to death. They are fools, and
their own complacency will destroy them. But all who listen to me will live in
peace and safety, unafraid of harm.

Case in point is Mr. Esau.

"Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. For you know that even
afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he
found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears." (Heb
12:16-17)

The Greek word translated "repentance" basically means to change one's
mind; viz: to reconsider.

Esau was secular to the bone. But he "got religion" right quick when he saw
his way of life costing him the blessing; but alas, the poor slob was a day
late and a dollar short; so to speak.

Lesson to be learned: The time for people to be giving Hell some serious
thought is not when they get there, rather, before they get there.[font]

Pop Clock Update: 3,304 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 193,551,624
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since December 10,
2014.
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